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[–]classichondafan 5015 points5016 points 2 (102 children)

The people that need to be convinced of this are the same people not getting the vaccine.

[–]Rolloverbeethoven93 1205 points1206 points  (76 children)

I think the majority of the country actually wants universal healthcare though.

Among the public overall, 63% of U.S. adults say the government has the responsibility to provide health care coverage for all, up slightly from 59% last year. Roughly a third (37%) say this is not the responsibility of the federal government, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted July 27 to Aug. 2 among 11,001 adults.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/29/increasing-share-of-americans-favor-a-single-government-program-to-provide-health-care-coverage/

[–]Incognito_Tomato 510 points511 points  (0 children)

I think a problem with the universal healthcare debate is how it’s explained in schools. My seventh grade civics teacher explained it as “if President Trump needed a healthcare operation done and a homeless guy also needed an operation done, Trump would get the same treatment as the homeless guy”. Every one of us seventh graders all knew that if you don’t have money, you aren’t getting good healthcare. Therefore many of us interpreted it as “if we get universal healthcare, everyone gets shitty healthcare”.

[–]Haikuna__Matata 1001 points1002 points  (43 children)

I think the majority of the country actually wants universal healthcare though.

As long as it's not called "BlackGuyCare."

[–]MateoCafe 621 points622 points  (4 children)

That wasn't even universal healthcare though, but it was funny to see all the Rs that were fine with ACA but said Obamacare was the devil.

[–]ColtonThomas01 10 points11 points  (5 children)

“Trumpcare” might work?

[–]stringfree 73 points74 points  (2 children)

That might give everyone irony poisoning.

[–]blue-leeder 51 points52 points  (0 children)

The UK has universal healthcare and they love and defend the shit out of it. Yes it’s payed by taxpayers and ours can be too!!!!!!!

[–]FelneusLeviathan 128 points129 points  (3 children)

True but they don’t want it for “those people” though

Think I saw something that white or conservative support for welfare drastically dropped if they knew black people were also going to get it

[–]ReverentJudge 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Yeah, they’d suffer and love it if a minority is too. I grew up with a lot of people like this. It’s insane.

[–]blairnet 23 points24 points  (6 children)

You also need to understand that just because the majority of the country believes the govt has this responsibility, that does not imply that the majority of the country would trade their current healthcare plan for a government run one. So that’s kind of an odd poll question and you can’t infer too much from it

[–]VacuouslyUntrue 38 points39 points  (5 children)

You can still have your expensive plans with high deductibles and very little coverage in a system with single payer healthcare.

There is nothing to stop people from opting to pay via insurance rather than a govt scheme.

But why would anyone do that?

[–]blairnet 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Oh I get that and I agree, I’m just saying that poll doesn’t imply what OP is suggesting it does.

[–]VacuouslyUntrue 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Its a bit of a weird assumption to say that 63% of people are pro single payer healthcare but enough of them would want to keep their scammy policies to make the group that want single payer healthcare less than a majority.

The idea that anyone wants to pay for health insurance seems like an industry sponsored myth.

[–]blairnet 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Just because someone thinks the government should be responsible for something, doesn’t mean they think the govt would do it well, if that makes sense. Now what would have been supportive is if there was a follow up question in the poll saying “would you switch your current policy for a government offered policy if you had the choice”. These polling questions are all about nuance. There’s a link about this somewhere, I’ll se if I can find it.

[–]_________FU_________ 101 points102 points  (1 child)

The information given to children about the vaccine right now is crazy. My daughter who is 9 was told by a friend in school that the vaccine only lasts 2 months.

My nephew who is 13 asked if I was going to get it. I said "as soon as it's available" and he said, "I heard it makes your dick smaller but they aren't reporting it" I joked "I could go from 10 to 8 and still be happy"

Kids are getting some weird info about the vaccine and I think a lot of stupid parents and well targeted internet ads are the cause.

[–]Cactus-Jack313 189 points190 points  (4 children)

They’re also the same people who have to downplay solutions to every serious problem by calling it ‘free stuff’.

[–]MrGuttFeeling 63 points64 points  (3 children)

They're also racists.

[–]ScotchIsAss 43 points44 points  (2 children)

Let’s just call them what they are. Republican cunts.

[–]pabloescobarbecue 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Depressing that this is true.

[–]Fejsze 1175 points1176 points  (32 children)

This tripped me up so bad getting my drive-thru shot. No ID, no money, just healthcare. Fucking wild

[–]wubalubadubscrub 447 points448 points  (6 children)

I had to show my ID to show I had an appointment, I pulled out my insurance card too and they told me they didn’t need to see it, but the nurse who would administer the vaccine would. But then I got my shot and all, and it was only after I was on my way home that I realized he never asked for it hahs

[–]sweaty999 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Felt suspicious, right?!?

[–]theknightwho 23 points24 points  (2 children)

It’s like this in the NHS. It’s great.

Unless you’re ultra-rich you’ll end up paying less, too.

[–]SensitivePassenger 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's interesting they are doing it as a drive-thru there. Here it is just at your local health center at the time you book online, arrive 5minutes early at max. It is currently already open to 16-69-year olds in risk groups and next month will hopefully be for the general public. The 70+ group and healthcare workers from my understanding have already gotten theirs, with I think it was >80% of the 70+ group had at least their first dose, and about 100k has has both doses.

[–]dandesim 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don’t worry, they’ll bill you through the DMV using your license plate!

[–]hatfullofsoup 370 points371 points  (0 children)

Notice how everyone is encouraged to get the vaccine because we understand that when we protect the individual from harm it results in a healthier population and a more vibrant economy? Imagine if we did everything that way.

Universal healthcare doesn't just benefit the patient, it benefits everyone. The same goes for education, food, and shelter. A healthy, safe, educated population is crucial for a robust economy.

[–]HolyC4bbage 655 points656 points  (85 children)

It is like that in civilized countries.

[–]DisappointingOod 213 points214 points  (11 children)

When I got my first dose I felt like there had to be a mistake and they had just forgotten to collect my insurance/payment information. Part of me is still waiting for a phone call saying there's been some sort of mix-up.

[–]Fejsze 263 points264 points  (0 children)

So I'm an american, saw my dad go to the ICU when I was a teenager for a week and what the bill for that looked like.

Years later I'm backpacking through europe and I get an infection on my foot that turned pretty bad. My train pulls into Rome and just start wandering around asking for a hospital. Finally find one, limp my ass over, have the man in triage literally say 'mama mia' when he saw my foot (100% made the trip for me) and after a few hours and some injections in my ass they pointed me towards the door.

I must have spent 20 minutes trying to figure out where to pay. Wandering everywhere and someone finally asked me what I needed. I explained it and they looked at me like I'd grown a horn out of my skull "In Italia, no pay for hospital" and showed me the way out.

I still feel like I must have some Italian collection agency looking for my ass if I ever go back since I refuse to accept that it was that simple and straightforward.

[–]Iwoulddiefcftbatk 57 points58 points  (8 children)

I had to give them my insurance card before I got my first dose. I know it's supposed to be free, but I'm still paranoid that I'm going to be getting a bill in a month.

[–]dandesim 153 points154 points  (6 children)

The vaccine was free

But that will be:

  • 1 Needle $15
  • 1 Needle Cap $20
  • Sharps Disposal Fee $30
  • 1 Bandaid $25
  • 1 Greygoose Alcohol Swap $60
  • .25 Chair Sitting Fee $100/hr $25
  • 1 Online Registration Convenience Fee $100
  • Parking Fee $50

Total= $325 + $19.99 paper bill fee

Does not include tax or tip

But the vaccine was free

++ This was a joke, i thought the grey goose alcohol swab and fees would have indicated that. The entire vaccination is no cost, regardless of your insurance status or even immigration status. Some states or vaccination providers will bill your insurance but you should not receive any bill. If you do fight it! Healthcare is a universal human right!

[–]pepsiiboy 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Online Registration Convenience Fee got me

[–]spychipper 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I believe part of the COVID relief bill reimburses insurance companies for those expenses, the supplies at least, that is why you have to give them your information.

[–]nowtbettertodo 521 points522 points 3 (16 children)

God bless the nhs

[–]Dry-Designer3260 474 points475 points  (5 children)

Fucking socialist. Making sure people don’t die of curable illnesses. Or go bankrupt in the process of paying for it.

[–]nowtbettertodo 238 points239 points  (3 children)

I am indeed that twat. Im even prepared to see the pharmaceutical companies make a bit less profit. Bit of a lefty nutjob allround

[–]ex1stence 108 points109 points  (1 child)

What, you want those executives to only have two vacation homes in the Hamptons?

God people like you are just so selfish sometimes.

[–]West1234567890 24 points25 points  (0 children)

https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/psta8e/south-park-not-a-big-deal

Maybe you should try something civilized society calls empathy. I doubt you even thought about what your impact on the private plane industry would be.

[–]Monkey_shine1 46 points47 points  (3 children)

This. Just had my gallbladder out and 3 days in hospital (NHS). Not paid a penny. Can't imagine having to go through something like that and having a huge bill when you leave.

[–]IchthyoSapienCaul 244 points245 points  (8 children)

I pay $187 every two weeks for health insurance out of my paycheck. I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago for the first time in forever because of a problem with my ears. Got a bill afterwards for around $250. USA! USA! USA!

[–]BetterCombination 156 points157 points  (2 children)

5k per year to a private health insurance company whose job is to fuck you over as hard as possible vs 5k in taxes to the government who, while inefficient, is at least accountable, is an easy choice for me.

[–]IchthyoSapienCaul 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Same. I don’t know how such a no-brainer is so controversial in the US. It’s frustrating.

[–]dean15892 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Same ! I went for a routine annual physical, and was charged $500 for some tests my PCP recommended. Under my plan, the tests are supposed to be covered if your PCP prescribed them,but the hospital just “forgot to report” that and the insurance company charged me for it.

I spent 2 hours on customer service being pushed between various hospital departments (

“oh , you need to speak to billing, let me transfer you” ;

“oh,billing doesn’t handle this;let me transfer you to the doctors office line”;

“unfortunately we can’t issue payments, let me put you through to the payments department.”

“Yes, this is the right place,but for us to issue payments,you need to speak to the billing department. Let me transfer you”

I gave up; I just take care of my health myself now, because I can’t afford to get sick

[–]layze23 97 points98 points  (0 children)

I am fairly conservative on most topics, but I've come around to admitting that we need Universal Healthcare. There really isn't a good reason NOT to have it. My argument used to be economically motivated, but when you look at the numbers, even economically UHC makes sense. So now I have this strange dichotomy of embarrassmentment that I held a poorly constructed belief for so long, but proud that I was big enough to admit that I was wrong and switch sides.

[–]Solitary-Dolphin 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Reality for Western Europe. And much better health outcomes too. But AZ oh my

[–]Mountain_Ad_3922 38 points39 points  (3 children)

In Canada our health care is so free that we now have a Tylenol fairy that just runs around the streets throwing Tylenol in the air!

[–]BrownSugarBare 32 points33 points  (1 child)

NGL, as a Canadian reading the post I had a moment of confusion as to why anyone would even think they had to pay for it.

Then I remembered this is probably the first time in many Americans lives that they've received medical care at no cost. That blows my mind.

[–]pwhit181 43 points44 points  (1 child)

I’m currently in the ER with an irregular heart rhythm that’s causing issues and all I can think about is the Bill that gonna come. Even with health insurance

[–]BetterCombination 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Good luck and get well, nothing else matters.

[–]ufdup 74 points75 points  (6 children)

A little off topic but could we please stop calling it a vaccine "passport" and call it what it is a shot record. You know like what you have to have to enroll your kids in school. Damn, I'm 60 and still have one.

[–]MoonandStars83 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately, vaccination is no longer a requirement to be enrolled in school, since so many parents claim religious exemption, or are just plain antivax and cry discrimination.

[–]ufdup 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Maybe not in la la land but in the real world it is still required without a justifiable reason.

[–]extraextra99 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I’m glad every day that I live in the U.K. and get free healthcare

[–]MitchyMarnman 27 points28 points  (0 children)

As a Canadian it’s so hard to keep seeing posts like this. We have gaps in our system too, but people aren’t going bankrupt just to get healthcare. Our debates are around more coverage for prescriptions (which are way cheaper here), and adding coverage for dental, mental health, that kind of stuff. But if you need heart surgery? Free. Delivering a baby? Free. Vasectomy? Free. Hearing test? Free. MRI? Free.

We are rooting for you guys

[–]Scurrinho 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Imagine having to imagine that. God bless the NHS and all it's workers

[–]Stressmove 98 points99 points  (38 children)

Laughing in European.

[–]Mlgxxblubxx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

God save the queen

[–]davewtameloncamp 14 points15 points  (0 children)

But then poor people would survive? That doesn't sound right.

[–]chafalie 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Well, Canadian here, but I wish dental and vision were covered here as well.

[–]Peacefrogs3854 52 points53 points  (1 child)

reading the comments from americans as a european is depressing as fuck.

[–]Re_LE_Vant_UN 24 points25 points  (0 children)

They will do anything to justify paying more for less quality Care.

[–]sadoldtiger 57 points58 points  (9 children)

Don't need to imagine don't live in USA,

[–]Lhamo66 26 points27 points  (1 child)

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[–]shazamallamadingdong 31 points32 points  (3 children)

🇨🇦

[–]PonyKiller81 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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[–]lzcrc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

🇳🇱

[–]Death_By_Bug 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's a dream come true. If only the rest of our health care was the same...

[–]usernametaken11223 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Why healthcare is not free in US, I’m guessing US had lawmakers who grew up in poorer communities, those lawmakers never took the initiative to change that? Where are people’s taxes going ? I worked in 4 countries in EU and you could check what percent of your tax goes to healthcare.

We have free healthcare and it’s shit I recon,so most of the time we chose private hospitals example child birth, but free healthcare can mean the world if you loose your job for example.

In my country even basic dentistry is covered by free healthcare.

I know it’s not simple to change laws and all.

What I don’t understand is how the citizens of the richest country in history don’t want to opt for something that can clearly make their existence a whole lot easier and better?

[–]TKM421 15 points16 points  (1 child)

So Europe and the UK then?

[–]BrownSugarBare 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And Canada.

[–]Dajukz 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Imagine not being in the US

[–]ahnuconun 10 points11 points  (0 children)

ThAt'S sOcIaLIsT! YoU cOmMiE!

[–]10sharks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd settle for Drs and nurses that have the bedside manner these Army folks have.

[–]JoecifXL 7 points8 points  (5 children)

coughs in British

[–]Neat_Building_3729 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Noisily slurps tea in British

[–]thesoppywanker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You might want to get that looked at.

[–]Quiexi 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Hi from France where 100% of my meds/appointments/operations are free, can’t imagine how someone with a chronic illness could live in the US

[–]KalNymeri 9 points10 points  (0 children)

[laughs in Scandinavia]

[–]frickflyer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s just called Europe

[–]Thieurizinisaurus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry, is this some kind of American joke that I am too European to understand?

[–]DanfromCalgary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't it already ?

[–]sash71 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's just normal to me. I am so glad that I don't have to worry about money for healthcare. There's enough other things to pay for without that as well.

[–]mittlestheswole 3 points4 points  (0 children)

laughs in British

[–]dotajoe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not sure this is the best argument. Vaccine rollout was a freaking nightmare. Waking up at 6 am to check horrible websites that didn’t really work. I’m all for universal healthcare but the vaccine rollout was not pleasant for a ton of us.

[–]SalzyJ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Welcome to Canada eh

[–]ImReallySeriousMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't have to, I live in Denmark.

Sorry for you guys though.

[–]SimplyGrowTogether 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Let’s just disregard the fact the CEO of the companies kept millions of dollars worth of stock a few days before the price skyrocketed to a valuation of billions. The government is paying bad actors lots of money for the cure

[–]BitchnStitchn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They're making sure to bill our insurance company for every member of our family.

[–]JasonABCDEF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t have to imagine - I live in Canada - I can literally break several bones and go to the hospital and be fully taken care of for several weeks or days or even months and on my way out I just show them my government health card they scan it and I go home and there’s no bill no paperwork nothing.

[–]ToelessTom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ooohh cannnnnadaaaaaaa

[–]CasEATSass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not American so I can’t relate