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[–]cisco54 2537 points2538 points  (377 children)

I listened to a New York Times podcast where they interviewed a retired coal miner with black lung. The only thing keeping him alive was ObamaCare. They voted for Trump. When asked why when Obama was keeping him alive and if Trump cancelled the program he would surely die, they just felt it was the right thing to do.

Why do people vote against their self interest?

[–]robotsonroids 1682 points1683 points 22 (245 children)

Its racism

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

Lyndon B. Johnson

[–]FOUR3Y3DDRAGON 40 points41 points  (5 children)

This and LBJ’s call to his tailor to get new pants made that aren’t so tight on the testicals (down where ya nuts hang) are some of my favorite moments from his presidency.

https://youtu.be/nR_myjOr0OU

[–]waffelman1 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Voting against ones self interest is the core of American propaganda, racism is just one device used

[–]teetaps 201 points202 points  (32 children)

I gave this comment earlier today:

Because their morals prioritise values over outcomes.

Continuing traditional family values around sex > dangers of illegal abortions

Preserving In-Group homogeneity > suffering of those outside of your group

Supporting ones own team (read: nation) > addressing problems that affect the global community

Earning your keep and getting what you deserve for it (you reap what you sow) > addressing systemic privileges and oppression

They’re not dumb, their moral values are just slightly tuned differently and political leaders know exactly how to tap into those differences to cause them to continue voting for them, even if an objective measurement would prove their voting decisions to be outside of their interests

In this case, the likely moral evaluation is that of “fairness”. Believing that “government handouts” are a form of unfairness may convince them that, even though they benefit from it, their instance is unique and any form of socialised assistance is still an afront to an ethic called the “fairness-cheating” foundation.

People who value this ethic tend to be highly sensitive to the idea that “you reap what you sow.” Hence, any assistance from the government in a capitalist state is unethical, because capitalism by definition should provide you with as many opportunities as anyone would possibly need to be affluent enough to afford their own medicine — tHAT’S JuSt how cApItAlIsM WoRkS!

Source: I’m regurgitating moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt’s book The Righteous Mind

[–]blametheboogie 38 points39 points  (6 children)

If this fairness theory were true these types would be much more upset when rich people and giant corporations were found not to paying their share of taxes, getting government bailouts or cheating the system than they actually are.

They barely said anything when financial company executives got bailouts and bonuses instead of firings and jail time when the banks crashed the financial system in 2008.

[–]Gsteel11 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Trump "that makes me smart" for paying no taxes. And they loved it.

Fairness is the opposite of what they want. They want punishment and ceilings for the poor and minorities, even if they, themselves, are poor.

[–]Aggregate_Browser 188 points189 points  (18 children)

Stockholm syndrome.

[–]satansheat 240 points241 points  (15 children)

More so misinformation and poor education. There is a reason why the red states always underperform in education.

[–]bloop_405 37 points38 points  (6 children)

I don’t even think it’s misinformation or poor education. Lots of working professionals with higher education that still reject science and facts. It’s a cultural(?) thing, right wing people will always just believe what they want 😬😤

[–]prpldrank 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean, the human condition with all its variety is a little bit of a randomization engine. Sure, you'll have your educated but somehow ignorant people who believe this shit. But the data is clear. When you travel, become curious and aware, and educate yourself, you slot more and more into "progressive" thinking. The actually intelligent and educated among the unprogressive are there to rape and pillage. To be the royals amongst the peasants in Arkansas for example.

[–]st_rdt 123 points124 points  (4 children)

Because .... 'Murica

[–]WhatTHEll2u 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Fox tv

[–]worthyofahaiku 21 points22 points  (0 children)

stupidity

[–]evilspawn_usmc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Check out this book, I read it the first time a few years ago and it was pretty enlightening. The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt

[–]ChampagneFred1 3689 points3690 points  (365 children)

The same people crying over that 400k tax increase don’t even make close 50k a year. Bunch a dummies.

[–]sensual_baboon 1513 points1514 points  (263 children)

But ONE DAY

When those damn foreigners stop taking our jobs!

/s

[–]Oraxy51 940 points941 points  (232 children)

If they stopped and just realized “you are only 3 bad months from being homeless. You are never 3 really good months from being rich”.

Edit: lots of you mention “3 months? If my direct deposit doesn’t hit right away I’m rut roh and to that I say same.

[–]1000Airplanes 415 points416 points  (112 children)

I don't have the stats handy but I suspect that many Americans would be homeless within one month. Or next week.

[–]samanime 301 points302 points  (87 children)

Exactly. Many people are one moderate car accident from homelessness, never mind three months.

I also don't have the stats handy, but I read a while back that a study found most Americans don't even have the funds to handle an unexpected $400 expense.

[–]Yo_all_crybabies 17 points18 points  (5 children)

While most car registrations are 150-450 dollar expenses

[–]nevertoomuchthought 28 points29 points  (22 children)

Maybe not in every state/county but in the ones I've lived in you can usually squat for about 90 days without paying rent before someone can legally come and forcefully remove you from the premises.

[–]cute_but_lethal 59 points60 points  (19 children)

But then you can't get another place with the eviction on your record.

[–]communityneedle 112 points113 points  (7 children)

3 bad months away from being homeless? Look at Mr. Moneybags over here!

[–]Deraj2004 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Back to your dumpster Zoidberg.

[–]teetaps 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo!!

[–]EKcthulhu 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Three months from being homeless? Do I look rich to you?

[–]12altoids34 41 points42 points  (35 children)

I would be homeless were it not for family members. And its all because of the f'd up health care system in America. All it would take for me to return to being a working taxpaying member of society is one common albeit expensive ortopaedic surgery and access to regular medications.

[–]sash71 52 points53 points  (34 children)

It's amazing how well the lie that the NHS is useless has worked in America. I've seen so many stupid comments about 'death panels', ''you can't choose your doctor' and 'you will not get treatment quickly enough.'

Yes the NHS has problems but if and when you really need it, it's there for you. It saved my life, I was in the Head and Neck ward of my local large hospital in 1999 (in a private room on my own I'll add) and it didn't cost me a penny. Emergency surgery at 11pm on a Sunday night, no problem. Week long stay and all the medication, all free. The nurses even found me a TV to watch all week. It is a fantastic service.

I also had a baby and was in for 4 nights in 2007. All free as well.

I lied earlier about the cost of the stay on the Head and Neck ward. It did cost me something... the price of some nice flowers and boxes of chocolates for the extremely professional staff on the ward.

It's terrible that in America you can lose everything because you need medical help. The insurance premiums also are much higher than what we pay in taxes towards our NHS, as a percentage of wages. I've seen people paying 1500-2000 dollars per month just for insurance for their families. It's so expensive. I see so many stories on here of people in trouble over paying for healthcare. That alone should make politicians put a stop to the nonsense of it. Won't happen though.

Your surgery should be free. It's so wrong that the price is stopping you from having it.

[–]Divine-Nemesis 17 points18 points  (5 children)

So true. I’m in America, saved up money after years to see a dr, paid $75 down (non insured here) and then $300 for the appointment. The dr was a FUCKING ASSHOLE, didn’t even listen, gave me nothing, told me “follow up in two weeks but with with how poor I am, there’s no point in me calling”. I finally went to the Er and had immediate surgery because I had an abscess for three years that every dr just referred me elsewhere and kept my money. It was so infected and had started to get septic. I’m just now getting my speech back after a month and can walk without looking like I’m riding on a horse. The follow up to the surgery for a perennial abscess, the dr told me their offices don’t handle that when I came in and already paid to be seen for my perennial abscess. I’ve actually been diagnosed with PTSD with doctors by a shrink. ER’s here can’t turn you away but if you don’t have insurance, they can give you two bags of saline and then bill you $5000. Only reason I got the surgery was because it was septic because if they sent me home and I died, they would get in big trouble. Medical in the US has just turned to another corporation for the rich. They will treat the shit out of you here but won’t cure you. Cancer treatment is big money, why cure it? If you cure it, you don’t have repeat customers. So if you don’t have insurance, you can’t afford treatment therefore you don’t get medical. It’s Fucked!

[–]smurfasaur 10 points11 points  (13 children)

I want to know where these Americans have been to a hospital within the states and haven’t waited all day to be seen. Unless the problem is absolutely life threatening right this second. Need a specialist? You will be waiting anywhere from 3-6 months if you are a new patient.

Google is telling me the average hospital wait is anywhere from 40-103 min but that can’t be right I and no one I know have ever been seen anywhere close to that fast. It’s always multiple hours spent waiting. They are either straight up lying about that data or they are counting being seen as the second you turn your paperwork in or something similar.

[–]sash71 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Yes. The idea that everybody gets gold standard treatment within minutes of arriving at a hospital or clinic in America is just wrong as you said.

I was pleasantly surprised here in the UK on Monday just gone. My son had picked up a football injury and hurt his knee when he fell. The doctors surgery said I had to take him to the walk in clinic, at a hospital about 7/8 miles from where we live. I texted a couple of other parents to see if they'd taken their kids there and to see how long it would take. They were saying 4 hours.

We got there, the lady said it was busy and would be a 2 hour wait. So my son and I settled into our chairs, we'd fully charged our devices in anticipation of this. One hour later we were called. We saw the doctor and we were out of there. Excellent service.

I don't think it would have been any more quick anywhere else. I was impressed. The staff work hard too. They have to deal with people who can't wait 5 mins without moaning.

[–]H11281 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I’m from the US originally and I’ve been living in England for a couple years now. The NHS has been fantastic. Ive always been seen same day if I ring my GP for something. I gave birth here and both baby and I had complications. The treatment was prompt and I didn’t have to worry about how much our couple weeks in hospital was going to cost. Seriously so grateful for the NHS.

[–]OKRealtor 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Oh, I'm sorry they took away your tomato picking job and your wife's chicken plucking job. No one is taking your job away. :)

[–]JohnBrown42069 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Temporarily embarrassed millionaires

[–]ShadowEclipse777 6 points7 points  (0 children)

*billionaires

[–]bandito210 34 points35 points  (1 child)

The same people crying over that 400k tax increase don’t even make close 50k a year. Bunch a dummies temporarily embarrassed millionaires

[–]NightChime 107 points108 points  (6 children)

Same ones who, when they're finally up for a promotion at 60, turn down the pay increase because they think that tax brackets mean that they will earn less.

Spoiler: the dollars above the bracket are taxed higher, the ones below are not.

EDIT: but tbf, they might respond to the offer with "thanks but I'll stay in this bracket" to which boss replies "awesome".

[–]Guac_in_my_rarri 49 points50 points  (8 children)

I know multiple people who will not see over 80k in their lifetimes and they were bitching about it. Hell, one plans on retiring/moving back to crotia and living off her rental properties she inherited but plans on making 400k+ in 4 years... She currently works as an ops rep in my old company which makes 41k/year.

[–]akeating6388 20 points21 points  (0 children)

"If you've ever put back the $9.34 package of chicken breasts to take the $8.67 package instead, you don't need to worry about Biden's new taxes" -somewhere on the internet

[–]IGuessThisIsFine91 24 points25 points  (1 child)

People like that don’t understand tax brackets because shit has been handed to them.

[–]Guac_in_my_rarri 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're def not wrong. She refused to learn too which is even funnier. She's so prideful that she refused to learn.

[–]QZip 36 points37 points  (25 children)

My father makes about 150k a year and really doesn't understand wealth. He says that Bezos doesn't make much money because it's "fake" money. It's stock options. He has those. His aren't worth billions of dollars but those are fake money.

[–]Logical_Personality6 620 points621 points  (5 children)

We don’t take handouts we let ourselves be pick pocketed by our overlord idols. - GOP.

[–]Stlpitwash 523 points524 points  (31 children)

You are looking too deeply. Trump-ets got a minor break while he was in office. The increase were purposely designed to take effect after he left office. His followers will blame that on the current administration.

[–]FidgitForgotHisL-P 81 points82 points  (8 children)

I never got why more people didn’t make more noise about this. It was such a nakedly, brazenly obvious play. It’s like he knew he’d be out in 2020, through to 2028 when he swoop back in and claim to have ended the tax hikes, while now benefiting from the increased tax take. Well, him, but more likely the GOP.

[–]captain_wangle 206 points207 points  (71 children)

Here’s a question I’ve wanted to ask out US contingent for a while, what is it about socialism that scares so many people? Is it too close to communism for some people? I live in the UK and think our health service is bloody marvellous

[–]TheKillerSpork 197 points198 points  (5 children)

I don't know what to say other than this: scare tactics and propaganda work. Unfortunately.

[–]Rando436 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Yep. I have a couple of friends who are very smart and are on the right side of so many issues or are smart enough to just admit when they don't know what's right and they don't have an answer, bc that's perfectly fine and a lot of issues are very fucking tough.

But with this healthcare shit they'd somehow jump to the worst case bullshit. Like oh the waiting line would be so massive or the care would be lesser SOMEHOW and that somehow they'd be losing money compared to paying health insurance now since it'd come from taxes etc, which is straight up fucking stupid.
They never go to the hospital so there's no waiting line for them period and they're all very healthy so again, they have no reason to fuss.
And on top of that I tell them they can still pay for private insurance bc that is still a thing in other countries with universal healthcare...and somehow that's just not the answer either lol. It's fucking stupid and I don't get it, esp when these guys are great people and so smart with so many other goddamn issues in the country.
This one thing somehow makes them go retarded and they spout the usual nonsense you see from crazies on the internet or the news.

[–]cvanguard 141 points142 points  (3 children)

Decades of Cold War propaganda completely stripped “socialism” and “communism” of any meaning for most Americans. Now it’s basically shorthand for anything Republicans don’t like, reinforced by conservative media (Fox News and various tabloids for the past few decades) gleefully using the terms as part of smear campaigns against any and all Democrats.

[–]Dijiwolf1975 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think this is the best way to explain it.

[–]Dreadsin 36 points37 points  (12 children)

Ask anyone in America to give a succinct definition of socialism and you’ll understand

[–]katmandoo122 127 points128 points  (59 children)

Honest question. Is this true? I've not heard of it before. Tax breaks for the rich? Yes. Taxes on under $75k? Not seen that...anyone got a source from the Code?

[–]IsItSupposedToDoThat 123 points124 points  (25 children)

You’re not missing anything. People are fucking stupid. If you believe a single word that came out of Trump’s mouth, you’re at the very top of the stupid tree.

[–]Bad_Daddio 235 points236 points  (39 children)

Never underestimate the gullibility of conservative voters and their steadfast eagerness to vote against their own interests as long as their pundits and politicians will dog whistle to their fears and prejudices.

[–]Here2PostMyNudes 59 points60 points  (3 children)

They’re the definition of Eric Andre shooting Hannibal and then asking who killed Hannibal

[–]Moonagi 21 points22 points  (11 children)

Kind of ironic that you posted this since there is a post that said this tweet isn’t true according to snopes

[–]derekl1988 41 points42 points  (8 children)

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/05/facebook-posts/social-media-post-misleads-analysis-trump-tax-bill/

Mostly false according to politifact. Actually shows all brackets getting tax cuts until 2027.

It took me 8 seconds to google it. This incendiary Internet shit is the most annoying thing from both sides.

[–]notlikelyevil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Please everyone upvote this. I want trump to be bitten in the balls by a rabid jackrabbit, but spreading false info like this just discredits the left (I believed in when I read it)

[–]FoxyPuffball 17 points18 points  (0 children)

But that would mean that when they win the lottery or strike it big in a casino they will get taxes more! Poor them!

Sarcasm aside, this is how my family and ex-husband think. No wonder they think I'm a sell out for wanting to go to college and earn what I want instead of waiting for it to magically appear.

[–]paprikanna 5 points6 points  (3 children)

anybody in this thread making jokes about voting against your interests must be pro-singlepayer, otherwise they're just as bad as the people they're laughing at

[–]Tardysoap 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Lmao the third most upvoted comment, the removed one, exposes this as a lie. Kind of whack the mods removed it.

[–]u_talkin_to_me 21 points22 points  (4 children)

You're missing the fact that Americans are so propangadized that we're mostly a country full of idiots now. I don't see how we survive this tbh.

[–]Prestigious_Garden17 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Lol yep that was the plan. Republicans do it all the fucking time. Lock in Corp tax cuts and throw the poor a temporary bone. That make sure it runs out just around the time they may be out of office. If they did win another term there plan for higher taxes would be to gaslight and blame the Dems. How many more fucking times can they keep doing this?