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[–]penguinbazaar 4123 points4124 points  (422 children)

The British are the same over Brexit. "If you like Europe so much, why don't you go and live there?" Because you voted to take away my freedom of movement...

[–]OneFreamon 1145 points1146 points  (264 children)

Only half of us :(

[–]anunkneemouse 468 points469 points  (89 children)

Legit. Would love to go back and actually try to campaign for remain... Rather than just voting it

[–]late_stage_childhood 195 points196 points  (75 children)

You'd be fighting a leave campaign that went on for literally decades. It was an unwinnable fight.

[–]IICVX 261 points262 points  (45 children)

Yeah and part of the problem is that "remain" was a single thing - just stay here - but "leave" was a land of pure imagination, where anything you wanted could potentially happen!

There was no singular concrete "leave" plan that people were voting for, it was just the concept of "leave and ye shall be free" (somehow, and nonspecifically).

[–]ThatOneEnemy 88 points89 points  (34 children)

And it wasn’t clear AT ALL in the early stages what people actually were voting for, the politicians purposefully hid it...

[–]atyon 118 points119 points  (31 children)

I don't thinkt anyone really knew what the referendum was about. It really was like in that meme format:

  1. Leave EU
  2. ???
  3. Profit

Add to that that Cameron's plan in particular apparently was to "give the brexiteers a referendum that they'll lose to shut them up until I'm out of office".

They just yolod the referendum. And as we say in Germany, now we have the salad.

[–]Tomi000 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Like the time peter chose the mysterious Box instead of the boat, because 'there could be anything inside that box, even a boat!'

[–]ClemSpender 27 points28 points  (13 children)

You are so right. Laughably, the Daily Mail front page after the result hailed the ‘quiet people’ of Britain for making their voices heard. I’ve heard a lot of very loud voices in pubs and elsewhere droning on for years about the EU being terrible and how they let immigrants steal jobs from British nurses and how they regulate how bendy our bananas are (both those last points being untrue, and the first being a matter of opinion rather than a fact). What had I literally never heard? People extolling the virtues of the EU and saying how wonderful freedom of movement is and what a great thing it is to be united with our fellow Europeans after the devastation of two world wars and a cold war. I used to try engaging with the ‘quiet people’ of England (and I’m extremely non confrontational, so always tried to be polite and conciliatory about it), thinking engaging them in friendly discussion and countering fear mongering with facts would accomplish something. It didn’t. They always wanted to bellow their opinion at everybody in hearing distance and insist anybody who disagreed was taking away their freedom of speech. They are the Daily Mail’s idea of quiet people.

[–]puzzles_irl 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Problem is the benefits of being part of the EU have been treated as a given. Holidays in the Alps, parents retired in Spain, nights out in Amsterdam, festivals in Belgium, etc., we don’t connect freedom of movement with these. The same goes for industry creating jobs, workers rights, etc., we don’t connect these to EU regulations and the single market.

People genuinely seemed to believe these examples and more were just rights every British citizen has and will keep. Baffles the mind.

[–]investtherestpls 6 points7 points  (1 child)

To be fair, bar retiring to Spain none of the things you listed are freedom of movement, which is freedom of movement to work/study/live if you can afford to.

Going to Brussels or the Netherlands to visit for short periods will be fine.

People living in Spain voting for Brexit though, that’s bonkers.

[–]Lob-Star 5 points6 points  (2 children)

We have the same problem in America. Why is it that in order to save a freedom you have to fight for it every single time but one court can take away health care forever.

[–]DoctorBroly 5 points6 points  (5 children)

It wasn't unwinnable.

Everyone thought Remain would win. So a lot of people didn't went to vote or voted for Leave in protest.

And the difference was minimum. People taking it seriously would surely change the result

[–]seriously_this 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Agreed, my activism started after the ref apart from some arguments in the pub.

[–]das_bic 355 points356 points  (130 children)

That sounds exactly the same as over here. Half of us are idiots and the other half are probably idiots too but at least a little smarter than the other half.

[–]IICVX 157 points158 points  (53 children)

It's actually even worse for the British, because IIRC the Brexit referendum was non-binding. The government was not required to do anything about it.

They would have been totally justified in saying "Sorry, we need at least a 2/3rds majority before doing something this fucking stupid, try again later" - but they didn't.

[–]I_Like_Big_Budds 89 points90 points  (46 children)

Theresa May decided to trigger article 50 (starting the withdrawal process) and called a snap general election despite saying she wouldn't. Essentially holding the public to ransom (i.e. vote me back in to brexit or now you're double fucked).

She got voted in and the Tories took that to mean the public ratified the brexit vote. Only now the Tories have less power than before because people didn't like it. Put us in an even worse position.

Bare in mind, the previous Tory PM quit because he didn't like that we voted for leaving the EU. And a shit load of those votes were just protest votes against the establishment...

Make sense? Nah, thought not

[–]jimofwales 41 points42 points  (18 children)

I struggling to imagine a timeline where we’d handle it worse. Of all the parallel universes we’re stuck in the worst possible one for handling Brexit.

[–]bizarre_coincidence 16 points17 points  (16 children)

I hope those people making protest votes learned that votes have consequences, and you shouldn’t send a message if you aren’t prepared to live with those consequences.

[–]LittleBertha 18 points19 points  (10 children)

They didn't 100% didn't. Because they didn't know what they were voting for and still didn't in the 2019 GE.

My neighbour voted for Johnson in 2019 because she was "sick of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it done" and "doesn't like Corbyn".

She has zero understanding of the shit show Brexit is and will be, and when asked why she didn't like Corbyn - "sOcIaLiSm BaD"

[–]alcibaties 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Trump and brexit . We really do have a special relationship Us/UK

[–]imisstheyoop 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. :)

[–]ValHova22 38 points39 points  (3 children)

But we are the biggliest idiots there are and no one will tell us otherwise. Yaaaayyy People

[–]Wall_of_Denial 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I don't know about you, but I am so goddamn sick of "winning" at this point

[–]l0c0pez 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You don't feel '"Great again"?

[–]AtOurGates 12 points13 points  (6 children)

I like that, though I’d say that being a slightly smarter idiot is mostly being able to say, “IDK, so I’ll trust an expert in that area.”

[–]EnTyme53 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Half of us are idiots. The other half are still idiots, but we're idiots who listen to people smarter than us.

[–]matikray03 36 points37 points  (26 children)

The difference is, every non-American calls every American this stupid. I know America is rolling around in the shitter and I don’t think we are the best country in the world. America really does suck, but what sucks more is that I get grouped in with the idiots just because I live in the same country.

[–]fonix232 36 points37 points  (1 child)

While most of us non-Americans know that not all US citizens are idiots, the actual idiots are so loud and obnoxious that the smart ones are basically standing around in silence, not believing people can be this stupid... Like when you're standing outside at a party, and you can hear two idiots argue, and nothing else, you kinda assume that everyone inside is an idiot, even if 8 out of 10 people are just shaking their heads in disbelief.

[–]I_Like_Big_Budds 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Far less than half. A lot didn't vote. It's a fucking travesty

[–]ExiOfNot 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Actually, a good majority of the United States population tend to have the right of it, from what I've seen. The issue isn't a stupid population (though we do have a lot of misinformation thrown at us repeatedly). That's just cynical nonsense to get us pointing the fingers at one another.

The real issue isn't democracy, but rather our lack of democracy. From our nonsensical reliance on the antiquated "First Past the Post" voting system, to the anti-democratic Electoral College, to the rampant Gerrymandering, to mass voter disenfranchisement, to the fact that you can get a majority in the most powerful legislative body in the land with a minority of the American people's support (estimates show that by 2040, 70% of the US population will be represented by just 30% of Senators), it's clear our system is not properly reflecting the will of the people.

We may not always be dead on, but the United States would be leagues ahead of where it is now if the American People were more faithfully represented. Sure, there's plenty of people who've taken the bait and are using what little influence they have to dig their own graves in the name of preserving the wealth and power of the few, but, to the best of my knowledge, they're pretty decently outnumbered.

[–]Kill_racism 10 points11 points  (15 children)

Well, I'm pretty sure it's mainly just the idiot Trump supporters who are ruining our country. Not both sides.

[–]stuartgm 41 points42 points  (6 children)

Not even half - nearly a third of the electorate didn’t vote.

[–]Bisquick_in_da_MGM 30 points31 points  (3 children)

To quote a famous American “Elections have consequences.”

[–]vladtaltos 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I feel ya, that's how we got stuck with Trump as well, screw that other half.

[–]daregulater 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Can we take the asshole Americans and the asshole British and put them on their own lilly white asshole island somewhere so they don't have to deal with any foreigners, brown people, or anyone that doesn't think, look or act like them?? I guess a boy can only dream

[–]Coconutinthelime 19 points20 points  (3 children)

They tried that, it's called Australia.

[–]daregulater 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I thought they just threw all their criminals there. "Religious people we don't like fo to America, criminals go to Australia."

[–]JaegerDread 23 points24 points  (2 children)

And most of those people are dead already because of how old they were lmao

[–]You_got_it 11 points12 points  (1 child)

But at least hey died in the kind of Britain they were born in, so... good for them, I guess?

[–]SnooTangerines244 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No, probably died while Britain tried to negotiate a deal.

[–]BlueFroggLtd 19 points20 points  (20 children)

No deal coming. Brace yourselves...

[–]Amphibionomus 15 points16 points  (12 children)

I'm laughing my ass off at Bojo whining 'the EU doesn't want to make enough concessions' as we're heading for a no deal Brexit.

Well helloho! Who came up with the plan to leave the EU in the first place? Because the UK would be so much better off without the EU?

[–]miss_g 57 points58 points  (6 children)

We have the same thing happening in WA with people complaining that the hard border should be opened so they can leave WA to go see their families, with the general response being "no-one's stopping you from leaving" and they say but if I leave I can't get back in and then I won't have a job. Yeah and if we open the border and the economy has to shut down because we have an outbreak here then everyone won't have a job. Pricks.

[–]RadioGun 3 points4 points  (1 child)

WA = Wadiya?

[–]madams10148 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With its great leader Admiral-General Haffaz Aladeen !

I watched The Dictator this afternoon in preparation for the new Borat movie out on Friday :)

[–]LL112 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Ive moved to europe from uk to escape brexit. Can be done until 31st dec.

[–]Subby13 18 points19 points  (10 children)

It’s crazy that England saw America and was like, let’s also devolve into an idiocracy.

[–]Majestic-Marcus 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Brexit/Trump were pretty much concurrent.

I personally believe the Norse had the correct mythology and it's just been Loki's turn to steer the ship for the past 4 or 5 years.

[–]w_wise 1703 points1704 points  (212 children)

It's quite funny how we're so quick to use the "if you think this country is so much better, then why don't you move there" card when we also are trying to keep out immigrants from South America who are arguably doing just that.

[–]v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y 597 points598 points  (103 children)

What, are you expecting logical consistency from the same crowd that is "pro life" but against universal healthcare to give the moms/baby the best shot, against social programs/minimum wage to reduce childhood poverty and generally think 230K dying from COVID is no big deal?

[–]thebumm 232 points233 points  (32 children)

Some Americans really hate being told how bad our maternal mortality rate is. Pro life my asshole.

[–]HooDatGrl 99 points100 points  (17 children)

It’s almost like they don’t actually care about whether women live or die as long as they’re producing children.

Pro-life my asshole, indeed.

Edit to add: I had my second baby in September. Once I hit 2nd trimester I don’t worry about losing the baby so much as one of or both of us dying during child birth.

[–]starjellyboba 15 points16 points  (9 children)

I remember reading that this whole need for women to keep producing has roots in white supremacy. White supremacists are basically scared of being bred out of existence - either through losing some imaginary reproductive arms race (as in, the rest of us grow our populations and overthrow/oppress them) or through racial mixing (and as Russell Peters once said, everyone would just be beige). In order to preserve the status of whiteness, they figure they need to have more pure white babies (as well as able-bodied, heterosexual so they too can reproduce, etc). That's why the need for women to create new members became so urgent among the traditional crowd, but I guess that when that tangles with their inherent belief that some white people's lives are more important than others, it ends up pretty nonsensical. "Help us grow our populations and save ourselves, but also, we don't care about the lives of lesser white people" (mostly meaning women, the poor, and probably the disabled in this case).

[–]k8_ninety-eight 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Hmm. This actually makes a ton of sense. A lot of my family is “pro-life” and super racist so it wouldn’t surprise me if this were true. They had a cow when me and my brothers were born, because we’re all mixed. They literally told us we “tainted” the bloodline.

[–]starjellyboba 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Damn, I'm sorry... That is so messed up. Judging by the fact that you're here, I'm sure you know that that's bullshit, but still.

A lot of these traditional beliefs tend to cluster around each other because they have similar roots. The nuclear family was a whole project to rally white Americans together against immigrants, Indigenous, and Black people and it's a huge reason why many of these beliefs are still strong today.

[–]k8_ninety-eight 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I struggled with my identity because of the way that they treated me for the longest. I was always treated slightly better than my siblings because I’m white-passing. Needless to say, I needed lots of therapy to overcome what I was taught in their house. Most of us have just stopped talking to that side because we have mixed children (obviously) and we don’t want them to experience the abuse that we got.

Very true. My family also has lots of strong opinions about single-parent households and I think those stem from that “nuclear family” idea too.

[–]Caffeine_Queen_77 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I remember our grandmother calling my cousins that. I fucking loved my cousins. None of the adults would tell her to shut it and I still don't understand the power she wielded over them even as a frail old woman.

I am not so far from the age she was when she died: I have seen much of life. And I have never known a more cruel or evil person in my whole life than that grandmother. RIP, you poisonous vain old bitch. I have yet to hear a single person who knew you, who has missed you at all.

[–]k8_ninety-eight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel bad for your cousins, but they’re lucky to have had a cousin like you who wasn’t like that. I had a great-grandmother who was quite similar to your grandmother. I’m the only one who ever stood up to her unfortunately. I’m not sure why she got away with the shit she did either honestly.

[–]Rubberdoll 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Read: mentally mortality rate

[–]un0m 31 points32 points  (11 children)

But 'pro-life' sounds nicer.

Can you imagine if they used something like 'subjugate-women'? That would require them having to deal with the consequences of their ideology, and we certainly can't have that.

[–]fart-atronach 46 points47 points  (25 children)

“pro life” people also typically love the death penalty. lol

[–]StoreBoughtButter 166 points167 points  (15 children)

Yeah but they’re brown, big difference


[–]everadvancing 38 points39 points  (11 children)

No /s needed, that's exactly what those braindead hypocrites think.

[–]solsangraal 21 points22 points  (10 children)

the /s is needed when you want to make sure it's clear that you don't actually think that. because so many people actually think that

[–]Greendogblue 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Also, like, it’s REALLY hard to just up and move anywhere, especially a whole ass other country, even without the pandemic going on. It’s not a realistic option for like 95% of people

[–]Jagable 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, right? Let's see, no problem. Let me just prove my educational value to the country, leave my friends and family behind, figure out this foreign language stuff, and transfer my fat bankaccount with at least 6k in it so I can get set up in an Airbnb before I get an apartment with the deposit and all before I find a job in this foreign market. And that's only if you're from a country that doesn't need an entry visa in the destination country. Other people are never even gonna get off the ground without approval for a visa in the first place.

[–]SharpieScentedSoap 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I saw someone who commented on a post about the immigrant caravans saying "Fuck off, we're full!" but had pro-birth posts plastered all over their page.

[–]zaphod_beeble_bro 50 points51 points  (5 children)

Not to mention that most people fleeing from Latin America are trying to go to the empire that fucked up their countries and syphoned out their wealth. The u.s fucked Latin America during the cold war and before, but now have the audacity to complain because these people have nowhere to live now.

[–]madmaper_13 29 points30 points  (3 children)

That happens with Europe too, Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, West Indian (Jamaica and other Caribbean Islands) go to the UK. West Africans and north Africans go to France. The Nederland's has 1.5 million with some Indonesian decent.

[–]zaphod_beeble_bro 22 points23 points  (2 children)

My birth country is essentially owned by the u.s. it can't fart without Washington's say so. Most other countries in Latin America have governments installed by American influence. We're neo colonies, and like all colonies the colonized follow their money up to the empire. Americans created an immigration crisis and now cry about the consequences.

[–]BetaOscarBeta 21 points22 points  (1 child)

It’s even funnier when you realize that those people are fleeing countries that were destabilized by the US!

[–]UnvoicedAztec 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Why don't they stay and fix their own countries?

Oh yeah they did, but then America overthrew their democratically elected governments.

[–]Natural-Examination2 30 points31 points  (10 children)

Yeah, when conservatives tell me that, I tell them, actually, I moved to New England from Texas after Trump got elected. Given that we live in Massachusetts, how about you take your own fucking advice for once?

[–]qisqisqis 1203 points1204 points  (396 children)

Europe is surging in cases as we speak

[–]tada66 324 points325 points  (22 children)

Czech guy here. We are fucked. We were excellent in handling Covid in spring and because everybody thought it went away we lifted most of the regulations on 1st July.

Huge mistake because now we are the 3rd worst in the world in daily new cases, on Thursday we had 11 000 new cases. Also, keep in mind that we are a small country (population 10.5 mil).

So now we are facing a second lockdown, schools are closed again (some exceptions), and hospitals are nearly full. So yeah

[–]NorthernMedic68 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Stay safe my friend

[–]Thnik 36 points37 points  (10 children)

I have family there and am very concerned. Amazing how quickly you guys went from a few hundred per day in late August (10x better than North Carolina which is about the same size and population as the Czech Republic) to over 10,000 (about 5x worse than us, we've been fairly steady at about 2,000/day since mid July).

[–]tada66 25 points26 points  (9 children)

That's mostly due to the very poor handling by the government. They changed their minds so many goddamn times and our PM is a complete asshole so now nobody trusts them and a lot of people completely ignore the regulations. We also have a lot of anti makers and covid deniers. They had a small protest in Prague today actually. When I was still going to school we had teachers who refused to wear masks (everyone had to wear them before we transitioned to online classes again). Most people have this don't give a fuck about it attitude about covid. I wouldn't be surprised if we reached 15K cases a day next week. Our PM said that they won't be discussing a lock down this week but most likely they will announce it by next Thursday. They've done this some many times I lost count. We have a lot of regulations already but I think we need more. Because we are heading in a really bad direction.

[–]Hajo2 387 points388 points  (138 children)

Dutch guy here. We're not doing well. More measures have been taken last week so we'll be better in a few weeks

[–]BlueShockZero 124 points125 points  (90 children)

Another Dutch guy here. It's mostly on the western side of the country, the North and East are doing a lot better.

[–]gibbygibson987 136 points137 points  (44 children)

not a Dutch guy here. Be thankful you have a competent government. Boris Johnson sucks

[–]DogFashion 154 points155 points  (23 children)

I drank Dutch Chocolate Milk once. I enjoyed it very much.

[–]dickdoughnut 67 points68 points  (22 children)

Going Dutch on the first date is completely fine

[–]wbruce098 36 points37 points  (14 children)

Do the Dutch typically “go Dutch”, or do they call it “going Canadian”?

[–]Munnin41 49 points50 points  (10 children)

We just call it paying seperately.

[–]Snapsick 20 points21 points  (1 child)

We don't call it anything, it's all we've ever known.

[–]bdiggitty 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As soon as my youngest could hold a credit card we got one for her.

[–]NorthernMedic68 6 points7 points  (0 children)

LOL this!! Thanks man, I needed a good guffaw today lol

[–]Saiyan-solar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a Dutchman, I always pay for the first date. The second date however is a split bill.

However not all girls here even accept it if you pay the bill by you own for a date, one of my dates insisted on paying her part back to me even after I told get it was fine but she wanted to pay for the second date. Afterwards we decided not to go on a second date and she paid me back the amount anyway for no reason.

[–]mumblesjackson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Performing a Dutch oven, however, is not.

[–]MrStrange15 17 points18 points  (7 children)

If there was a competent government, the cases wouldn't be surging this much in the Netherlands.

[–]Nolenag 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Be thankful you have a competent government.


[–]CMWalsh88 30 points31 points  (16 children)

The same can be said for the US different states are handling it better then others.

[–]csupernova 8 points9 points  (12 children)

For now.... Cases are surging quickly here in the Northeast, which was basically the only region of the country that had been containing the virus.

[–]CMWalsh88 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Pull a county out of a hat and look at the rates. They are all surging. Ones I looked up: United Kingdom, France, Netherlands, Belgium all were surging.

[–]csupernova 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Oh absolutely. I wasn’t denying that. I’m just saying that even the parts of the US that were doing better, will soon not be doing so well.

[–]pirikikkeli69 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Finn here we are not that bad off... Yet because we are a bunch of alcoholics and we must get drunk and hug the shit out of every random human we see and people are pissed that restaurants are closed at 22 and its gonna get a lot worse here before it gets better nobody is wearing a mask and just yesterday we had a car meet with 5000 ppl lol

[–]MilfagardVonBangin 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I honestly thought Finns were the most pragmatic and least huggy people on the continent.

[–]pirikikkeli69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We are when its not a pandemic because if the social distance should be 2 meters it was 4 meters before the pandemic so we kinda took an arrow to the knee

[–]csupernova 15 points16 points  (15 children)

I don’t understand why your government waited so long to institute a mask mandate, their reasoning that would it lead to a lessening of the other safety measures didn’t make any sense

[–]Hajo2 14 points15 points  (9 children)

They claim that it hardly helps and might give people a false sense of security causing them to ignore 1.5 m and stuff. It was mostly due to public pressure they did it anyway. Other sources say it does help a lot though.

[–]csupernova 18 points19 points  (8 children)

The global scientific consensus is that masks dramatically help stop the spread of the virus.

What evidence do they have that people won’t maintain a safe distance if they have to wear masks? You have to do both of these things together in order to be safe.

[–]Iemand-Niemand 8 points9 points  (3 children)

And another Dutch guy here, I don’t know if these measures are going to help if people are ignoring them, but we’ll see in a few weeks.

[–]GhostRevival 81 points82 points  (30 children)

I heard France is particularly surging pretty badly.

[–]afito 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Czechia is like 20 times over what German government considers "red alert" levels of infections, it's quite wild.

[–]skineechef 25 points26 points  (26 children)

They're at least talking about it on a national level, via their elected president.

[–]absolute_panic 20 points21 points  (24 children)

One of my close friends lives in Stuttgart (near Frankfurt), Germany. He said cases have surged there as well.

[–]tspetri 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Just curious and not really relevant, what do you consider near? Stuttgart is more than 200 km/125 miles approx. away from Frankfurt, for me that's kinda far, they are even in different states.

Btw I live near Frankfurt (like 15 min or less depending on where in the city) and you are right, this week we reached more than 50 cases per 100.000 people for the first time since the pandemic began.

[–]absolute_panic 3 points4 points  (5 children)

*Nearer to Frankfurt than Berlin. Is what I should have said

[–]tspetri 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I think because European countries are way smaller than the US and the cities are less spaced out, in general Americans might have a different notion of distance than here, I was really just curious, not trying to correct you

[–]absolute_panic 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Haha no worries. But yeah, 125 miles here isn’t considered terribly far. It’s like the distance from LA to Bakersfield, CA here lol.

[–]MrStrange15 13 points14 points  (12 children)

Germany though, is probably the place to be in Europe right now. Of the top of my head, I can't think of a country in Europe that has handled it better. Probably helps that Merkel is an actual scientist.

[–]ForNOTcryingoutloud 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Norway has by far the best statistics in europe.

[–]leapfoot 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Germany has had a huge spike in the last few days and is looking to only be a couple weeks behind the rest of Europe in cases per capita.

[–]digbybaird 59 points60 points  (48 children)

Surging? France is having 30,000 cases a day! That’s hemorrhaging.

How have so many developed nations handled this so poorly? Sure, it was the unknown, but we’ve known what works for months and months now.

Countries that have all but defeated it, with 0 or single digit daily transmission, acted early and hard. They’re now reaping the benefits.

[–]Turokr 31 points32 points  (21 children)

No country has "defeated it" thanks to measures.

Only countries with geographical advantages had an easier time such as small island countries.

[–]ezkailez 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Malaysia almost beat covid. Almost. Their measure were good but they can't keep it long enough, they are not a developed country after all (their GDP per capita are slightly below the bar for being called a developed country)

They were down to 10-20 cases a day in july. The country even said that if they keep this up (back in july), they'll have 0 cases hopefully by august. But it's due to one of the strictest lockdowns a country had. Inevitably this cause their economic growth to tank by -20%.

Then they relaxed, encourages local tourism to boost the economy. Now they're up at 600 cases daily (they were at 350 daily when they put the lockdown). Now Kuala Lumpur and Selangor (capital city, and the state next to it) is having a semi lockdown because their economy just can't afford even a tight localised lockdown anymore

[–]Turokr 5 points6 points  (5 children)

That's my point, it's just not viable to shut down everything for god knows how many months.

Just some countries are luckier than others in the number of deaths due to X reasons that do not involve the government of said country.

[–]SapCPark 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For context, that would be the US having 147k cases per day. So double the cases per capita than the US

[–]throwit7896454 32 points33 points  (19 children)

Swiss guy here. We have more cases per million people compared to the USA, so we're not doing really well over here.

We're definitely in the second wave now.

[–]Krissam 23 points24 points  (16 children)

According to a post on /r/europe the other day EU in general has higher number of new cases per capita than 'murica does.

[–]Little-Jim 7 points8 points  (15 children)

And I guarantee that reddit won't be shitting on the EU like they've been shitting on the US for the past few months.

[–]ratlunchpack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right? Clearly we all have our idiots, but nothing gets updoots quite like shitting on America!

[–]tacocatau 36 points37 points  (2 children)

This tweet is a couple of months old.

I'm in Australia, our response has been pretty good. Hope we're on top of it and things keep improving.

[–]gfinz18 17 points18 points  (1 child)

This tweet isn’t from the past couple days. I remember seeing it a while ago. Back when it was more calm.

[–]ace_b00gie 35 points36 points  (26 children)

Seriously. How about we just stop doing this dick measuring contest about which countries are doing better? It’s a pandemic. We’re all in this together. I’m American and we had high numbers but what’s going on in Europe right now is tragic. I know they had their laughs about the US but I’m not gonna judge them. They’re suffering a lot right now and I hope they’re doing better soon.

[–]PleasantlyOffensive 27 points28 points  (17 children)

I feel bad for the people who are getting COVID, but I want the people who constantly shit on the US to at least feel like idiots.

[–]ace_b00gie 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Europeans just have a lot of inferiority complex issues when it comes to us and I don’t even wanna be offensive. They always feel the need to express how much better they are than Europeans. A lot of it stems from their history, from total poverty after world war 2 to today. I remember my grandma from Germany they didn’t even have running water in the 40s and 50s while every American family always had the newest inventions. There’s a saying in Germany “American uncle” to talk about your uncle who went to America and got really rich. We’re kinda like the big brother who always needs to be proven right.

[–]HumansKillEverything 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Everywhere in the northern hemisphere is surging in cases. It’s the second wave due to colder weather and people being more indoors and also people getting tired of social distancing etc.

[–]photozine 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yeah, all this "Europeans are doing great' thing is over. The only ones that truly shined was New Zealand (for many reasons).

"Look at Europe! They have no cases!" Yeah, that lasted long.

[–]captainstormy 393 points394 points  (94 children)

While I agree we are doing badly, many European countries are too. Right now several countries have a higher per capita new daily cases than we do.

[–]HomeGrownCoffee 179 points180 points  (72 children)

This is true. They were doing badly, took measures to remedy it, and are hitting a bad second wave.

The US was doing badly, did very little, hit a second wave in the summer, still did nothing, and is now on to wave #3 with the only possible course of action tentatively scheduled for January 21.

Edit: You can absolutely have a new wave before the previous one is resolved

[–]SuaveThrower 89 points90 points  (27 children)

Most major cities have taken measures. It's just the federal government that's been useless. I live in Kansas City and we've had a mask mandate since April.

[–]mumblesjackson 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Same here. Pretty good compliance in the city. Johnson county and outside of town is a fucking joke for mask use.

[–]AtOurGates 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The other thing that’s making it slightly better than it would otherwise be is that dense areas also tend to be more progressive areas, that are more likely to take Covid seriously, and in more rural areas, there’s simply less contact between individuals as a matter of course.

[–]Deestroy_me 4 points5 points  (1 child)

After seeing absolutely no one wear masks in Jacksonville suburbs, it is no surprise to me that we have reached the point we have.

[–]KillerBunnyZombie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It seems its difficult to have spikes if you never really did anything to slow it down to begin with...

[–]SirDuggieWuggie 12 points13 points  (3 children)

At this point, I'd say we never even left the first wave, people just decided to pretend it didn't exist.

[–]meatcube 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Happy cake day, sorry the world is burning

[–]HillInTheDistance 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah. My country has no mandate to have masks, but everyone knows they should. And they still don't do it. Not even on the bloody bus!

[–]gacdeuce 305 points306 points  (52 children)

This tweet didn’t age very well.

[–]FeezusChrist 121 points122 points  (32 children)

Neither did this 3 hour old post, but this is Reddit so anything anti American is an effective karma farm

[–]Prying-Open-My-3rd-I 70 points71 points  (28 children)

The anti American circlejerk on reddit is always interesting. Someone posted a link above that shows the US at 36th on a list of cases per 100,000 people. People saying nothing was done to combat Covid in the US. Masks have been required in public where I am for months now and while I do see people improperly wearing masks, everyone does have one on. I’d guess the rural areas are much less compliant, but honestly their daily lives are socially distant to begin with.

[–]Hideout_TheWicked 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Sadly, my city was doing fantastic with masks. Then I guess they were no longer mandated so people stopped wearing them. The dealership where I got my oil change nobody was wearing a mask.

I remember a month or so back I watched a couple (might have been less than that) walk around Walmart without masks with smiles on their faces because they were sticking it to the maskers. I have never wanted to physically accost someone more in my life. Just their stupid smug ass faces.

People all over are slacking on masks or intentionally not wearing them more at this point. It has just slowly been getting more and more prominent.

[–]Prying-Open-My-3rd-I 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Luckily I haven’t seen anyone like that. I’ve seen some “Trump 2020” masks. If that is what makes them feel comfortable wearing one, then I’m all for it.

[–]strangerbuttrue 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Where are you? I’m in Florida and I can tell you it’s an ongoing struggle here to get and keep people masked. Apparently just yesterday our governor was saying masks don’t work. Must be why 100 people are dying a day here. Pretty sure we had the highest deaths in the nation yesterday, but no one even notices anymore since we have become numb to dozens of daily deaths.

So when you have complete idiots here saying how great we are, it’s hard not to push back.

[–]BagOnuts 16 points17 points  (0 children)

DAE America bad?

[–]skineechef 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Funny time to post this. Not quite ironic, but we're getting there.

[–]Sugarbear51 78 points79 points  (3 children)

The town I live in just had a post on the city FB page I had to just leave the conversation. The facility is used for seniors. We don't have a full town mask mandate but there is a mandate for city buildings which included this particular building. Some asshats decided to bust up into the old folks recreational place with no masks so they had to halt all food prep. This means that the old people couldn't get lunch there. They also have to quarantine.

The number of people who replied talking about their "freedoms" is too fucking high. Leave the old people alone!!!!

[–]DntMessWitRohan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Harassing defenseless elders in the name of "freedoms". Yikes, these people are deranged beyond belief...

[–]internetTroll151 122 points123 points  (113 children)

Actually most aren’t doing any better any more

[–]YeeScurvyDogs 36 points37 points  (11 children)

Uhh have you seen the latest covid wave in Europe?

[–]TeslasAndComicbooks 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Shhhh. You’re ruining the narrative.

[–]YeeScurvyDogs 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I mean i'm european and it's kinda hilarious how rapidly our superiority complexes collapsed in the last month.

[–]PatiHubi 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Also not anyone from the US can just decide to up and move to Europe. They need either a job lined up or a partner that’s European or some other reason or else they can’t just stay forever.

[–]Ok-Introduction-244 37 points38 points  (25 children)

I hate to break it to you; but the EU didn't welcome Americans before the pandemic either.

You could visit, you could spend your money... But you can't just get a job. You can't even stay beyond either 3 months or 6 months, depending on the country. It is a lengthy process and unless you are skilled labor in a field they consider themselves to have a shortage in, you can't stay.

Source: NonEu citizen who lived in the EU for five years.

[–]HighNoonMonsoon 19 points20 points  (8 children)

You’re saying this like it’s easy for a non-American to live and ultimately become an American citizen . Meanwhile a large portion of Americans are anti-immigration who support a fat orange sack of shit and his cult

[–]rlaitinen 9 points10 points  (3 children)

He's right tho, it is already easier to immigrate to the US than many other first world countries. I just happen to be perfectly fine with that, as it is our heritage and makes our nation better.

[–]waistnipple 94 points95 points  (8 children)

And that's why USA is not gonna get better. Americans think that they are better than anybody in this world.

Check OP's post history; it's the same drivel posted everywhere for karma-farming.

[–]tyzor2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Its gotta be a propaganda account

[–]i_love_rem 35 points36 points  (4 children)

That tweet is way out of date now. Europe is fucking up even worse than the US right now.

[–]ydoesittastelikethat 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Europe is a bunch of different countries though, some aren't doing so good. When Europe does something good, its Europe, when they do something bad, the single country of origin is named. This way thry always sound better because WPT is a self hating garbage fire.

[–]saltysander 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Don't look now ,but they're in the second wave of infection.

[–]WestleyThe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah we are still on the first wave so it’s going great

[–]stargate-command 25 points26 points  (9 children)

This didn’t age well... Europe is not doing great with Covid as of late. The EU has surpassed the US with new daily cases per capita.

Overall, US still has a worse record, but EU is seeing a huge spike recently.

[–]ThelceWarrior 3 points4 points  (8 children)

As an italian this is mostly because schools are now open again really.

[–]mycat_isanasshole 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Not sure when she posted this, but the EU passed the US in number of cases this week, so no, not really.

[–]DefinitelyPositive 39 points40 points  (6 children)

I'd say on Reddit there's a pretty strong undercurrent (or uh, obvious current) of Europeans feeling superior to anyone else in the world. Extra obvious in any Trump or politics topic.

[–]ScHoolboy_QQ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I’d call it pervasive.

[–]Harambeaintdeadyet 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ops account is 6 months old with negative comment karma who posts daily about trump in broken English. Bizarro

[–]acroporaguardian 16 points17 points  (0 children)

we still have 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government functionally rationally and that aint bad

(Mars Attacks ref if your curious)

[–]Gravybutt 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Isn't the pandemic in Europe worse than America now? Pretty sure I just saw that article in r/worldnews.

[–]whyiseverynametaken4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even before the pandemic locked everything down, people complaining about America on Twitter still weren't going to leave. Most of them are all talk.

[–]punished_skitarii 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's about the same though

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

We’re not handling it any better in Europe, it’s as much of a depressing shambles. The grass is not greener this side of the Atlantic, just a different shade of brown.

[–]Special-Bite 38 points39 points  (4 children)

I mean all I see about Europe is that they're shutting stuff down again and here in America we're open as a barn door. Check mate lib turds. How's that freedom taste.

/s duh

[–]lazyandcool 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What a hot new take on the situation... /s

[–]Here4TheC00kies 6 points7 points  (3 children)

"Americans think they are better..."

Some Americans think this. In fact, the majority of Americans know how bad things are here but, due to our bullshit electoral process, our thoughts tend to not matter.

[–]nowhereman86 10 points11 points  (1 child)

How about yelling at her because it’s just not true?

Europe is now overtaking the US.

[–]ScHoolboy_QQ 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Weird timing to try and dunk on US virus response since cases in Europe are skyrocketing and just surpassed the US in new daily cases.....

[–]SD7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The UK and EU are seeing a huge 2nd surge France is pretty worrying.

[–]VivienneNovag 2 points3 points  (3 children)

As a resident of Germany, I am pissed that people in my country aren't handling the pandemic like Japan. 30% more population on only 10% more area with less than a third of cases to us and a fifth of the death toll. Why, because of a higher perceived personal responsibility for the well being of others and people wearing a mask if they're ill, by themselves.