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[–]city-of-starsgive me 1. e4 or give me death[M] [score hidden] stickied commentlocked comment (0 children)

PSA: Just in case this hasn't been made abundantly clear, doxxing of any kind is not permitted on Reddit and will lead to an automatic ban. Full stop.

[–]BeholdMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm writing the libretto for a forthcoming "Chessbrah, Chessgod, Chessbae" opera, but I don't have the musical skills to match; and would love someone who can compose a four-hour nine-act piece in D-minor. Very minor.

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    [–]GladPiano3669 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    Here is Hikaru's POV on the whole situation.https://youtu.be/4YT8xsT9MUs .

    He says he doesn't have any access to eric and he will take matters in his own handa so chessbae won't be actively involved.

    [–]ar9av 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    "No means of direct communication", seriously?

    [–]hazzarius 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    The man compares himself to Warren Buffet in the sense that he should be "hands off" in a situation like this. Maybe a few too many juicers have gone to his head...

    [–]daggerpwnc -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    What does that mean with ChessBae moving forward? Getting rid of her could lower the numbers of subscribers for Hikaru and other streamers.

    [–]Key_Lion_5569 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    According to naka, and chessbae's statement on discord, she's going to be taking a backseat for a while, but she hasn't been fired or resigned. And afaik, she's still admin/mod on his discord as well as for danya and the others.

    [–]classicskillet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    she has so much power over this community lmao

    [–]juzpvp_k 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    1500 year old game drama 😱😱😱😱

    Edit: it’s a joke

    [–]notarobot10101010 24 points25 points  (3 children)

    Eric Rosen with the hottest of takes on the recent chess drama 😂: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7igqS1neBng

    [–]CardioBatman 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    That was the best clickbait I've ever seen.

    [–]s200711 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    "Breaking: IM Rosen talks about Hikaru drama and nearly being assaulted"

    [–]luchajefe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Oh lord he comin'.

    [–]Entbriham_Lincoln 29 points30 points  (2 children)

    I saw Hikaru at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face.

    [–]_CRiTTER_noob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Oh my god I haven’t followed “pro” chess in a while is everyone turning against Hikaru because he won’t stop losing or because he’s being an adult sized toddler because both are true on any given day just go to his streams all he does is talk shit and act like a know it all no respect for him

    [–]DisgruntledAardvark 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    I love it when copypastas actually fit the person.

    [–]Mr_Samurai 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Eric Rosen just shared a story about Hikaru:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCs0osfMThY

    [–]Barcaroli 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Bro. I'm dying right now LMAO

    [–]GabeSter 9 points10 points  (15 children)

    Can someone please explain to me who chessbae94 is, and why they matter. I’ve read the information from the past couple days of drama but don’t really understand why they are important or even who they are

    [–]Actinism 20 points21 points  (10 children)

    she's a random person who obtained dozens of stream moderator and yt channel admins for top personalities, due to donating 10s of thousands of dollars. Eventually obtained a position at chess.com. Uses this power to ban those who criticise her and create an exploitative in-group that get preferential treatment, while striking the channels of other grandmasters for making the exact same videos as the hikarugang channels do.

    basically a cancer on the online chess community.

    [–]_JohnMuir_ 5 points6 points  (9 children)

    Maybe this is true, but do you actually have evidence of this? Pretty serious accusations, would like to see the source

    Edit: for real getting downvoted for asking a evidence?

    [–]TA_random_123 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    This thread is a good place to start, it wont answer all of your questions but a fair few. The problem is a lot of the information was supplied by other streamers during their own streams, I personally didn't note the time they said certain things so it's hard to give a precise source, but the information is out there, it's just hard to find. No one has really tried compiling everything. I guess it might be a good idea to make something easily copy + pasteable so everyone can know

    [–]_JohnMuir_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Thank you for actually providing context.

    [–]AaronAegeus 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    https://redd.it/gyocg3

    If someone answers the question you asked, it's pretty strange to not believe them.

    [–]_JohnMuir_ 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    What? I didn’t ask any previous questions. All I asked for was evidence.

    And also, no it’s not, I don’t just “believe” comments with absolutely zero evidence.

    [–]pal0101 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I don't get how someone with so much influence over the chess community can remain anonymous? I wouldn't be surprised if it's a situation much like HBO's Tickled documentary - there's something really strange here.

    [–]FourthQuaternion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    A few people have met her in person apparently (Eric Hansen is one), but otherwise she's anonymous to the public.

    [–]GabeSter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Oh wow, so they are anonymous… I tried googling more information about that but all I got was essentially pictures of their username

    [–]kvothei 26 points27 points  (12 children)

    "Everything good in the hood now! Thanks @GMHikaru-😎" --- https://twitter.com/ben_finegold/status/1380671887315963904?s=19.

    Seems like Hikaru took the strike off Benjamin's channel? Idk.

    [–]DisgruntledAardvark 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Knowing Ben's sense of humour, I'm almost tempted to say that was tongue-in-cheek.

    [–]Kalinin46 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    He's said they made peace on stream

    [–]murphysclaw1 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Ben has mentioned on stream that he had a conversation with Hikaru about it.

    [–]andy_b200 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Oh to be a fly on the wall for that.

    [–]pal0101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Either that or the chess mob / chess bae had a talk with Ben

    [–]ConversationHumble35 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    That's probably the end of it. If you're still uncomfortable with Chessbae's role among streamers and chesscom, that's not ever going away. All you can do is not subscribe to, nor watch channels that she moderates, and move to chess24 or lichess or whatever platform. I recommend wonderfultime on twitch. twitch.tv/gmminhle

    [–]trillneji 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Minh is a really wholesome guy to go along with being a top online player

    [–]sinisjecht 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Looks that way. Things have now been made right re: this round of drama, hopefully there will be no more of this shit in future.

    [–]TA_random_123 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    Chessbae still has too much power, she caused all this drama with the copyright strikes she put out, I personally feel Chessbae is still a problem for the Chess community

    [–]sinisjecht 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Don't disagree, but neither chessbae/hikaru nor the community will forget the last couple of days. A lot of truth has been spoken that had been held in for years. If anything like this happens again, the backlash will be double. Backtracking on the strike for Ben is a big climbdown for them.

    [–]TA_random_123 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Here's hoping Chessbae turns over a new leaf I guess. I really hope more streamers remove her priveleges from their channels regardless though.

    [–]hidden_secret 27 points28 points  (7 children)

    I've always hated the channels that initiated strikes on other channels even in the beginning of Youtube, to me they always were some of the shittiest scums there is.

    So the fact that this much time has passed and we don't even have a statement from Nakamura about this, when the strikes came from his channel, well, to me it drastically changed my view of this person, from a player that I greatly enjoyed despite all the criticisms (personally I didn't care, I like an arrogant egoistical character, it's fun in a competitive setting), to a person that I really look down on. I'm gonna have a lot less interest following his matches in the future, personally.

    [–]tryingtolearn_1234 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Update things appear to be coming to an end. The strike against Ben Finegold's channel has been removed. Hopefully all the streamers will stop any kind of silly copyright striking of each other and we can get back to enjoying the ones we like and ignoring the ones we don't. You may now return to your regularly scheduled drama.

    [–]awnawkareninah 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    I love chessbrah and have for years and years, but this is bigger than that. It's a dark cloud over YouTube chess period if this stands. Players are going to have to self moderate content and commentary in case they hurt Hikaru's feelings, or if some other content creator with a comparable following trys the same shit etc.

    [–]Sure_Tradition 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Of course Hikaru has the rights to his image and Twitch content. Anyone who uses his without asking permissions is wrong at first, so he can freely strike if his feeling is hurt.

    [–]making-a-pizza 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Lol ironic as hikaru uses other peoples content more than any other streamer in his "reaction videos". In my opinion reaction videos are much lazier and more controversial (in terms of stealing content) than dual cam commentary of a public match you both streamed.

    [–]shinsho2000 uscf 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    There are better, more entertaining and educational chess promoters than Hikaru. Hikaru is toxic and so are most of his viewers.

    [–]awnawkareninah 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Honestly I was huge on chess streamers and channels three years ago, it's crazy to me the following Hikaru has gotten. He's super uncharismatic and basically yells into his mic constantly, offers very few insights, isn't funny etc. Like other than purely being good at the game he offers very little imo.

    [–]TrashLurker 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    So you're saying you literally didn't care? You literally didn't care?

    [–]unnaturalbehavior2100 Lichess, 2050 Chess.com, 2100 4Player Teams & FFA 28 points29 points  (22 children)

    Has Gothamchess made a statement yet? Or does he avoid being involved?

    [–]_JohnMuir_ 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    Him and Eric Rosen and Danya can and must to stay pure throughout all of this for the good of the world.

    [–]mynamjefferon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Danya called Hikaru out

    [–]_JohnMuir_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Literally two minutes after I wrote this comment I saw that, and Hess. Both were very measured and I agree with them. Not a good look for Hikaru

    [–]w4rlord117 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Rosen apparently told a Hikaru story pretty recently.

    [–]_JohnMuir_ 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    Rosen’s “video on the drama” is so beautiful.

    [–]Monsieur_Mangetout 42 points43 points  (0 children)

    He's never going to comment on this. He's Hikaru's biggest cheerleader and is really tight with CB94. He'll follow the company line on this.

    [–]GuitarWizard90 51 points52 points  (12 children)

    I think Levy has had enough drama lately and probably just wants to avoid it for now. I don't blame him. The dude had an entire nation pissed off at him lol. He was in the right, but that was still a lot of crap to deal with.

    [–]WisDumbb 3 points4 points  (11 children)

    OOTL Why is Gotham being hated on? I know he is friends with Hikaru and can be animated and seemingly arrogant at times but he seems like an alright guy to me

    [–]GuitarWizard90 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    I don't think anyone is hating on him now. A lot of Indonesians were angry with him because he accused one of their players of cheating. It caused some drama for him for a while, but he turned out to be right. The guy was obviously cheating.

    [–]pbcorporeal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Finegold made a crack about him being Hikaru's dog that people have been sharing a bunch.

    [–]pbcorporeal 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    Gotham has in the past expressed opinions that r/chess has a lot of snobbery and gatekeeping in it.

    [–]NotANerdReally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Wasn't it just a few hours ago he made a salty post on Twitter (or something) that his rap video got deleted from this subreddit? Sounds a bit entitled to me.

    [–]kraken_tang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    He's right though although I think it's the problem for most chess forums. I rarely follows chess forums and I thought they were small and filled with high rated people hence the elitism, turned out most of them are lower rated than me by quite a margin and they STILL act like know it all towards other players.

    [–]TA_random_123 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    I personally haven't seen any hate directed towards him, I haven't seen every single post though so I easily could've missed some, but if I had to guess it might be because he does a lot of collaborations with Hikaru and Chessbae is a prominent mod in his channel also

    [–]Yoyo524 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    I think a lot of people thought he was a dick to people on stream, and mocks players weaker than him a lot. The consensus was his videos were pretty good though. Recently I haven’t seen much negativity after his win in the Indonesia drama

    [–]Actinism 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    He's tolerable in video form, his natural personality is a bit arrogant without the skill to back it up, but in a structured format he's fine.

    [–]TA_random_123 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Yeah on stream he does seem like either a dick or a suck up depending on whether the person is lower or higher rated than him, but for that reason I haven't bothered watching any of this YouTube content. I did see a 4 player Chess video with Hikaru/Levy/Rosen/Agadmator which I thought was pretty telling...

    [–]EyLin9900 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Youtube Levy was amazing, but Twitch Levy... meh.

    [–]phrixious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Look up on the drama between him and dewa kipas/Indonesia. The tl;dr is he caught a cheater cheating and the cheater said he wasn't cheating and it blew way way way up

    [–]DisgruntledAardvark 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    He's very wisely not commenting on this shit.

    [–]Blunderbunch 3 points4 points  (32 children)

    So, it's over now ?

    [–]tryingtolearn_1234 34 points35 points  (22 children)

    The copyright strike against Ben Finegold's channel is still up.

    [–]TA_random_123 62 points63 points  (8 children)

    No, Chessbae cannot be allowed to have the power and influence she has, she has abused it in the past and continues to try do so, and the copyright strikes need to be removed from Ben Finegold's channel and tryingtolearn1234's channel

    [–]mohishunderUSCF 20xx 39 points40 points  (3 children)

    This stream by Ben Feingold provides outstanding background - should be linked.

    [–]TiberiousThunderDog 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    I think the most important point he makes is that these are people we only see for a limited time over the internet, but the GM world is so small that these guys have known each other personally for decades. There's so much we background stuff that we don't actually know.

    [–]AdeSariusPIPI in your pampers 44 points45 points  (1 child)

    Lmao @ 39:20 "there was a girl in our chess club who was like 12 and man did she hate hikaru. How does a 12 yo hate a superGM? And the answer was well, she met him"

    [–]ProMarcoMug 24 points25 points  (30 children)

    has Naka's streaming numbers been affected at all by this? IMO he is probably just trying to ride the storm and hope people forget it with time, I mean the guy has always been known as a dick in the chess world but most of his followers are those who are new to the game/ casual fans so they are probably not aware of how toxic he is.

    [–]exswoo 29 points30 points  (15 children)

    Looks like he lost about 2-4k followers total from the fallout. Of course, he's gaining 1-2k new followers every day, so it's a pretty nominal hit.

    [–]threetogetready 14 points15 points  (10 children)

    I don't get what people get from watching his stream. Especially new players... it isn't like they are learning how to play better

    [–]due_the_drew 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    His coaching streams he does are very informative. You can tell it's hard for him to dumb it down enough and you can see him get kinda frustrated but for the most part you can learn a lot by watching those at least.

    [–]kraken_tang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Want good coaches? Watch someone that's actually a coach for a living, for example GM Daniel King he trained both masters and amateurs or Ben Finegold which coached new comers to chess Elisabeth Paehtz is new to coahcing but his dad was a lifetime coach and has a ton of good materials and she shared his experience too. Hikaru's explanation is way too fast and useless in stream I prefer the videos where I can slow down and rewatch it at my own pace.

    [–]ArrstdDvlpmnt 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    You can tell it's hard for him to dumb it down enough and you can see him get kinda frustrated

    awww poor Hikaru

    [–]luchajefe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    lol, that makes him a bad coach.

    Which is fine, most of the best at something are actually really poor coaches.

    The best basketball coaches for the most part were bench or role players in their playing days. Because they weren't naturals, they had to learn more and that makes them better at being coaches and teachers.

    [–]EarthyFeet 15 points16 points  (4 children)

    twitch is entertainment, not educative

    [–]phrixious 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    While I get what you mean, I personally don't think content like Hikaru's is very entertaining. I guess because chess is a fairly abstract game, and because he only plays bullet and blitz, it's very difficult to follow with what he's doing other than taking juicers and winning/complaining about losses. I think content like Levy's, or Rosen's, or chessbrah or Anna Cramling etc etc are (for me) more entertaining because they explain through what they're doing most of the time.

    Of course, to each their own, so in a sense this comment is useless.

    [–]ras_al_ghul3 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    subs are more of a measure to see if his fanbase has dwindled as a result of this. Following is easy and doesn't show significant commitment, but if you lose 1000 subs, thats quite significant

    [–]exswoo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Is that what happened? Hard to tell from the stat aggregators

    [–]luchajefe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There are some people who will just let their subs expire, and we'd have to wait to see the fallout of those people as well.

    [–]ras_al_ghul3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    No idea, we'd have to wait a few weeks to get a clearer picture. You can check his subs on twitchtracker, I don't trust his sub counter on screen

    [–]DisgruntledAardvark 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Quick confirmation since I don't know how YT works and I don't really watch either channel often - the videos are back up(?), so that means that the strike has been removed?

    [–]khikago 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    yes and yes

    [–]galahad6372837382 65 points66 points  (21 children)

    Mfw finegold was right all along 🗿

    [–]captain_zavec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What happened?

    [–]galahad6372837382 53 points54 points  (18 children)

    I'm still disappointed in myself for hating finegold in the past drama just because the internet told me too.

    [–]Jayulian 14 points15 points  (7 children)

    Feel the same way. Learned about finegold like many others through that penguinz0 video, and there was a massive anti-finegold circlejerk. I still like Charlie, but I don’t think he at all understood the people he was dealing with. I think now that finegolds content is kind of funny. But I find it difficult to watch hikaru, and this drama doesn’t surprise me

    [–]Actinism 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Charlie is a master at kneejerk whining. that's something he gets a massive hard-on for.

    [–]Rads2010 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    that's interesting. So you now agree with Finegold's comments about xQc and boxbox? Which parts of Charlie's video do you think he would have changed if he "understood the people."

    [–]FourthQuaternion 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    Not the person you were replying to but I've been following chess for several years now. From what I saw of Charlie's video he was describing Finegold as an elitist which Finegold does a lot of work for beginners and teaching children (even founded a chess club in Atlanta), so he's hardly an elitist. Finegold's comments about xQc and boxbox were out of line though those types of remarks are typical humor for Finegold, just in this case too far and Finegold later apologized.

    So in short I think Finegold was rightfully criticized for those remarks but he's not an elitist.

    [–]Rads2010 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Actually, Charlie specifically addresses Finegold's hypocrisy in that case. You cannot describe Finegold's remarks as anything other than elitist. He was saying that Hikaru was a d*ckrider for teaching xQC and boxbox, who had "negative talent in life." That is absolutely elitist and hypocritical, because he's saying that because they aren't good at chess and make living streaming, they're somehow of less talent in life than people who literally play and teach a board game for a living.

    I watched chess off and on last year and stopped for a few months while I got back into swing trading. I literally opened chess back up a day or two ago, and this whole "drama" thing is way overblown.

    I will say the blatant hypocrisy on both sides is fascinating, to say the least. I watched almost all of Hikaru, Eric, Aman, and Finegold's streams on 2x speed and the hypocrisy and logical fallacies are chuckle-worthy.

    [–]TA_random_123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This drama isn't overblown, it basically all came about because of a single person named Chessbae, she has basically bought power in Chess twitch streams, 40 of them, and wields her power in an abusive manner. She runs Hikarus YouTube channel, which is where the copyright strikes came from, and they were only directed at channels that she has previous bad blood with. Hikaru/Eric/Finegold is the symptom of the drama, Chessbae is the cause of the drama.

    [–]g00nsby 25 points26 points  (6 children)

    I always thought it was silly that people hated on GM Finegold for not wanting to "grow the game". GM Finegold was the first person to do high quality chess lessons on YouTube; specifically geared towards beginner players. He was doing this long before streamers started to take the spotlight. He has done alot for the chess community. He speaks his mind and has a qwerky sense of humor - thats the way he has always been. He, to my knowledge, has never made any bad faith statements publicly. I was really disappointed when people were spreading around that clip of him calling him an 'elitist' - couldn't be father from the truth.

    [–]zod2ac 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    What a qwerky sense of humor. Saying that two people that you have never met have nothing in the brain and heart. Very funny indeed!

    [–]TA_random_123 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Was pretty stupid of him to say, but what he has done to grow the game of Chess and help people learn cannot be discounted because of something he said and has apologised for.

    [–]zod2ac 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Yeah I don't think he ever apologized for that and you know its kind of funny these guys make it seem like hikaru is hitler 2.0 when in reality they are both the same. It doesn't make it better if you acknowledge you're an asshole or not.

    [–]TA_random_123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    No he did apologize for it, and Hikaru basically is the worst person in the Chess community because of how he enables Chessbae, she massively abuses power and authority. I really hope HIkaru does the right thing and removes Chessbae

    They are definitely not the same though, Hikaru is much worse

    [–]phrixious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, I discovered Finegold three or so years ago and never really got why there was so much hate for him. His humor isn't for everyone but I agree he's definitely been around for awhile "growing the game"

    [–]tryingtolearn_1234 29 points30 points  (1 child)

    I'd just like to point out that Ben never forced anyone to take down the clip of the rant that got him in trouble and the reaction videos that were used to stoke a lot of outrage against him. He has told people who just take clips form his channel to stop, but that's a separate issue.

    [–]redBeepis 7 points8 points  (23 children)

    Neil deGrasse Tyson, Carson, Dream, now this? I feel the same way as when I was told Santa wasn't real

    [–]PrestonYatesPAY 10 points11 points  (21 children)

    Wait what happened to black science man

    [–]Holy_Shit_HeckHounds 18 points19 points  (19 children)

    He's mostly a pointless pedant and condescending, with absolutely no social grace. All around a bit of an ass.

    [–]Cloudybreak 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I like him, however he's not as sharp or in tune as he was a decade ago. Mega fame has done some harm to his social skills. Or it's just age.

    [–]EarthyFeet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I found some podcast he was hosting, was also disappointed. It wasn't for me.

    [–]zsjok 0 points1 point  (16 children)

    does he actually have any kind of noteworthy scientific contribution in his field or is he just a "public" scientist ?

    [–]NotANerdReally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    His primary role is a science communicator, not a scientist. To that end, he does a very good job of reaching out to the uninitiated.

    GothamChess serves a similar role in chess. Neither of these people are top tier experts in their respective fields, but they do a very good job of communicating what they know to the less experienced.

    There is a need for such people. Most highly skilled experts do a poor job of communicating their knowledge, as anyone who has been through the public education system will know.

    [–]Cloudybreak 10 points11 points  (14 children)

    Yes, it's on record, but nothing that would stand out from his peers. I don't think that's any knock though. The chess equivalent would be the many chess influencers whom are not elite competitors. No sense in bashing them for not being top 20.

    [–]zsjok -1 points0 points  (13 children)

    no but why does he have such a public profile and fame? not for his scientific contribution like it should be.

    Its different in chess because you have the elo system which tells you clearly who is better, not the same thing as a scientist .

    [–]luckyluke193 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    not for his scientific contribution like it should be.

    Being a great scientist will make you famous in your scientific field, perhaps also in adjacent scientific fields, but not to the general public. If you have a bunch of brilliant papers in Science/Nature/Cell/whatever, the general public is not going to care about them. It's impossible to recognise the importance of a scientific article if you're not familiar with the subject.

    [–]zsjok -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

    there are ways to raise the public profile of deserving scientists, dont tell me this is impossible , it just isnt .

    [–]luckyluke193 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Of course it's possible, but only if that scientist is interested in becoming a celebrity, which many of us really aren't. Being a person of interest to the general public is extremely time consuming, and absolutely not for everyone.

    [–]zsjok -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    you dont need celebrities to teach the public , thats the misconception

    [–]DreamSonata 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I will say that the actual people who do make very notable scientific contributions do not make it into the mainstream often, and your standard Joe will rarely hear about them. And if they do, your standard Joe won't understand why it's an important discovery or how it came about. People like Tyson take those ideas and try to package and send them out in an ELI5 concept (that once again gets him into trouble sometimes). Scientists who market themselves as educators often fall into the trap of speaking on subjects they don't know enough about, and that too, gets them into trouble.

    All that said, to answer your question, Tyson does a lot of interviews, talk shows, appears in many documentaries, has an online presence. His contribution to the science is making it accessible to the layman and bringing it into popular culture. He may not have had any breathtaking scientific discoveries, but he has done much in getting more people interested in science throughout the 2010s. You could liken him to how Bill Nye operated in the 90s.

    [–]IHaveNeverBeenOk 9 points10 points  (7 children)

    He's a science communicator. I don't like the guy at all (and never did; was always pedantic in my view.) We do need communicators though, especially in this post-truth reality we are now in, where so many people are distrustful of expertise.

    Now, I don't think NDT does the job well, because he turns people off, but giving communicator jobs to the 'best' scientists as far as research and publications go? Seems like a terrible way to pick a science communicator. You want someone entertaining with good teaching skills. Trust me, neither of those are required to get your PhD, do research, or write papers.

    [–]zsjok -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

    whats a science communicator ? you have an education system for basic scientific facts .

    there are many more deserving scientists who dont have nearly the public profile he has.

    [–]je_te_jure~2200 FIDE 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Current pandemic is a good example of where you would need good science communicators

    [–]ApoplecticArmadillo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    First of all, A LOT of teachers/schools will actually make students hate the subject they're teaching, either because of their incompetence or apathy. Science classes are especially prone to that problem since they're usually harder than other subjects and students who are not inherently good at it will hate it even more because of shitty teachers. Science communicators are there to explain incredible discoveries to general population in a simpler manner, and maybe even ignite a spark in some kid who'll turn his eyes to the sky and dream of becoming an astronaut. Science communicators often need to be charismatic as well to get people to listen to them, not just smart.
    Second of all, do you know why those "more deserving scientist" don't do what DeGrasse Tyson does? Because they have better things to do. Also, if they were to talk about their work in more detail, 99.5% of people would not have a damn clue what it was about. You need someone to bridge the gap.

    [–]zsjok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Seems to be a problem with schools and teachers

    [–]_HaveYouNoShameSir 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    whats a science communicator ?

    Someone whose primary role is to talk about science to laypeople.

    [–]zsjok -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

    there are many ways to teach science to the public , you dont need one big ego person to do it .

    [–]redBeepis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    His twitter is nuts. Or at least used to be. I haven't checked on him since 2019

    [–]ctatkeson 60 points61 points  (10 children)

    None of this would have happened if Chessbae94 wasn't messing with streams, controlling narratives, and using her power to create unequal opportunity. She's been doing this for years. Her quest is not to spread chess or help the game, it is simply to gain power. I have tremendous respect for Hikaru, Chessbrah, and all the other elite chess players who choose to stream and share their incredible talent with the world. I have always felt that Chessbae94 has exploited these streamers and made changes for the worse. I personally will be unsubscribing from all channels managed by Chessbae94.

    [–]TA_random_123 26 points27 points  (8 children)

    You got a few to unsub/unfollow unfortunately... yesterday she was a mod of 41, today 40, so someone took a step in the right direction I guess

    https://modlookup.3v.fi/u/chessbae94

    [–]DiscoveredMater 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    She's not a mod of Danya is she??

    [–]TA_random_123 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I think she's only a VIP there, no idea why this website says she's a mod though, maybe she had mod priveleges taken away but retains mod role or something, I really have no idea

    [–]tryingtolearn_1234 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    She is a mod of his but he said he's given her and Naka a few days to appologize and if not she's no longer welcome.

    [–]circlejerkliberal 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    Just realised that "grow the game" was all about getting more power for Chessbae..now all the collabs, where a grumpy sarcastic no-good IM gets all the other streamers on stream, make sense