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[–]steve32767Ant-Man[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (10 children)

EPISODE IS LIVE! Enjoy!

(There is no credits scene for this episode. There have not been any credits scenes for previous What If episodes)

[–]Teh27ClubSpider-Man 2945 points2946 points  (26 children)

I checked the Wakandan letters on the casket and it says "Wakanda Forever". Just for anyone else who was curious like I was.

[–]russketeer34 4074 points4075 points  (95 children)

lmao Killmonger designed a straight up Gundam

[–]allnaturalflavor 2959 points2960 points  (54 children)

"What? I like anime"

[–]NomadPrime 1868 points1869 points  (31 children)

Straight up just imported Michael B Jordan's love of anime into his character Lol. Waiting for the next eventual Marvel synergy moment to happen in the comics and we see comic Killmonger binging shonen in his downtime.

[–]TheDerpedThor[🍰] 868 points869 points  (21 children)

Even outside of MBJ himself Killmonger falls right into the demo to really be into anime. He went to MIT, I'm certain weebs make up a majority of the population lol

[–]shogi_x 517 points518 points  (11 children)

Yep. Even before MIT, he'd have been at the right age for Toonami showing Gundam Wing.

[–]Entity-2019 134 points135 points  (7 children)

OMG I can absolutely see a young Erik seriously identifying with those teenage terrorists.

[–]fishy-the-2nd 386 points387 points  (5 children)

I mean have you seen his costume, guy clearly likes vegeta

[–]Hwoods723Tony Stark 193 points194 points  (3 children)

Yep that flat out confirmed his suit was modeled after Saiyan Armor

[–]Drakeman1337Winter Soldier 95 points96 points  (0 children)

I didn't realize it in BP, but seeing it in animation it immediately clicked. I'm kicking myself for not noticing it sooner.

[–]KyfeHeartsword 437 points438 points  (9 children)

I gaurantee Michael B. Jordan had input on that line, he’s a big anime fan and loves mechs.

[–]Safyire 362 points363 points  (12 children)

And really cosplayed as Vegeta

[–]valarpizzaerisSteve Rogers 3807 points3808 points  (146 children)

"You believe the cure for human suffering, is more suffering?"

Chadwick been hitting me hard all season. It's a joy to keep hearing his voice in this show

[–]Hank_Scorpio3060 1675 points1676 points  (118 children)

Love Chadwick but this shows why T’Challa is such an important character

[–]valarpizzaerisSteve Rogers 3749 points3750 points  (32 children)

Erik "I'm playing both sides so that I always come out on top" Killmonger

[–]Groot746 1145 points1146 points  (5 children)

Killmonger is even more powerful than Country Mac, which is saying something

[–]upclassytyfightaDoctor Strange 214 points215 points  (1 child)

KIllmonger could totally pull off a badass duster as well

[–]thejameswhistler 212 points213 points  (1 child)

Erik with the big brain 5D chess game. Loved it. I actually think this is very in line with his character as portrayed previously in the MCU. It's pretty much his original plan, only started earlier and with more resources / tech at his disposal. Very fitting.

[–]gdo01 123 points124 points  (0 children)

Yea, it comes off smarter and more calculated. In the Black Panther movie, he pretty much only won over W’kabi and that was just because of finally punishing the killer of his parents. In this episode, he won over everybody other than Shuri and Potts.

[–]SeizerOfThoughtseize 422 points423 points  (1 child)

Killmonger taught the Wakandans how to give the drones an ocular patdown.

[–]Nolesman357Avengers 4523 points4524 points  (132 children)

Tony Stark has yet to survive an episode.

[–]battling_murdockDaredevil 1990 points1991 points  (61 children)

It's turning into a new Vision thing. Like how many times are we gonna have to watch this man die?

[–]Nolesman357Avengers 905 points906 points  (55 children)

What’s the official tally? Tony Stark is at 4 now and I think Vision is at 3 or 4 but I can’t remember.

[–]battling_murdockDaredevil 797 points798 points  (47 children)

Vision's gotta be at 5 or so, right? Like, twice in Infinity War, once in WandaVision, once in the zombie episode, does him dying in the Doctor Strange episode count, since everyone died in that one?

[–]jaelith 502 points503 points  (34 children)

This comparison only matters if comparing to Doctor Strange deaths; for everyone else, their episode 4 deaths just cancel out!

[–]ChintanP04Captain America 569 points570 points  (29 children)

The reminds me, Doctor Strange has the highest death count. He died thousands of times until Dormammu agreed to his terms.

[–]Orort 882 points883 points  (12 children)

I swear I heard the gollum half way through the episode.

[–]jaelith 555 points556 points  (3 children)

On his “Yes, yes, yes,” it was definitely Gollum

[–]LightTransmission 120 points121 points  (0 children)

Anything Andy Serkis does is mint

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 2261 points2262 points  (31 children)

Wakanda theme in the background while Black Panther wrecks Klaue's men, just amazing

[–]2nice4rice 635 points636 points  (14 children)

I got major batman vibes and now I want a black panther animated show.

[–]Igfhgi22 3382 points3383 points  (123 children)

The watcher getting clearer and clearer every episode

[–]jusper10 2638 points2639 points  (70 children)

Season finale it's just gonna be Jeffrey Wright's face

[–]NomadPrime 1639 points1640 points  (43 children)

Final episode is actually the Watcher appearing behind us in real life, watching us watch him in Marvel's What If?...on a metaversal level.

[–]ube1kenobiBucky 564 points565 points  (23 children)

if he shows up behind me we're going to have a problem.

[–]Hydraxion 563 points564 points  (10 children)

A low quality JPEG superimposed over the whole episode

[–]JDraksHawkeye (Avengers) 362 points363 points  (2 children)

Season 2's finale is just 30 minutes of an 8k jpeg of his face

[–]DadAsFuck 148 points149 points  (2 children)

staring wright into the audience’s soul

[–]bigC_94Korg 524 points525 points  (15 children)

It'd be funny if at the beginning of the last episode when he's doing his exposition in an establishing shot of some landscape, a person walks by and notices the 100ft tall giant in the distance just talking to himself lol

[–]icorrectpettydetails 259 points260 points  (3 children)

After superheroes, Norse gods and all number of alien invasions, random monologuing giants aren't even all that strange to them anymore.

[–]raisethecurtain 231 points232 points  (2 children)

At one point he was so large and clear, I was somewhat shocked none of the characters saw him too.

[–]Zemiakovy 315 points316 points  (16 children)

ಠ_ಠ

[–]SpaceballsTheReply 484 points485 points  (15 children)

Loved that face he was making as he watched Killmonger standing on the mountain. The Watcher really is just one of us.

"I know I can't interfere, but dammit, this timeline sucks."

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 3071 points3072 points  (77 children)

Oh no, the dated MySpace reference was dropped from the opening Humvee scene

[–]usaokay 2057 points2058 points  (6 children)

The true Nexus event.

[–]that_porn_account 770 points771 points  (1 child)

And what was your nexus event my lord?

I killed the MySpace reference

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 518 points519 points  (1 child)

What If Tony never mentioned MySpace?

[–]raisethecurtain 397 points398 points  (8 children)

That’s understandable but it was one of my favorite lines!

[–]Walnut-Simulacrum 170 points171 points  (7 children)

I only saw Iron Man for the first time in like 2015 so it never occurred to me that it was a dated reference and not explicitly a joke from Tony lol. Definitely sad that they didn’t use it

[–]WhoDoIThinkIAmVision 198 points199 points  (29 children)

So was the calendar model question

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 2878 points2879 points  (49 children)

Voice cast is stacked this week with Black Panther cast and emmy nominee Don Cheadle

[–]that_porn_account 1379 points1380 points  (22 children)

Paul Bettany reprising his role as JARVIS as well

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 1111 points1112 points  (14 children)

When I saw Bettany in the credits, my first thought was "huh, I wonder how Vision will fit into this" then I remembered JARVIS

[–]PKMNTrainerMark 1330 points1331 points 2 (2 children)

What is Vision if not JARVIS persevering?

[–]that_porn_account 322 points323 points  (4 children)

Right? It's been so long since he's that played that role that I almost forgot. I'm so glad he's all-in on his roles in the MCU. I feel like the entire cast of What If...? Is comprised of people who care about their roles.

[–]ComebackShane 204 points205 points  (3 children)

Did he really have just one line? I only recall hearing him when Tony and Killmonger were eating pizza.

[–]jacketpotatoo 115 points116 points  (1 child)

Yeah unfortunately, but he was mentioned a lot by name

[–]bigC_94Korg 915 points916 points  (17 children)

Also Grammy Award winning rapper Don Cheadle

[–]Wumbo619 584 points585 points  (11 children)

Also Mr. Captain Planet himself, Don Cheadle!!!!

[–]everadvancingWong 191 points192 points  (3 children)

Captain Planet motherfucker

[–]Wumbo619 67 points68 points  (2 children)

"Tree, tree, tree, tree, ...!!"

[–]Hurleydude2Thanos 1765 points1766 points  (29 children)

Tony dies v.4

[–]MaydietodayM'Baku 594 points595 points  (7 children)

He’s giving Vision a run for his money.

[–]spyder616Iron Man (Mark XLIII) 248 points249 points  (4 children)

you mean 14,000,610th death

[–]3bstfrds 2252 points2253 points  (26 children)

Who knew the turning point was Tony not mentioning myspace?

[–]JaylieJoy 1218 points1219 points  (13 children)

Killmonger heard that reference and decided not to save him after all.

[–]russketeer34 393 points394 points  (11 children)

I wonder if he really was undercover with the Ten Rings in the sacred timeline

[–]A-Guardian-RisesLoki (Avengers) 246 points247 points  (4 children)

I think the timelines add up, so probably

[–]racas 202 points203 points  (3 children)

No, it’s bullshit. That reporter called him out on it. Killmonger’s unit was far as fuck away from that battlefield, and Erik shouldn’t have been there to save Tony.

What I think happened (in both timelines) is that Erik did learn about the Ten Rings plot but not from his official military missions. Most likely from his underworld connections.

In the main MCU, Erik chose not to act on that knowledge. Maybe he thought conning Tony was too risky. In this What If… universe, however, he pulls the trigger on this wild af plot, and the rest is history.

[–]hemaredditSteve Rogers 124 points125 points  (1 child)

My theory is the turning point was a bit earlier. He said his father died by gang violence. He could have been lying about that, but it got me thinking: what if he wasn't.

If N'Jobu died by gang violence, not much would change, except Erik would hate the Wakanda royals a little less, want to change the system a little mote. Less consumed by veagence, more cool headed , more focused on the bigger agenda, and became a better player of 4D chess.

It would line up with him not directly going after TChaka and seems to ignore Zuri completely, and T'Chaka willing to trust the man even though he left claw marks in the man's heart - maybe it's because he didn't.

[–]trexeric 433 points434 points  (3 children)

I think that's just a result of the true turning point: in this universe, Myspace was never invented.

Obviously Tony doesn't mention it, but that's just the beginning. Without Myspace to serve as a distraction to their agents, the Department of Defense and the CIA were able to uncover the plot by Obadiah Stane and the Ten Rings to capture Tony Stark. While in the Sacred Timeline Killmonger was, at this time, obsessed with Myspace, taking eight extra years to even enter Wakanda, here he had enough free time to plot his takeover.

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 3206 points3207 points  (85 children)

Shuri being clearly younger is obvious in hindsight, but a nice touch nonetheless

[–]mysidian 1506 points1507 points  (11 children)

Took me a while to realize why she was so damn short.

[–]PK_RocknRoll 98 points99 points  (0 children)

I though the same thing.

I was like why is she so tiny.

[–]PoniesCanterOver 885 points886 points  (45 children)

Yeah there's a shot where she's standing next to adults and she was like two feet shorter than everybody else, I was like "Wha- oh yeah this is way earlier". I was also wondering how they dealt with Loki, but it was just too early, he hadn't shown up yet

[–]Kostya_M 206 points207 points  (26 children)

I feel like this is going to be a massive problem. Thor is probably going to play out mostly the same so what happens in this timeline when Loki and the Chitauri come to town and there's no Iron Man working with the Avengers?

[–]toxicity21 171 points172 points  (9 children)

Wakanda and the US would be deep in War. Captain America could be involved with that too.

Since Wakanda has the biggest Energy Source on the planet, Loki would probably go there to activate the Tesseract. The Wakandan Forces are way better suited to fight the Chitauri, so there is that.

It would be a way different outcome than in the sacred Timeline.

[–]poindexterg 179 points180 points  (5 children)

It plays out completely differently. There's no Stark Tower, so they may not go to New York. I'm sure Fury is trying to put some Avengers team together.

[–]KuchenjaegerAnt-Man 2502 points2503 points  (90 children)

"Probably not, but police are the law. I, want justice".

Pretty damn raw line.

[–]raisethecurtain 1012 points1013 points  (73 children)

So many of Tony’s lines were absolutely phenomenal.

[–]jacketpotatoo 759 points760 points  (16 children)

Mick Wingert did a great job of capturing RDJ’s mannerisms while still delivering that signature Tony stark snark

[–]mknskyBlack Panther 378 points379 points  (0 children)

That tax bracket line he threw at Pepper had me rolling. Top notch voice acting.

[–]Knightley4 214 points215 points  (8 children)

Yeah, after my initial dislike of the voice in the trailer, i enjoyed his performance here. While the voice is clearly not RDJ, they way he spoke was on point.

[–]cjfreel 1099 points1100 points  (44 children)

Kilmonger too. "the difference between you and me is that you don't see the difference between you and me."

[–]SilverPositiveSam Wilson 4775 points4776 points  (202 children)

That Wakanda Forever chant from Killmonger really wasn't it lol.

[–]RubberbandShooter 3264 points3265 points  (107 children)

Yeah, his is like "Wakanda, forever" and not "WAKANDAFOREVA". Shows his heart isn't really there.

[–]MTFBinyou 2164 points2165 points  (92 children)

Yep. You nailed it. In-universe they see him fighting for them and saying WF and he thinks it’s enough.

We hear it and even without seeing the rest of the episode can go, “this ain’t right”

Killmonger playing 4D chess, but Shuri living in 4D watching the episode with us.

[–]CUCOOPE 1215 points1216 points  (10 children)

He sounded more like “Wakanda whatever”

[–]SpaceballsTheReply 1120 points1121 points  (64 children)

Killmonger playing 4D chess

More like betrayal speedrunning.

  • Goes undercover in Ten Rings and betrays them to save Tony
  • Betrays Rhodey for the vibranium
  • Betrays Stark after getting caught
  • Meets back up with Klaue and immediately betrays him
  • Betrays Wakanda for more glory

This episode was 32 minutes, and he pulls off five backstabs. That's one dramatic betrayal every 6 minutes or so. Dude could give Revolver Ocelot a run for his money.

[–]TheWolfmanZ 261 points262 points  (8 children)

And we still didn't even get to see him get revenge for his Father either.

[–]Regi413 245 points246 points  (4 children)

The whole time he was with T’Chaka I was wondering when he would make the move to kill him because he knew T’Chaka killed his father.

[–]Vpeyjilji57The Mandarin 413 points414 points  (10 children)

That's more betrayal than a you can get from whole roomful of Lokis.

[–]raisethecurtain 181 points182 points  (0 children)

It was both the intent and the accent that completely threw me

[–]h3itsPhil Coulson 784 points785 points  (55 children)

Almost like it was intentional. He never really cared for Wakanda, it was all just a part of his plan for power.

[–]International-Fig905 704 points705 points  (51 children)

Definitely intentional.

MBJ is a good voice actor(voiced Cyborg fir a ton a DC animated films)- Killmonger doesn't embody or believe in Wakanda like at all- just what it can do for him.

I'm curious why he never killed T'Chaka?

[–]RubberbandShooter 593 points594 points  (17 children)

He didn't have to kill T'Chaka because he was already vulnerable enough. He had just lost his son, and then his nephew comes back out of nowhere, seemingly ignorant of the fact he murdered his dad, sparking a guilt trip. T'Chaka would do pretty much anything for Erik.

[–]JimmyTheFace 235 points236 points  (16 children)

It’s also possible that Killmonger!BP would orchestrate T’Chaka’s death at some later point, perhaps similarly to the UN bombing.

[–]NFB42 404 points405 points  (20 children)

I was expecting that, but really glad it didn't happen.

The Wakandans aren't stupid and definitely aren't weak. Killmonger certainly could find opportunity to kill T'Chaka, but there's no way he could hide it.

Wakanda is a nation of tradition and law. The reason why in Black Panther they accepted Killmonger is because he followed those laws and traditions: As a member of the royal family, it was in his right to challenge for the throne, T'Challa accepted that challenge and lost.

If in this timeline Killmonger just up and murdered T'Chaka, he wouldn't get the throne, he'd get publicly executed for treason. And if he challenged T'Chaka for the throne, I'm guessing that considering T'Chaka's age there's no way he'd fight himself but that the law would allow him to pick a champion or something like that -- in either case not a good strategy for Killmonger.

Part of the subtlety of both this What If episode and Black Panther is that Killmonger actually is not just a cartoon villain who lies and gets away with it because people are gullible.

Killmonger actually very cleverly emotionally manipulates people. In this episode he emotionally manipulates Stark's father issues, and he emotionally manipulates T'Chaka's guilt over having killed his brother to get T'Chaka to trust him and let him in. In Black Panther, Killmonger uses T'Challa's guilt over what happened to him to get T'Challa to give him the duel for the throne.

Yes Killmonger murders and backstabs a lot, but he's actually very smart about it. And there would've been nothing smart about going into Wakanda and just murdering the king willy nilly and expecting that to work. (If this has a continuation, I could totally see Killmonger still murdering T'Chaka though, especially now that he has managed to ingratiate himself and been made Black Panther.)

[–]A-Guardian-RisesLoki (Avengers) 124 points125 points  (0 children)

Wakanda.....

....

.... Forever!

[–]allnaturalflavor 157 points158 points  (1 child)

Sounds weird in an American accent huh?

[–]IceWarm1980 1017 points1018 points  (3 children)

You have to love how they recorded the test footage the way Tony did in the first Iron Man movie.

[–]Karkava 200 points201 points  (0 children)

No fire extinguishers this time...

[–]guyver423 1467 points1468 points  (41 children)

Killmonger dropping the hammer on Obadiah Stane

[–]PhoenixSelarom 1158 points1159 points  (28 children)

This motherfucker won me over with that bit only to break my heart over and over again afterward. If only Killmonger could have used his insane 5D chess knowledge for good.

[–]DeluxeTraffic 584 points585 points  (14 children)

He truly believes that he is using his knowledge and skills for good, that's what makes him such a great villain.

[–]LazyCookNxtdoor 176 points177 points  (1 child)

Definitely an Ends justify the Means kinda guy, in terms of "liberating his people from the oppressors".

[–]Spudtron98 696 points697 points  (4 children)

Dude bypassed the entire plot of the movie in a minute flat.

[–]Ubergoober166 279 points280 points  (1 child)

But circumvented the plot of Black Panther in the most roundabout way possible.

[–]vaids97 1852 points1853 points  (36 children)

Kilmonger was a weeb this entire time

[–]battling_murdockDaredevil 938 points939 points  (24 children)

What If...Killmonger was a violent otaku?

[–]MaydietodayM'Baku 553 points554 points  (20 children)

They key to taking Killmonger off of his game:

Tell him Saitama could solo Goku

[–]NomadPrime 201 points202 points  (6 children)

Killmonger inciting wars like Lelouch while cosplaying as Vegeta and building Gundams

[–]paijew 829 points830 points  (9 children)

That Panther suit looks so good animated!

[–]guyver423 1377 points1378 points  (19 children)

Wasn’t expecting to see the “I am Iron Man” scene animated 😭😭😭

[–]phrankygee 644 points645 points  (11 children)

And re-delivered by their RDJ impersonator. That guy did a great job.

[–]guyver423 706 points707 points  (4 children)

Killmonger playing every fucking side

[–]JaylieJoy 1573 points1574 points  (17 children)

Every time I hear "I'm the watcher" I think of Michael Keaton making fun of 'the shocker': "I'm the watcher, I watch people"

[–]valarpizzaerisSteve Rogers 1264 points1265 points  (12 children)

Jfc the animators went all out on Tony's cars. Those mfs looked sexy af lol

[–]Glitch200X 419 points420 points  (2 children)

Kinda thought they just overlaid the animation over a picture from the movies for a bit.

[–]valarpizzaerisSteve Rogers 677 points678 points  (17 children)

Yo Ramonda is a badass!

[–]calamitysir 199 points200 points  (0 children)

Ramonda as the head Dora is just fucking lit. Seeing her fight with Okoye is just amazing. Actually that whole scene with Killmonger is pure hype

[–]Affectionate_Bass488 339 points340 points  (8 children)

Yeah that was one of the coolest new pieces of knowledge to take from this episode

[–]FullMetalCOS 275 points276 points  (7 children)

It does kinda make sense that she’d be trained in the same manner as the Dora. Great to see.

[–]TheWolfmanZ 164 points165 points  (4 children)

I'm wondering if this means that she was part of the Dora when T'chaka was still Prince and that's how they met?

[–]The_OG_upgoat 231 points232 points  (3 children)

In the comics, the king's bride is selected from amongst the Dora Milaje iirc, so it might be a nod to that.

[–]allnaturalflavor 1430 points1431 points  (19 children)

Killmonger's armor really does look like Vegeta's

[–]3_Slice 312 points313 points  (0 children)

Love how clear the inspiration is when its drawn like this

[–]The__Auditor 223 points224 points  (9 children)

Honestly him loving anime makes his armor choice seem intentional lol

[–]guyver423 375 points376 points  (0 children)

He does love anime lol

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 1882 points1883 points  (32 children)

The emotional freight train of Kilmonger meeting T'Challa in the Ancestral Plane with Ludwig Göransson's score was unexpected but absolutely hit harder than I expected.

Heroes are never really gone, they live forever. RIP Chadwick

[–]PhoenixSelarom 889 points890 points  (8 children)

Seeing T'Challa's funeral as well as Ramonda shouting "for T'Challa" was emotional as well. All 3 appearances so far have been eerily fitting and prescient now. It makes me sad knowing we'll probably get something similar in Black Panther 2, only they'll have the time to make it hit 10x harder.

[–]HokageEzioCaptain America (Cap 2) 305 points306 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that whole movie is gonna end up being a tribute honestly. Gonna be sad.

[–]SpaceballsTheReply 390 points391 points  (12 children)

I was hoping Killmonger was just going to get eaten by some ancestral panthers. The Wakandans give him the heart shaped herb and he immediately dies from spiritual karmic justice.

[–]PersonalDemand3793 279 points280 points  (9 children)

The ancestral plane is amazingly non-judgmental, the one scene of Killmonger with his father is still my favorite scene in the MCU

It’s like the feeling of them being so past regular human struggles and they are simply talking about themselves and what they feel. Its amazing

[–]msalazar2011Daniel Sousa 588 points589 points  (13 children)

No, Rhodey!!! He deserved better.

[–]valarpizzaerisSteve Rogers 1065 points1066 points  (33 children)

Killmonger upgrading Stane's paralyzing device was an awesome callback!

[–]DadAsFuck 268 points269 points  (2 children)

killmonger on a killstreak

[–]valarpizzaerisSteve Rogers 1039 points1040 points  (28 children)

"What? I like anime"

I love this line considering MBJ wanted Killmonger's suit to resemble Vegeta's, and they gave it to him. I wonder what animes MBJ been watching since

[–]PhoenixSelarom 288 points289 points  (9 children)

Killmonger out hear playing fifth dimensional chess with Gundam's.

[–]NomadPrime 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Killmonger, sneaking behind T'Challa with a Sonic gun: "Nothing personal, cousin"

[–]SujayShah13 439 points440 points  (8 children)

"Heroes are not born, they're forged in darkness, shaped in battle, defined by sacrifice." - Watcher

[–]KuchenjaegerAnt-Man 431 points432 points  (38 children)

So the Watcher is just getting closer and closer with each episode?

[–]raisethecurtain 408 points409 points  (33 children)

He used to be in full shadow, almost translucent. Now he’s in color and so close. Something has to happen soon for him to intervene, right?

[–]KuchenjaegerAnt-Man 240 points241 points  (32 children)

Either Shuma-Gorath, or... maybe the one with perfect Ultron?

Ultron might be smart enough to figure out the multiverse existing.

I could see the last two episodes being one story, so he might decide to intervene at the end of next episode.

[–]bugcatcher_billy 118 points119 points  (14 children)

I hope Ultron discovers the mystic arts and masters them in like 15 minutes. An Ultron that can cast spells sounds so fun.

[–]AhsiqaThanos 205 points206 points  (5 children)

Holy shit, Killmonger starting a war with Wakanda is pretty metal ngl

[–]SilverPositiveSam Wilson 1532 points1533 points  (221 children)

Damn, Killmonger really is irredeemable.

[–]PhoenixSelarom 1416 points1417 points  (163 children)

Yea, I was pulling for a heroic alternate universe Killmonger so that Michael B. Jordan could come back at some point in the films but like... man this dude is just an asshole. Great villain, but man what a dick.

[–]IceColdPlasma 1091 points1092 points  (153 children)

The dude wanted to commit racial genocide on a global scale, I really don't see how people thought this guy was in any way redeemable.

[–]PhoenixSelarom 760 points761 points  (63 children)

I think most people, including myself, just wanted to see Michael B. Jordan come back. I figured somewhere in the multiverse there had to be a version that was a force for good. This... definitely wasn't it.

[–]Lanky_Chemical_3705 545 points546 points  (57 children)

Yeah I mean so far the multiverse even features a redeemed Thanos, for goodness's sake! I guess the key is that you need a universe where T'Chaka doesn't kill N'Jobu.

[–]Lazy0ak 303 points304 points  (35 children)

I think you need to go further. You need a universe where the Wakandans don't hide their power and instead get involved on a global scale of improving human life and fighting injustice. That way N'jobu doesn't teach Killmonger about needing to get vengeance against their oppressors and raising their people up to power. That probably creates all sorts of crazy differences though where most of the marvel heroes probably never come to be.

[–]International-Fig905 256 points257 points  (13 children)

I saw the first trailer thinking maybe he would become a hero.

But Killmonger not here for that babyface shit.

[–]BookDragonn 186 points187 points  (0 children)

“Heroes, are never really gone. They live forever. . .”RIP Chadwick

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 518 points519 points  (7 children)

Definitely a downer to see a coffin with T'Challa in it.... :(

[–]lukiiiiii 1183 points1184 points  (88 children)

Im loving What If…? but i cant help but be a little frustrated that every episode seems to finish at the most interesting part. I would have loved to have seen what happened with Ego and Peter, or what happens when Zombie Thanos snaps with the gauntlet. Hopefully we see some of this stuff later on, or in season 2.

[–]NomadPrime 531 points532 points  (15 children)

Totally. Things like evil Strange getting trapped in his pocket universe felt pretty conclusive, but in this and other stories, it felt like we just don't get an ending. A "to be continued" more like. But we could probably guess the eventual conclusion to each of those stories.

Here, I can see: Killmonger gets the BP armor and Wakanda starts gearing for war. The two sides are about to clash when Suri/Pepper spring the evidence on both nations and Killmonger's machinations laid bare. He gets cornered by both sides who hold a temporary truce, but he's skilled and smart so he gets away. But falls right for a trap Suri and Pepper (and maybe Jarvis, Happy, and Okoye?) lay for him, using the same sonic weapon he used to kill T'Challa.

[–]n3verendRThor 295 points296 points  (10 children)

I think they are setting up for some kind of "What if...?" Avengers type episode with all the "to be continued" sort of endings.

[–]Redditfront2back 112 points113 points  (4 children)

I hope that would so fucking cool, if like the finale was just the multiversal avengers jumping to each universe to save them.

[–]Ultimate_Gamer15 147 points148 points  (13 children)

Judging by the mid season trailer I think we will

[–]NomadPrime 134 points135 points  (12 children)

Does it hint at a final Avengers style meetup episode between all of these What If heroes? I'm hoping that's what it is personally. Just the Watcher going "Fuck this watching shit" and finally interfering against a greater multiversal threat.

[–]valarpizzaerisSteve Rogers 789 points790 points  (11 children)

Even in alternate timelines, Killmonger still exposing people with receipts lmao love it

[–]NomadPrime 192 points193 points  (3 children)

Man just loves playing that 5d chess and being smarter than everyone in the room. But it's always the ones he underestimates that turn things around on him in the end (and I guess the plot armor that protected T'Challa from dying in that fall in the BP movie, too).

[–]CAdreamsSpider-Man 516 points517 points  (14 children)

Killmonger is playing 4D chess y’all

[–]LittleYellowFish1Nebula 271 points272 points  (0 children)

What? I like anime.

I knew it!

[–]PhanThief95 134 points135 points  (3 children)

Killmonger: Betrays every person he comes into contact with in a half hour of screentime

Loki: “How the Hel did he do that?”

[–]17xandcountingstill 112 points113 points  (0 children)

Hi Auntie

[–]russketeer34 688 points689 points  (11 children)

Oh fuck Killmonger. Nobody kills Rhodey or T'Challa.

Edit: Motherfucker killed Tony too. What a goddamn asshole.

[–]bjkmanIron Man (Mark XLIII) 576 points577 points  (13 children)

Whoa... I just remembered Jeff Bridges character in Iron Man was "Iron Monger" so honestly we're just swapping an Iron Monger for a Killmonger

[–]ComebackShane 169 points170 points  (3 children)

I had thought the suit Stark and he made was going to be him becoming Ironmonger, but for the good guys. Then the episode …. took a turn, lol.

[–]crystalxclear 657 points658 points  (26 children)

Can’t believe there will be only 3 episodes left after this!! I’m gonna miss all this randomness lol

[–]PNPBOi 1055 points1056 points  (50 children)

'The difference between you and me... is that you cant see the difference between you and me."

What a dope line from Killmonger.

[–]TopazureAnt-Man 629 points630 points  (4 children)

Tony was probably wondering what that meant for the rest of his life

[–]BookDragonn 195 points196 points  (0 children)

Queen Ramonda is a badass

[–]RubberbandShooter 714 points715 points  (37 children)

Lil' ass Shuri really just fucking went to the US unnoticed by anyone there or Wakanda and then proceeded to infiltrate Stark Industries like it was nothing? Worthy of being the next Panther by that alone, lmao.

[–]NomadPrime 248 points249 points  (21 children)

I was thrown off by how small Suri was before I remembered this all took place 10ish years before the first BP movie. If the actors and characters were canonically similar in age, T'Challa was around 31 in this episode, Killmonger was 21, and Shuri was 15. Funny that Killmonger didn't change much over the course of 10 years.

[–]TheIrishBear24Heimdall 82 points83 points  (5 children)

Loki boutta pop off in New York tho

[–]caliguy420 151 points152 points  (8 children)

My predictions:

  • They're purposefully leaving us with cliffhangers because all of the cliffhangers will be solved in the season finale.
  • With the leaked promotional materials of all the variants from the multiverse joined under the moniker "The Guardians of the Multiverse," I see the watcher recruiting the different hero variants to deploy to the different universes to help solve the issues.
  • With that said, it's why we saw in the midseason trailer how Supreme Dr. Strange was sent w Party Thor to zombie earth because Supreme Dr. Strange is stronger than zombie Wanda and will take her down while party Thor will take on Zombie Thanos.
  • I see GOTG T'Challa taking on Killmomger in the continuation of this episode helping to stop the war between Wakanda and USA.
  • And more than likely Capt Carter will take on Loki's Army w both Iron Rogers and Capt America Rogers.
  • It will somehow all culminate with them fighting Ultron Vision. (It's a stretch)

What are your preductions?

[–]bjkmanIron Man (Mark XLIII) 565 points566 points  (51 children)

Question: What If... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?

Answer:

  • After the Humvee attack that begins the events of "Iron Man", Killmonger is there to protect Iron Man, which stops the creation of the suit
  • Stark's first interview back isn't shutting down the weapons divisions, instead it's changing it.
  • Killmonger begins to work with Stark Industries
  • Obidiah Stane's work with the Ten Rings is uncovered by Killmonger, stopping him.
  • Pepper Potts doesn't get the CEO job with Tony not being affected by his time captured in Afghanistan.
  • instead of the Iron Man suit, Stark creates Drones controlled by Jarvis
  • No creation of Miniature Arc Reactor. Instead Stark uses Vibranium
  • To get more Vibranium they start an Arms Deal with Klaue, in the middle of it, Killmonger kills Rhodes and Black Panther,
  • Killmonger kills Stark, blames it on Wakanda and the US Military takes over Stark Industry's assets to attack Wakanda.
  • Killmonger infiltrates Wakanda with the guise he's there to help, but uses Stark's drones and becomes the new Black Panther.
  • Potts gets help from Shuri to avenge Stark

Join the conversation and reply with anything I missed off the top of my head!

Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, Episode 4, Episode 5

[–]MoonChild02Peggy Carter 293 points294 points  (29 children)

If you're looking for more long-term effects:

Because none of this happens, Tony never finds the other element that helps him with the poisoning that almost kills him, and that also improves arc reactor technology.

And because there's no arc reactor technology, there's no clean energy being pushed by Stark Industries.

Also, this timeline is devoid of Ultron, which means there's also no Vision, and Scarlet Witch never joins the Avengers. It also means no Zemo, no Civil War, no Avengers split, which also means Spider-Man likely doesn't join the team — unless maybe Shuri scouts him.

[–]JustYourFriendAL 71 points72 points  (5 children)

T'Challa's father isn't doing a great job reading between the lines or just understanding what's in his face. lol

Killmonger: "If I had the chance to get revenge for my father I'd stop at nothing."
T'Challa's Father: "Seems legit. Want the black panther powers?"

[–]cgcs20 71 points72 points  (2 children)

I’m starting to think that Tony dying may be an absolute point in time…

[–]coreycmalone 262 points263 points  (5 children)

Gundams are now MCU canon. What a time to be alive.

[–]Guardian_Of_Light2 134 points135 points  (3 children)

Kinda hoped this what if lead to what if Killmonger was a hero or What If Tony became a villain in his anger and grief?

Clever plan of Killmonger I admit. Was worried it would be beat for beat Black Panther there for a sec.

[–]neocinnaminKilgrave 129 points130 points  (9 children)

I wonder if Romanda being a General leading the Dora Milaje will play a role in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, or if it's just a multiverse thing for this episode