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[–]KismetKentrosaurus 6449 points6450 points  (128 children)

Love it when cops go from screaming stuff like "This is the last time I'm asking you. I PROMISE that!" To... "You want to scream, I'm just trying to talk to you. Let me know when you're ready to talk."

[–]Lexi_Banner 3886 points3887 points  (52 children)

It's classic gaslighting. Threaten first, and then, when the victim is riled up, change your own behavior and make them seem like the aggressor.

[–]chrismamo1 530 points531 points  (16 children)

DARVO - Deflect, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender.

[–]chef_ry_ 21 points22 points  (3 children)

DENNIS - Demonstrate Value, Engage Physically, Nurture Dependence, Neglect Emotionally, Inspire Hope, Separate Entirely

[–]Commander_Keef 948 points949 points  (5 children)

Nah it starts with being real innocent "hey, yeah we just wanna talk to the kids" until the mom asks questions, then they get to threaten to rile her up.

[–]Putin_kills_kids 551 points552 points  (24 children)

They know exactly what they are doing. They do it all the time.

It's abusive and harassment.

Cops suck.

[–]Thameus 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Since the ATF does not enforce jaywalking laws, what the fuck was this actually about?

[–]Kristinatre 15.7k points15.7k points  (1510 children)

It was Lorain, OH. They charged her with obstruction, she has filed a complaint and is considering a lawsuit.

[–]system_deform 4457 points4458 points  (1238 children)

Excerpt from police report:

On February 15th, 2023 I was operating as a member of the Lorain Patrol Impact Team targeting high crime areas throughout the City of Lorain, Ohio. I was driving an unmarked Ford Taurus equipped with emergency lights and sirens. I was also dressed in plain clothes with “Police” identifiers displayed on the exterior of my vest, making myself readily identifiable as a Police Officer. It should be known that ATF Special Agent Fabrizio was also in my patrol vehicle at this time. On this date at approximately 1539 hours, we were patrolling the intersection of W. 27th Street and Reid Avenue. It should be noted that on 7/26/2022 a shooting had occurred between a group of juveniles in the area of 126 W. 27th Street and the surrounding area is a known hot spot for shots fired incidents and weapons violation complaints. While patrolling this intersection, S.A. Fabrizio and I observed three males who appeared to be juveniles with there hands in both hooded sweatshirt pockets and their waistbands while looking around their immediate area. Through my prior training and experience, this type of behavior is an indicator that the person may be both armed and checking their surroundings.

S.A. Fabrizio and went around the block to the intersection of W. 27th Street and Broadway Avenue and observed the males illegally cross the road not in a posted cross walk and began approaching the residence of 126 W. 27th Street. Due to this observed traffic violation, I approached the above listed residence and activated my emergency lights and sirens in an attempt to initiate a traffic stop for this violation on the three individuals while they were approaching the house in the front yard. S.A. Fabrizio exited the passenger side and advised the males to stop and to come back to our patrol vehicle. The males acknowledged our presence by looking back at our patrol vehicle and quickly made their way up the front steps to the residence and entered and refused to exit. A female (later identified as Mary Hildreth) came to the front door and began yelling at both S.A. Fabrizio and I as well as asking what we were doing and what the problem was.

[–]blackkatana 6939 points6940 points  (255 children)

So the officer wanted to talk to them about not crossing at a crosswalk? That is not illegal in ohio as long as the road is not between two signaled intersections.

Source ORC https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4511.48

[–]thewanderingsail 1437 points1438 points  (54 children)

Just like pretty much everywhere else on the country. It would be completely ridiculous to expect someone to walk an entire half block out of their way to cross at the corner when they are right in front of their house.

[–]snafe_ 1751 points1752 points  (44 children)

a female...began yelling

I think you'll find that you raised your voice and yelling first Mr Sgt Dipshit.

[–]Bikinisbottom 55 points56 points  (1 child)

It’s why he’s the “special” agent.

[–]friendlyheathen11 2275 points2276 points  (163 children)

It should be noted that there are a total of 4-5 lies in this excerpt 😂

[–]Unlucky_Milk4214 836 points837 points  (33 children)

Cops ALWAYS lie if it will be in their benefit.

[–]dohboy420 628 points629 points  (10 children)

Way to go look up THE MOST RECENT CASE that happened at that intersection. I’m sure you had that shooting from six months ago at the forefront of your mind when stopping these minors with extreme prejudice.

[–]eonone1 160 points161 points  (4 children)

Exactly. Could have pulled up literally any unsolved crime nearby and used that as a reason. Jokers.

[–]definetlymaybe 457 points458 points  (25 children)

Why does this report not sound like it was written by the same knuckle dragging officers at the scene, but rather a lawyer that knows it must cover all that shit up in neutered language?

[–]Willllyum 382 points383 points  (10 children)

Because writing these reports is the one thing they do receive training for

[–]designgoddess 359 points360 points  (109 children)

So they were lying, which they’re allowed to do, about why they wanted to question the kids. You don’t have to talk the police in this situation. Ask for a warrant and shut the door. They might find a judge who gives them one they might not. Did they get a warrant for the kids or just the mom?


[–]Nabber86 134 points135 points  (35 children)

Don't even tell them to get a warrant. Just smile and lock the door.

[–]mr-louzhu 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Something tells me they wouldn’t hesitate to bust down the door and make up some excuse that gets them off the hook for it.

[–]romansamurai 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Yup and probably kill the barking dog while at it. Fucking assholes.

[–]Violetwand666 676 points677 points  (54 children)

S.A. Fabrizio and I observed three males who appeared to be juveniles with there hands in both hooded sweatshirt pockets

With THERE hands ...

Illiterate fuck

[–]Br0cephous 8874 points8875 points  (345 children)

The ATF worried about jay walking now? Gotta change the name to ATFJ I guess…

[–]shig23 3784 points3785 points  (79 children)

Turns out it was Alcohol, Tobacco, and Feet all along

[–]luminousrobot 644 points645 points  (49 children)

In the second half of the video, posted below, they claim the kids were walking as if they had firearms and that’s why they attempted a stop. Talk about bullshit

[–]lonedreadx 774 points775 points  (29 children)

It’s the Afterschool Teen Force.

[–]Negative_Newspaper67 354 points355 points  (19 children)

Probably hoping there was a dog nearby they could shoot at. (Not sure why but ATF seem to be the most responsible for law enforcement shooting random people's dogs.)

[–]Olysses02 7751 points7752 points  (208 children)

Police abusing their power is just the worst

[–]jhuntinator27 2793 points2794 points  (75 children)

"Law applied to its extreme is the greatest injustice"

Not surprised it was the ATF.

[–]rallyspt08 443 points444 points  (25 children)

Should get them charged with trespass, harassment, and terroristic threats. If it was a normal civilian doing these things, they'd face years in prison for this kind of shit.

[–]Variac97 246 points247 points  (9 children)

Armed, and armored jack boot thugs show up to this mom’s door demanding that she send her children out to them?! Fuuuuuck that! Good on this mom. What a fucked up world.

[–]Slobbadobbavich 2430 points2431 points  (156 children)

How on earth are you supposed to cross the road on a residential street?

[–][deleted] 5760 points5761 points  (200 children)

When you have nothing better to do at your job:

[–]Keepitcleanbois 2564 points2565 points  (162 children)

The thing is, Lorain is full of actual crime. They just don’t address it

[–]zakiducky 1283 points1284 points  (61 children)

Because that would require them to do actual work.

[–]Normal-Yogurtcloset5 301 points302 points  (12 children)

Actual criminals may really be packing and willing to fire at police. Messing with teens who crossed a street in a residential neighborhood is a lot safer.

[–]StanPinesOfficial 186 points187 points  (3 children)

Dude was honestly upset he was told no. He believes he has enough authority to bully, and it got shoved back to him.

[–]Healthy-Transition27 2203 points2204 points  (110 children)

Since when does the ATF enforce traffic laws? Where are the FBI, DEA, NSA, CIA, and Secret Service?

[–]SaraSmashley 340 points341 points  (22 children)


[–]PoliteCanadian2 20 points21 points  (1 child)


[–]ThatNateHitch 6005 points6006 points  (384 children)

If you don’t have a warrant then get off my property

[–]jerry111165 418 points419 points  (22 children)

Naw man - its:


[–]baconizlife 3301 points3302 points  (230 children)

This is the way. “Come back with a warrant” and slam the door. Fuck these power tripping man babies! ACAB

[–]Historical-Disk 895 points896 points  (106 children)

Never open the door in the first place. Always talk through the door (or window in this case) when speaking to LEOs at your home.

Edit: Or doorbell camera with a mic and speaker.

[–]Fuck_Flying_Insects 420 points421 points  (63 children)

Dont talk to law enforcement period. There's literally nothing good that can come from doing it so why do it?

[–]Historical-Disk 555 points556 points  (50 children)

I'm Black in the U.S. south. Refusing to speak with them at all would probably get me killed or assaulted.

I speak respectfully, but I'm very measured with my responses. If I could avoid conversation with them completely while having any significant amount of certainty that I would come out unscathed I would.

[–]Peter-Rabbi 913 points914 points  (27 children)

Yep! I was screaming this at the screen.

Can you imagine them going back in to their supervisor to get the warrant? “I need to utilize this time and resources to teach these three children a lesson about where to cross the street…”

[–]duchessofdilaudid 445 points446 points  (23 children)


Here's a link to the full video.

[–]Calm-Heat-5883 2558 points2559 points  (57 children)

Everyone of those cops needs to be fired. None of them knew what was the right action. They showed up as intimidation. Bully boys in uniform are not needed.

[–]dharmanautMF 1593 points1594 points  (31 children)

Cops on some power trip per usual

[–]Andee87yaboi 454 points455 points  (10 children)

Videos like this should be blasted on the mainstream news outlets. We cannot allow cops to get away with this kind of shit. This is tame compared to the fatal power trips were all familiar with.

[–]DynamicHunter 104 points105 points  (9 children)

Cops have literally zero de-escalation training.. they are trained to escalate and throw a hissy fit and threaten anybody to get their way. What cowards. I bet they went home to beat their wives after they couldn’t question those 3 hoodlums for JAYWALKING 😡

[–]AntRevolutionary925 285 points286 points  (10 children)

I had a Detroit cop tell me she was going to write me a ticket for j walking. I told her she’d have to catch me first (she was a little heavier). She just rolled out eyes at me and yelled at the next person j walking.

This was also downtown Detroit by the arena, much different decision. I don’t junk I’d even respond if I was in a residential area. They just wanted a reason to search these teens.

[–]DryCrack321 557 points558 points  (96 children)

OP, where’s part two?

[–]duchessofdilaudid 629 points630 points  (91 children)

[–]liquefire81 343 points344 points  (18 children)

“Hey, so we saw your kids jailwalking and its a busy street so they should be careful, have a nice day”

Should have been what they said if really concerned.

[–]Virtual_Ball6 780 points781 points  (34 children)

"Cops" they're dressed like insurgents.

[–]bros89 329 points330 points  (23 children)

Lol trying to look al badass with the beard and backwards baseball cap, probably failed special forces selection haha.

[–]Playful_Blacksmith68 2015 points2016 points  (120 children)

Go mama bear! That’s ridiculous that they needed 7-8 police officers to “arrest” 3 teens for Jay waking.

Which is also stupid because I’ve never been in a residential neighborhood that has crosswalks except maybe in NYC. 🙃🙃🙃


[–]Ghost_Face21 488 points489 points  (44 children)

I'm not a lawyer and I have lived in NY, NJ and SC as an adolescent. We never used the side walk and never used the cross walk. Jay walking has never been a problem. I am under the impression that they would only stop a Jay walker if it's affecting the flow of traffic. In other words cop's don't really care about Jay walkers.....

[–]giggling_hero 48 points49 points  (5 children)

In Texas as long as both ends of the street have stop signs and not traffic lights it is legal to cross at any point after yielding to traffic.

[–]Playful_Blacksmith68 280 points281 points  (11 children)

I had a brother who got a ticket for jaywalking but he and his friends were literally dancing in the street and flipping drivers off. I understand going after someone like that.

But these kids were just waiting to pick someone up and it sounds like they don’t have crosswalks.

It really seems like the cops were just bored and looking for someone to bully and they picked the wrong mama…

[–]Angela_I_B 73 points74 points  (2 children)

So, basically a ticket for jaywalking, but actually obstruction and disorderly conduct

[–]Playful_Blacksmith68 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think they only did that since he was under age. I think it might’ve been an obstruction and disorderly conduct ticket if they were older.

[–]Fjordvic 212 points213 points  (15 children)

5 words to remember “come back with a warrant”

[–]Bawbawian 1046 points1047 points  (8 children)

yeah nope.

I wouldn't be sending my kids outside to speak to murderers who clearly want to escalate everything.

[–]wingwraith 200 points201 points  (1 child)

Seriously, they were probably hoping to bust knuckles on some kids

[–]Hot-Specialist-6824 167 points168 points  (12 children)

Jaywalking was a pretext, they thought the teens looked 'suspicious' because they had their hands inside their hoodies or pockets and were 'looking around'. That's such bullshit, it's not probable cause.

[–]Goodolchuckno 147 points148 points  (6 children)

Great use of tax dollars and a ton of police over reach. This is not how you do this. Who the hell would give their kids up to the ATF for jaywalking?

[–]BAYKON8R 138 points139 points  (5 children)

Say “Get a warrant” and shut the door

[–]mo177 43 points44 points  (2 children)

This is what it looks like when cops literally have nothing better to do

[–]Mr-Snarky 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Imagine that. A bunch of roided out tough guy cops trying so show kids they are the “alpha males”. ACAB.

[–]AgileInternet167 218 points219 points  (20 children)

Land of the free

[–]DragonDanno 272 points273 points  (10 children)

And they wonder why no one trusts or likes them. Fuck the police. No help when you need them, and nothing but a hassle when you're minding your own business.

[–]LetNotTalkaboutIt 205 points206 points  (41 children)

Wtf is wrong with American police force.

[–]Cobdain 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Ah yes the ATFJ “ alcohol, tobacco, firearms, jaywalking

[–]MouthFullOfCake[🍰] 30 points31 points  (9 children)

Could a person just say "no thanks" and go back inside and watch letterkenny? Serious question.

[–]Sir_Nuttsak 474 points475 points  (34 children)

An old guy I used to know was once harassed by police because he was standing on the sidewalk taking pictures. The police evidently started out with bad attitudes, telling him he couldn't just take pictures of a house. This old guy was always polite, but an ornery old s.o.b. He just politely told them yes, he could take pictures and they should leave, in turn infuriating the officers. He requested they call the sheriff which they finally did. The sheriff showed up, the officers explained the situation to the sheriff. I guess he tore them a new asshole. I'm sure this old man was getting a kick from it too. The sheriff asked them if they ever asked the old man whose house it was. The officers said no. He let them know, this is that old man's house, he was taking pictures of his own house. After the officers left with a promise from their angry supervisor for a reprimand back at the station, the sheriff told the old man "Rodney, you're an asshole" and then they shared a good laugh about it. Oh yea, they were friends too and had been for years lol, had lunch together regularly.

[–]Dizzy_Green 217 points218 points  (12 children)

Imagine if he hadn’t been someone the Sheriff knew...

[–]payment11 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I would do the same thing as the old man.

[–]Thesisus 29 points30 points  (5 children)

I would have said, " You're right. It's not up for debate. Come back with a warrant." And closed the door. Recording them until they left of course.

[–]StrYker_Tripple 63 points64 points  (5 children)

Are police officers really so bored that they have nothing better to do?

Also 'When youre done screaming, ill talk to you'. Literally half a minute before:. MAM SEND THEM OUT RIGHT NOWWWW'

[–]TripWilson3 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I feel like the ATF agents got into law enforcement for the sole reason of dressing like dipshits.

[–]Gtronns 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I dont usually throw the word tyrant out for cops, but did you hear this guy??

[–]SciGuy45 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Fucking ATF for jaywalking.