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[–]def-not-a-dude-here 3023 points3024 points  (525 children)

I cant imagine any parents willingly letting their child take part in this...

Edit: its funny that so many people are pissed off at this comment😂

[–]perfectvelvet 2149 points2150 points  (218 children)

There's a really telling scene in Borat Brüno where he asks parents to approve all sorts of awful stuff for their kids. People see money and they lose their common sense.

(Edited to correct film name - thanks!)

[–]karmagod13000 815 points816 points  (148 children)

ya that was a real eye opener. makes me worry about whats already happened with child stars

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 728 points729 points  (119 children)

That’s simple, they’ve been getting pimped out as sex toys for as long as child stars have existed

[–]karmagod13000 285 points286 points  (65 children)

this sentence just made me throw up in my mouth

[–]BLOCK_OF_JADE 162 points163 points  (49 children)

...where else would you throw up?

[–]Barry_Balzak 131 points132 points  (9 children)

The floor...

[–]MMA1793 73 points74 points  (5 children)

Barry? Is that how you get ants?

Yes it is other Barry, yes it is.

[–]juco4 19 points20 points  (16 children)

out of my nose

[–]Fruitjustlistens 60 points61 points  (13 children)

Oh man, saw a girl do this once. Said she had something stuck way up in there the next day she couldn't get out. Tried blowing with no luck. Another girl had her lay down and blew hard into her mouth and it shot out onto her face.

[–]padfoot_12 94 points95 points  (5 children)

It would have cost you nothing to keep that to yourself.

[–]CarmineFields 13 points14 points  (2 children)

The joy they got from sharing is priceless!

[–]bleedinginkmusic 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Out of your mouth

[–]2drawnonward5 18 points19 points  (3 children)

It’s been true since the start and we’ve all been told so many times. The scene in Borat is telling enough about what people will do for money; the fact that Hollywood made it so long with so many evil felonies with so few reproductions, THAT is telling about what people will do to ignore problems. Bread and circuses, man.

[–]Kalel2319 132 points133 points  (22 children)

I have a very attractive daughter and ever since she was a toddler every single person in my family and friend group has tried to push me into getting her started in a modeling career.

She’s 13 now and I’ve had to tell so many people that I don’t want to put my daughter at risk in such a disgusting industry. I’m always looked at like I’m making a huge mistake. If she wants to pursue it when she’s of age and a little wiser that’s her business. But no way in hell am I going to take my daughter to a kid rape factory.

[–]koushakandystore 22 points23 points  (2 children)

There are parents who pull it off, getting their kids work in the industry while simultaneously protecting them. Predators will stay away from kids with parents who set strong boundaries. Just like in any circumstance, pedos are looking for marks with the least protection. But there is another insidious problem for young people working in the industry. That is being on public display during the most awkward years of your life. Sometimes the public looks at really attractive younger people and assumes they are totally confident. Nothing could be further from the truth. I grew up in SoCal around lots of very attractive young people, and they were no less insecure than anyone else. So I applaud you for keeping your daughter away from all that shit for now. Perhaps starting her slowly in some local theater groups would be a way to help her use her innate gifts while also building self esteem while surrounded by compassionate people. Just an idea if she does want to go that route. But I don’t see what the big deal is either way. So many people make that industry seem so desirable. I grew up around that stuff and it isn’t so damn glamorous.

[–]Jedison89 30 points31 points  (5 children)

I heard they auditioned like 600 different girls for these roles.

[–]wrat11 26 points27 points  (8 children)

You mean like Brooke Shields when she was a minor in both movies and that really tasteful Jordache jeans ad.

Edit *jeans

[–]ReclaimNerdPoints 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Plus being put into a playboy book when she was a child. Honestly it's disgusting. The courts failed her when she tried to protect her rights too (when she was older).

[–]Supermonkeyjam 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I remember watching blue lagoon when I was a kid and had the hots for her. When I was older with money, I wanted to buy a copy to add to my dvd collection cough . There were no copies at all at this point and found out that she was only 14 when the movie was made, hence no longer being sold. Couldn't believe they let kids do movies like that, kinda makes sense that teenagers are played by twenty something's nowadays

[–]titsahoy1 26 points27 points  (6 children)

Yeah man I remember there was like a count down until Hillary Duff was legal. Kinda fucked.

[–]Glittering-Ad-6942 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Millie Bobby Brown has one going on right now and I remember Emma Watson had one too. :/// its so gross

[–]MollyElise 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When you think about it, it's very openly out there and society has just kind of accepted it cause I mean, they are getting paid and their parents are ok with it....

[–]RedditingMyLifeAway 46 points47 points  (13 children)

Corey Feldman has entered the chat

[–]Milsurp_Seeker 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Macaulay Culkin has also entered the chat.

[–]Jedison89 28 points29 points  (4 children)

At least he still can; Corey Haim killed himself.

[–]neko_ceko 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Child acting is child labour, change my mind

[–]JesusX12 83 points84 points  (6 children)

I think that might be Brüno not Borat but I could be wrong.

[–]BillNyesHugePenis 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Nope you’re right. It was bruno!

[–]perfectvelvet 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Thank you, I questioned myself when I typed it.

[–]ohnobrothatsucks[🍰] 119 points120 points  (17 children)

Same with Nathan For You! Basically tells parents he’s set up his Harry Houdini like trick where he is tied up and has to escape, before this robot arm takes off his pants and exposes his genitalia to a large group of kids, and the parents say it’s okay, and he triple asks them that they’re totally okay with the risk of his genitalia being exposed to their children and they say “yeah :D “

[–]SpatialThoughts 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Wtf?

[–]StealthSov 69 points70 points  (0 children)

it was a comedy central sketch, basically the idea was that instead of risking death like other magicians, he would risk something worse, being a registered sex predator for life. I don't think it would've ever actually happened even though the video is pretty convincing

[–]CubonesDeadMom 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He wanted to risk something worse than death, so his idea was being a registered child sex offender is worse than death. Sounds really weird in writing but the show is absolutely hilarious. Pretty sure he had a way to prevent it from happening if he couldn’t get his hands undone fast enough though

[–]monkey15162 20 points21 points  (9 children)

I mean, lets be honest, there was no chance he was actually gonna expose himself.

[–]ohnobrothatsucks[🍰] 21 points22 points  (8 children)

Totally but did the parents know that?? Even putting their children in the sketch if it was a joke and he wasn’t going to expose himself is still weird

[–]TheSkyIsNotRed 124 points125 points  (33 children)

I can. Child pageants have been a thing for years. Child actors often get extremely messed up. Narcissistic parents will exploit their children for money without a second thought.

[–]SubMikeD 44 points45 points  (17 children)

Why? Parents let their kids do these 'dance' competitions all the time, and those aren't make believe, they're real.

[–]fifth-account- 21 points22 points  (1 child)

When I was younger I loved Dance Moms. There were 2 episodes that I think never aired again, 1 I know for certain. The one I know for certain? a fan dance. like in Vegas. They wore nude tops and had giant fan feathers and were holding them and uncovering their chests to the music. The other episode? the girls were in a costume dressed just like the girls in the end of cuties. The kids loved dance. I wanted to be like them. Thought it was totally okay.

[–]PureMitten 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I loved Dance Moms because I loved how much those kids loved dancing. I wish it had been more of a show about kids who love dancing than a show about shitty adults puppeting kids around and using them and their ambitions for petty backstabbing bullshit.

I have no idea how you'd make a show about kids who just love dancing, I have a feeling it'd be more about following a few dance troupes as they prepare for The Big Show. Or maybe having an A and B plot where one troupe was getting everything on lock and was competing that week and another was just starting to learn their routine for a different show. That way you'd have 2-episode arcs for each routine to get you to come back next week. It could cycle through like 5 teams to give them a more reasonable amount of time to prepare for each competition while also letting you get familiar with the "characters" and build longer term "plots" across the series. And then maybe they could have a big episode at the end of a season where all the teams come together to revisit and showcase their favorite routine of the year.

Ok, I thought of that while writing that but I'd super watch that.

Edit: also, dances themed around children being sexy or prostitutes would be banned. I just like shows about people who love doing what they're doing

[–]WorkingContext 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think what’s interesting about this whole thing is that it is depicting a very real thIng in our society about young girls wanting to be older and exploring these kinds of things with plenty little adult oversight.

The issue with this movie is that you can depict all that without focusing on these children doing it for extended scenes

[–]SilentMaster 3106 points3107 points 2223& 3 more (1214 children)

I watched this movie just so I could form my own opinions. I tried very very hard to not allow myself to become outraged and I tried to watch it through a cultural perspective lens. That being said, it was a bad movie. The story was bad, the writing wasn't good, and the acting was only mediocre. I especially felt the behavior of the lead girl to be crazy, she wasn't likable, her actions were terrible, and while she did realize the error of her ways the way this happened made no sense and was incredibly unsatisfying.

As for the controversy I felt like what the kids were doing was probably the kinds of things kids do as they grow up and try to find themselves so those behaviors in the context of the movie is probably fine. I also found it entirely unbelievable that the second 4 little girls decide to enter a racy twerking contest the judges didn't say, "Sorry, adults only, go home."

The problem I have is, these are real little girls that did these things and were filmed doing them and it just felt gross. An 11 year old girl twerking in her bedroom with her best friend is one thing, but doing it on film just isn't ok. Making 11 year old girls do these things even for the purposes of a movie simply isn't fiction, they are really doing these things and I can't support it. Even though it's supposed to be a story, this is for all intents and purposes child exploitation, and the next time someone wants to tell a story like this they really need to think long and hard about it.

[–]AnotherGit 996 points997 points  (152 children)

Just imagine what the film set looked like. Skimpy clothed 11 year olds trying to dance sexy while a bunch of adults with cameras tell them what they need to do better or how they can be sexier.

[–]GABENS_HAIRY_CUNT 729 points730 points  (23 children)

Just imagine

no thx

[–]dmx2020 76 points77 points  (11 children)

Nailed it, this is not the content we want Netflix

[–]weirdgato 242 points243 points  (52 children)

It's disgusting honestly, the parents, the film crew, everything. We can't even tell if those girls are even gonna see a dime of what they earned. The worst part is that they are at an age that every little event takes a huge impact in their adulthood and personality.

[–]FortunateTraveler 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Did you read the directors op-Ed? She tries to justify this like it’s no big deal but it is. I know the horrors of the world. What I don’t need is actual 11 year old girls acting it out in a movie.

[–]Airsick1972 110 points111 points  (190 children)

You know this is real shit right? Kids join dance groups and they dance provocatively, we pulled our daughter from one after seeing some stuff they were learning

[–]BEniceBAGECKA 102 points103 points  (153 children)

Yes. This. Exactly this. Y’all ever seen dance moms or toddlers in tiaras? It’s real and it’s completely terrifying. Three year olds doing their “sexy dance”? This is a faux glimpse into the whole scene and people are losing their minds.

[–]Rushdownsouth 60 points61 points  (92 children)

Faux glimpse

Except for when the camera is shoved into their crotches. You can fake violence, but you can’t fake soft core porn; it’s just actual soft core porn with extra steps

[–]Nazail 441 points442 points  (442 children)

Did you watch the dubbed version? I watched it without and I found the writing quite good and ‘relatable’, as in the girls at my french school used to talk and act exactly like that.

[–]doublethumbdude 213 points214 points  (336 children)

So there's just a cultural disconnect and people don't find the dialogue believable because they aren't from France? I saw some initial comments before the movie 'blew up' about how it wasn't that bad

[–]Nazail 122 points123 points  (0 children)

For me, the dialogue was really good and exactly the stuff I’d hear and see from my classmates.

[–]HeWhoFistsGoats 267 points268 points  (325 children)

Older French here. It reminds me of the controversy around "Irreversible" by Gaspard Noe. The movie has a long and really hard to watch rape scene, and some people, mostly Americans, were saying that it was pornography and promoting rape and violence against women. What these people are missing is that the filmmakers actually want you to feel uneasy, disgusted and even traumatised by what you see. They're not trying to entertain you. It's the same logic when animal rights activists release stolen videos from slaughterhouses, they're trying to make you stand AGAINST what they're showing you, they want you to feel in your guts how wrong it is.

[–]bellewallace 303 points304 points  (120 children)

Irreversible was done by adult actors and actresses. They could reasonably know what they are getting Into.

Footage from slaughterhouses is footage being taken of something bad already happening.

My issues with Cuties, real young girls are doing these things on camera. Can they give consent? Do they truly understand what they are attaching their name/visage/reputation to? This could have easily been animated and removed the need to have children twerk on camera.

I’d be interested to know what education they provided the young girls who auditioned/got the part about these very practices they are speaking out against. Did they know this was a “male you uncomfortable and think” film, or were they lured by the promise of being in a movie and fuck the rest?

I’m okay with being uncomfortable from a movie. Just not when young girls are paying the price with their bodies for it.

[–]RIPUSA 53 points54 points  (13 children)

What about the movie Thirteen staring a very young Evan Rachel Wood? I think that’s a better comparison than Irreversible, but tbf I haven’t seen Irreversible.

[–]HeWhoFistsGoats 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Yeah I almost went with Thirteen in my post but I didn't know how it was received in the US. You're right it's a better example, I was really uncomfortable the whole time and it raised similar questions.

[–]backstgartist 7 points8 points  (4 children)

There's also the film "Kids" from 1995 starring Chloe Sevigny and Rosario Dawson. It was super controversial

[–]HeWhoFistsGoats 145 points146 points  (88 children)

I’m okay with being uncomfortable from a movie. Just not when young girls are paying the price with their bodies for it.

I understand, but keep in mind that the film was intended for a French audience before Netflix picked it up and repackaged it. It didn't make waves here, and the promo interviews were all about denouncing the hyper-sexualization of young women, with the young actresses explaining how they felt about it, how it resonated with their real-life experiences, and why it was important to make the movie and start a discussion about it.

If anything I blame Netflix for packaging it as a dance/teen movie. When Thirteen and Virgin Suicide came out everybody was fine with it because it was seen as Sundance-esque indy opinion pieces.

[–]RIPUSA 67 points68 points  (20 children)

Yes it’s a marketing failure and cultural differences between French and American audiences. I see this movie in the same light as the aforementioned Virgin Suicides and Thirteen. A lot seems to have been lost in translation when it came to America or they saw toddlers and tiaras and the fame of Honey Boo Boo and thought they were marketing to Americans correctly.

[–]left_foot_braker 23 points24 points  (11 children)

It's just a standard projection technique for wanting to have your cake and eat it too. You don't get to have young women making careers at being an "influencer" and basically whoring their bodies out for likes and money and not have that trickle down to any girl that's young enough to use a smart phone seeing it as inspirational and a way to make a living in the world without having to go through all the normal gatekeepers.

Most people really do still seem to think that every new bit of technology, every bit of "progress" we make just comes free and with no downstream or unintended consequences that may, ultimately, make it worth not having in the long run. Nope, it's just more, more more and better better better. Wait...what's that...we're making movies about 12 year olds dancing? I'm outraged! There, I feel better now that I've tweeted that out to my 5 followers. Let me hop back on myfreecams and pay that cute little hottie up in Michigan to twerk for me...she's over 18, right?

[–]Ho_ho_beri_beri 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's certainly NOT a marketing failure since everyone and their parrot talk about it non-stop since about a week ago.

Not sure how the director feels about it, though. I'd probably be furious at Netflix if I was her.

[–]im_a_hedgehogg 31 points32 points  (9 children)

I'm French, and I disagree. No matter the marketing, it's gone further than just feeling uncomfortable. It's softcore CP. Even in France.

[–]nightpanda893 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I guess what I just don’t understand is how long the dance scenes are and why they do close up angles of little girls asses and pubic regions. I don’t understand why that was necessary. And the thing is I totally get everything you are saying about the message. And the comparisons to other movies that have been controversial for reasons related to sexual content. But this is the only case where the content isn’t being “acted”, it’s happening for real. Like with a long drawn out rape scene, at least its simulated.

[–]Bluecashew1 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Any form of like anti-marketing would have helped for sure.

You can't just run up on Americans like that. Especially not right now.

[–]bargu 40 points41 points  (18 children)

There's a massive difference tho, the actress from Irreversible was an adult and wasn't actually raped on camera.

There's plenty of ways of showing that sexualizng children is bad without, you know, actually sexualize children, you don't need multiple, several minutes, dance montages of 4 11 yo girls dancing like strippers and absolutely for sure you don't need to keep the camera zoomed in their asses and crotch, for fucks sake.

[–]WrenBoy 39 points40 points  (98 children)

they're trying to make you stand AGAINST what they're showing you

I think you have misunderstood the criticism against the movie. The most common criticism is not that it makes the viewer watch creepy shit. Its that it makes young girls act out creepy shit on camera.

11 year old girls should not be filmed doing that. Its extremely inappropriate.

edit typo

[–]Dominique-XLR 83 points84 points  (22 children)

These analogies don't work. The actress in Irreversible didn't actually get raped, but the 11 year old kids in the movie(and the hundreds who auditioned) got sexualised in order to make this movie. The animal rights activists just release videos of already slaughtered animals, they don't slaughter more animals to show how animals are treated badly in the slaughterhouses. You can't pretend to make an eleven year old twerk, you've already made her twerk. The makers of this movie did not get 18 year olds to pretend they are sexualised kids, they actually sexualised kids.

I'd much rather not have some kids fall victim to the same issue I'm being made aware of. My education isn't worth it.

[–]Hohenheim_of_Shadow 29 points30 points  (10 children)

Seriously i think it would've been an interesting cinematography choice to have the 11 year olds played by like Victoria's Secret models. Or like models when they're doing the hyper sexual shit and kids when they're bring normal kids. I think it would've really played up the dissonance between how girls are hypersexualized and that they're young children.

[–]SilentMaster 114 points115 points  (64 children)

Yes. I did watch the dubbed version. I hadn't considered stuff being lost in translation. Thanks for pointing that out.

[–]Least_Pace1344 37 points38 points  (18 children)

Ahhhh...so there is a dubbed version. I have not seen the film (possible insert “yet” here) but I found it odd that a foreign film rang such controversy with an American audience that typically don’t like foreign films because of “all the subtitles.”

[–]zmbjebus 27 points28 points  (24 children)

It's still a bunch of close ups of real 11 years olds shaking their ass.

[–]funderbunk 22 points23 points  (2 children)

The problem I have is, these are real little girls that did these things and were filmed doing them

And don't forget, filmed doing them over and over, because there was no way they got them in one take.

Not to mention the hundreds of other little girls who were told to do these things in auditions and callbacks.

[–]SilentMaster 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I honestly hadn't really thought of the crew being part of this, but you're right, this is a whole extra layer of horribleness.

[–]LittleBootsy 92 points93 points  (152 children)

Your next assignment is to rewatch a movie that reddit adores, The Professional, and see how comfortable you are with the child sexualization in that.

I'm not saying this cuties movie is bad or good or whatever, but the hate is sure just a fad.

[–]nkbee 54 points55 points  (4 children)

The director married a 15 year old when he was in his thirties, and it's "inspired by" their love 🙃

[–]cowfishduckbear 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Wow, did not know this! No wonder that movie made me feel so gross (even though I watched it first as a kid).

Maïwenn met film director Luc Besson when she was 12 and he was 29, and they began dating when she was 15. In January 1993, at age 16, she gave birth to their daughter Shanna.[1][6] On the DVD extras for the 1994 film Léon: The Professional, Maïwenn said the film is based on her relationship with Besson.[7] She was 20 at the beginning of filming (early 1996) for The Fifth Element, during which Besson left her for the film's star, Milla Jovovich.

[–]nkbee 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I feel like people using Léon as a way you can do unsettling "well" have it all completely backwards.

[–]SilentMaster 8 points9 points  (10 children)

"The Professional" has always been too much for me. I love Leon. I love Gary Oldam as the bad cop, holy shit he's a fucking fantastic bad cop, but the way Natalie acts is wrong and as I get older it feels worse and worse. I haven't watched this movie since my 20's probably. I bet I rented it on VHS.

[–]InfraPI 24 points25 points  (2 children)

That whole first paragraph could be a honest review of a bad porno.

[–]NizeDertbeez 20 points21 points  (4 children)

This is precisely my problem with a movie called "Kids." Sure, it has a message and there is truth in it. But the director sought out actors who were minors to graphically simulate sex several times in that movie. A grown ass adult pointed a camera at them and told them to do it. That shit gross.

[–]Jeedeye 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So basically Showgirls but with 11 year old girls?

[–]Crowiii 885 points886 points  (220 children)

Something about seeing 11 year old girls grinding the dance stage doing handjob gestures doesn't scream empowering to me at all.

If anything it screams conditioning, conditioning to make them easier prey for predators.

[–]LOBM 170 points171 points  (68 children)

doing handjob gestures

You're exaggerating... right? The more I hear the less I wanna know.

[–]jbergizer 107 points108 points  (7 children)

Sadly no. Paymoneywubby says it all with this reveiw really.

[–]Dotard007 67 points68 points  (2 children)

What the fuck dude. I tried my best. I couldn't handle after the 4th minute mark. What happened around that would've straight up gotten them arrested if they tried it in the conditions outside a film set- girls shaking their ass, one of them play spanking the other, lifting up her shorts. I quit at that point. If you defended this you're a pedophile, nothing more.

[–]topsecreteltee 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I watched another “I watched it so you don’t have to” review and they repeated everything he said. Trying to have an open mind, be unbiased, etc. and it was inexcusable.

[–]InfernalAdze 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That was pretty uncomfortable

[–]ChooseAndAct 98 points99 points  (21 children)

There's also blowing up a used condom and a group of children trying to seduce security guards with their "dance moves". One of the guards is enjoying it.

[–]Dotard007 27 points28 points  (4 children)

No fucking way. No fucking way some sane human being in the whole filming and all saw this and thought "wait we shouldn't make 11 year olds do this, especially on on camera"

[–]salbris 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Yep and then defended it as "feminist". Every body left or right should be opposing this movie into the ground.

[–]23onAugust12th 10 points11 points  (2 children)

If there was public outcry because this movie was interpreted as racist, homophobic, misogynist, etc., Netflix would’ve removed it in a heartbeat and issued an exhaustive apology. But pedophilic? That’s the hill they’ll seemingly die on. What does that tell us?

[–]TheFinalFapdown 202 points203 points  (17 children)

It screams popcorn fodder for pedophiles.

[–]Rushdownsouth 63 points64 points  (12 children)

Anyone who doesn’t see this is naive, lying, or stupid.

[–]Drawtaru 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Anyone who doesn’t see this is naive, lying, or stupid.

a pedophile.

FTFY.

[–]Tabnam 138 points139 points  (68 children)

My gf and I scanned through it to see if it was just hysteria or legitimate criticism. I tend not to ever believe conspiracy theories or conservative propaganda, but within the first 20 minutes I realised if anything they were under selling how bad it was.

We sat there floored at how this could ever be approved. One scene even had the main character twerking in her fucking underwear while covered in water. Dozens of people would have watched this movie before it ever was submitted for awards and not a single one took issue with it. It was legitimately one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen

[–]theportugueseracer 70 points71 points  (12 children)

"One scene even had the main character twerking in her fucking underwear while covered in water" In front of her own mom and aunt, during a religious ritual.

[–]was-she-right 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Also, I refused to double check, but I’m pretty sure her nipples were visible in parts of that scene. I caught sight of what might have been nipples and had to just. Stare off at the wall for awhile. I don’t want that in my life. I have so many regrets.

[–]Odd_Employer 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Oh, well, of it's religious... /S

[–]dirtsunshine 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I’m sure pedos put their dicks down after seeing the context.

[–]bhlogan2 47 points48 points  (41 children)

I don't think this is a conspiracy of any kind like some right winged morons are pretending, I genuinely think the director wanted to tell a story that mattered to her. But it's not feminist or bold. The execution is a failure. I'm really just shocked at how some people are trying to defend this because it has "good intentions". And what pisses me off the most is the people saying "oh, but if you're angry then it has achieved its goal", no it fucking hasn't, if I made a movie about the violence animals go through for the filming of movies, and in the process, killed dozens of animals to proof my point, would it be justified? No dude. You can tell this story, just not like this...

[–]Ancient_Frosting6461 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The entire notion that only conservatives think this is a fucked up pedo film is ridiculous. Any normal human being who watches this thinks it is a fucked up pedo film that needs to be taken off the fucking service. Also law enforcement should really take a close look at this producer and director.

[–]Col_Butternubs 219 points220 points  (73 children)

This movie is fucking icky

You can't preach about the sexualisation of children being bad and then make a film with disturbing close up shots of butts and crotches and chests. By doing that you're sexualising kids, that's like murdering someone and then saying murder is wrong. It's hypocritical and in this case incredibly disgusting to watch. it needs to be removed from Netflix asap it's literally a pedophiles wet dream.

[–]oatshoe 50 points51 points  (7 children)

Its just straight up a different type of hypersexualzation of children. If the director sincerely believes shes made a feminist movie she is delusional. Maybe she WANTED to make a movie against sexualisation but that is not what the end result is. The costume departement and the way the camera moves alone is just... harmful.

[–]TheQuinnBee 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Nothing about this is feminist. Feminism is supposed to be about the liberation of women. This is pedophilia. Claiming this is feminist is like pedophiles claiming they are part of the LGBT.

[–]Jadefangg 96 points97 points  (22 children)

I’m French and in no way it’s a cultural difference or feminism.

The backlash this movie got only proves that people are outraged by such sexualization of young children. Yet it only encourages predatory behavior and it’s disgusting.

There are so many other ways to show women empowerment or feminism. This movie isn’t one of them.

[–]ElCatrinLCD 165 points166 points  (29 children)

You cant make a movie that is against child exploitation by exploiting children

[–]captaindunbar 51 points52 points  (9 children)

I want to make an anti-war movie. Therefore I will start a war in some country so it's super realistic.

Don't worry guys, it's just a commentary on war.

[–]PoetBakerSlut 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I wanna make an anti-animal abuse movie. Therefore, I will kill actual dogs on screen.

[–]SicItur_AdAstra 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hideo Kojima's next project. /s

[–]pimpinassorlando 73 points74 points  (5 children)

I appreciate everyone who watched this and described it so I wouldn't have to. Just abhorrent.

[–]little-plague_rat 725 points726 points  (406 children)

I posted about this on Facebook and one of my friends who is a dad to a young girl told me that this movie wasn't about pedophilia and it's about women being empowered. I straight told him I don't care what the message is 11-year-old girls should not be twerking in a movie. But apparently that's a wrong opinion to have on FB

[–]TheFinalFapdown 269 points270 points  (22 children)

Intense zoom ups on their crotch and butts. I watched a few of their “dance numbers” and I immediately felt like my name was on some government list.

[–]trezenx 83 points84 points  (14 children)

It is. This movie is a giant pedo-bust trap sponsored by the FBI.

[–]EatAPeach2020 15 points16 points  (1 child)

At least that would make sense

[–]taws34 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Weird way to do it.. finance a French film, then finance the US distribution rights onto Netflix...

[–]DopplerOctopus 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Quick, go to Amazon and buy a copy of 1 of each of the following.

Industrial society and it's future

Mein Kampf

The communist manifesto

the quran

A handheld pocket constitution

How to talk to your cats about gun safety

That'll confuse the alphabet bois and throw them off your sent. Works every time. Trust me.

[–]bigbatai 251 points252 points  (115 children)

I’m thinking Tik Tok is going way under the Radar.

[–]little-plague_rat 177 points178 points  (108 children)

There is actually a movement that got started by this guy in Utah named Collin kartner, to get kids off of their phones and he talks a lot about tik tok and Instagram and how children are being targeted there. He even goes to schools to talk about the dangers. Point being people are aware. Just not much is being done

[–]jazzymouse 62 points63 points  (5 children)

Theres a documentary on netflix right now called the social dilemma that covers this exact issue.

[–]Doiihachirou 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Nobody likes to do anything till their own child goes missing... Sometimes not even then.

I was targeted by a stalker when I was 13. The dude was 22. He left flowers and poems at my house and my parents TEASED ME. They called him Strawberry Shortcake (because in spanish it's Rosita Fresita, Rosita means Rose//pink, so roses? He was Rosito Fresito) and always laughed and called him my boyfriend. Thankfully I wasn't such an idiot, being raised by two, and I was always pissed off and angry he was sending me letters, and felt very annoyed and tried my best to get rid of him. I think someone finally told him "DUDE she's a fucking CHILD" and he never contacted me again, maybe the police got him, I don't know. But some parents are idiots.

Edit: to be clear, this 22yo watched me train at a stadium and FOLLOWED me home. He even got my phone number from one of my teammates and contacted me through there as a "secret admirer". How fucking scary is this?!?? I'm SO glad I had a good head on my shoulders, cause I was PISSED.

[–]Philly139 41 points42 points  (19 children)

Isn't the whole point of the movie to shine a light on why over sexualizing young kids is an issue and something that is happening on social media ect? How does someone get women being empowered out of that...

[–]Gimpknee 27 points28 points  (14 children)

I saw it more as a cultural critique, a juxtaposition between a restrained, pretty anti-feminist religious culture and the mainstream culture where content ostensibly geared for adults trickles or floods down to children who consume it and replicate it without understanding its context. In the end the main character realizes the folly of it and seems to try charting her own path by just being a kid, and there is something empowering in that.

The movie is basically saying that kids are exposed to the shit adults regularly consume and imitate it because they don't know better, and rather than simply telling you why that's disturbing, the movie shows it to you.

[–]d3dgirlwalking 151 points152 points  (91 children)

it's definitely not about empowerment. the whole point of the movie- and the reason it's so controversial- is that yes, it's gross. yes, it's disturbing. but this is what life is like for a lot of little girls. they are sexualizing themselves to conform to what other children and teenagers think is cool, and they do not understand that that's what the world sees. not trying to defend it in any way. there are a plethora of disturbing scenes, but the point is that on screen, and in real life, those children don't see it as such. but we do. and we need to help our children to feel good about themselves without stooping to such levels. edit: have had time to rewatch the movie and reflect. i don't care about the message they were trying to portray anymore. casting the 13-14 yo girls to perform sexual acts was a mistake. they missed the point of their own movie. and i am sorry if i seemed to be defending the movie... i am strongly against it now in its entirety.

[–]CardmanNV 63 points64 points  (68 children)

I think, if I were making this movie, I could probably find a way to get the message across without half of the film being softcore child porn.

[–]mongolianpandaarmada 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Wow. I’d love to hear him try and explain how this is empowerment and not straight up child exploitation. I feel sorry for his daughter.

[–]AliveAndKickingAss 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I watched it yesterday and I was appalled. The ending was too sudden and abrupt - there was NO MESSAGE.

It showed a young girl being led astray and (over) sexualized in a way that many young girls are BUT the message was completely missing.

The ending was BS and the way there was full of unnecessary ass and crotch shots of 11 year old children.

[–]Petsweaters 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Facebook is only working to make you keep looking at Facebook, and arguing with idiots seems to be their best tool

[–]HollowSoullll 44 points45 points  (1 child)

That card can apply in some situations, this is not one of them.

[–]soggypoopsock 17 points18 points  (0 children)

As if feminism hasn’t been dragged through the mud enough already by hateful band wagoners who don’t belong and only tarnish the intentions of the cause, now the pedos are going to jump in too? For fuck sakes

[–]LeftyMode 29 points30 points  (6 children)

You can argue the movie is about exploitation or whatnot.

But the team at Netflix cut that trailer to attract a specific type of demo. They knew exactly what they were doing.

[–]Commando_Joe 69 points70 points  (28 children)

I think the intent was to tell a story about exploitation but it was shot and directed in such a bad way that it just...was terrible.

I don't think the intent was 'pedophile masturbatory movie', but I can't argue that it delivered that.

[–]Comet_Empire 209 points210 points  (56 children)

To be angry about this movie but not the whole child pageant circuit that is fuckin humongous in these southern bible thumpin areas is beyond ridiculous. Have you seen what these women do to their kids? They look like 8 yr old prostitutes and their moms yell at them like pimps. If you watched season after season of that Honey Boo Boo bullshit but are mad about this I think you got some hard thinking to do. I am not defending this movie, AT ALL. Its just stupid how people pick and choose their outrage based on what's trending.

I did edit this cause my first rant was a bit rude and that's wasn't productive. Respect is important too.

Edit 2: I don't want people to think I am assuming that they aren't disgusted by child pageants too. I can see how I expressed myself in my above comment makes it seem like I am saying that everyone is mad at "Cuties" but not child pageants. Sometimes it can be hard to properly make a point with only a few sentences that lack tone and context. My comment was aimed squarely at folks who see one as an issue but not both. Which after reading most comments isn't anyone here, thankfully. Gosh, I miss having conversations with people face to face.

[–]TheGentlemanK 73 points74 points  (15 children)

Okay but who is that audience really? Everyone I know who is outraged by this movie also finds child pageants to be disgusting.

Critics of the backlash have latched onto this and I’m seeing it everywhere and it drives me crazy because it a goshawful “gotcha” like:

Me: “This movie exploits children it shouldn’t be praised.” Them: “Oh yeah. Sure. Well why don’t you oppose child beauty pageants and sexualized dance groups?” Me: “Wait. But I do oppose those things too it’s all disgusting and borderline pedophilic.” Them: “See the hypocrisy and blindness going on here, they hate Cuties but support child beauty pageants!”

[–]BigbySamMelody 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Okay but who is that audience really? Everyone I know who is outraged by this movie also finds child pageants to be disgusting.

Exactly, the movie isn't for people who already think it's gross. It's for people that think it's fine with the attempt to show them why it's gross.

[–]bubblgumboy 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Lol dude I doubt that people watched this because of the controversy are regular honey boo boo viewers. Pretty sure the people watching dance moms and cuties are all the same kind of people if you get what I mean.

[–]thevastminority 23 points24 points  (7 children)

Are the people who are mad about this not also mad about pageant shows? Who is your audience for this rant lol

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Apparently my sister but they probably don't know her

[–]AlexAlexisAlexa 21 points22 points  (1 child)

face palm THEY’RE CHILDREN

[–]lekaratekid[🍰] 290 points291 points  (57 children)

The word feminist has be tarnished by people like her. Using it for their own sick agenda has turned the meaning of the word into a joke.

[–]zanheathen 16 points17 points  (1 child)

As a feminist, I find this "documentary" a disgusting sexual display of children and actual soft-core child porn. It fucking pisses me off they're trying to pass it of as bold-feminism. No the fuck it is not!

[–]CloverAndDandelion 9 points10 points  (4 children)

They're preteens. They shouldn't be worried about twerking for feminism, however that works, they should be concerned about preteen things.

[–]mossara 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Her intentions may have been from there but good God it was Not. It was Not Any of That and she needs to realize that

[–]IDonyKnow224 19 points20 points  (0 children)

They are just making it worse

[–]Kalel2319 91 points92 points  (49 children)

Just watched it last night with my wife.

Holy fucking shit it is worse than you think. I mean, we’re pretty out there artistically. But goddamn. We had to watch it with the English dub because there was no way we could sit through it in French. Seemed way too serious and dark that way for some reason.

Goddamn, I don’t know how the hell they convinced anyone to film this thing.

I honestly don’t think it makes ANY statement about the sexualization of children, other than to just show them being sexualized.

Someone had to fucking film these girls asses, grinding, dancing, humping the floor. It’s really that bad. It’s horribly uncomfortable and unnecessary. Someone had to direct the girls to be sexy and in effect sexualized them. I kept asking my wife who the fuck had to tell these girls how to act? Who is filming this? Why did anyone pay for this? How did Netflix decide to put their name on this.

I’m the most left person there is, I generally don’t judge art for being controversial, but fuck this movie. Fuck this movie so hard.

I have NO idea how or why Netflix put their name on this.

[–]Shrimpy_McWaddles 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I honestly don’t think it makes ANY statement about the sexualization of children, other than to just show them being sexualized.

Imagine doing drugs to show people that doing drugs is wrong. Except the drugs you did got you a lot of attention and you made a lot of money from doing it. That's what's happening, they sexualized children to (so they claim) show that sexualizing children is bad, and then they made money and won awards for it.

Someone had to fucking film these girls asses, grinding, dancing, humping the floor. It’s really that bad. It’s horribly uncomfortable and unnecessary. Someone had to direct the girls to be sexy and in effect sexualized them.

I can't imagine what that set was like. Dance instructors/choreographers having to physically put their hands on these children to show them how to move. People having to verbally say things like "have her (an 11yo) shake her butt a little more" or "camera 1 zoom in on her butt/genitals". There is no way to choreograph or direct this without sexualizing these children.

[–]Kalel2319 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Exactly. That set must have been a nightmare. It’s unbelievable that full grown adults were okay with filming all those genital and ass closeups. It was soooo fucked.

[–]PaulTheMerc 36 points37 points  (21 children)

As someone who doesn't want to watch the movie, is it worse then Dance moms? That shit was disturbing enough.

[–]Kalel2319 42 points43 points  (15 children)

It is so much worse than dance moms. If dance moms makes you uncomfortable this will make you sick.

[–]kikkomandy 77 points78 points  (10 children)

I’m a feminist and I don’t agree with this movie.

[–]Danclim 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Feminism? Isn’t the whole point of feminism to avoid this kind of women stereotype?

[–]ShepardG 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She did a piss poor job. You can agree with her sentiment in this written reactionary response but having watched the film she literally, and i dont say this lightly, fucked up badly.

No one needs to see little girls being sexualized in the way she shows. Its flat out inappropriate.

I understand, and most humans who are against pedophilia, understand that little girls and boys are subjected to sexualization. I would gi so far as to say: Thats common fucking sense! Pedophilia is fucking horrific and bad.

The fact that such a gigantic out pour of disapproval has occurred should be proof that nobody needed cuties to show them how fucked up the sexualization of children is.

The reality is that in her attempt to tell and show people something THAT THEY ALREADY KNEW AND/OR AGREED WITH, she further sexualized the children she was trying to raise awareness about.

Its the same if I start making YouTube videos about how murdering people is bad, and to show how bad, i actually murder someone!!! After the fact, in court, I tell the judge : "Your honor i was trying to raise awareness of just how horrible murdering someone is!"

That judge would stare at me with his jaw on the floor, much like the mass of society is doing when watching "Cuties" and the he would throw the book at me!

The real atrocity isn't that the writer/director is an ignorant fool, its that NETFLIX IS ALSO, and they have doubled down to try and defend themselves. Its like Zukerverg and Facebook... they think(or know as they seem to) that they have become such an important part of our species that we won't do anything like cancel our subscription or delete their data farming disinformation application. AND SO FAR WE HAVENT.

We as a culture and society have become so rat fucked by these trillion dollar corporations that we dare not pull the IV out for fear that the truth burning through our veins instead of the Brave New World feel good serum, will tear down the lie.

We have all become the character 'Cypher' in the original Matrix, the one who turns over the crew of the Nebukanzer(sp?) with the promise from the machines that when they put him back into the great Lie, he'll be made rich, and famous and handsome, with all the delicious fake steaks he can eat.

We are him. And I weep for our world because of it.

I deleted Facebook last year, and after writing this, I'm canceling Netflix, I was hold out because I truly thought they would see the reality of what they were promoting, but they, along with so many other companies only listen to fucking money.

[–]Stupid_Username1967 25 points26 points  (7 children)

I havent seen the whole thing, but I saw that youtube review that highlights the cringey scenes. Sorry, but I have seen enough porn to know that a lot of those dance moves are just sexual positions. Also what hasnt even been discussed is the music and the lyrics they dance too. "Oh Daddy put your piece in me". This fucking movie is so wrong in so many ways.

[–]RayRay__56 46 points47 points  (14 children)

I have nothing against boldness, and I am, dare I say, a feminist.
But I'm also a person with common sense and after watching only about 35 minutes of this "movie" I had to turn it off because I feared the FBI would knock down my door any second now.

I do not need to see children in grossly sexualised positions.
You can portray how the sexualisation of kids is wrong WITHOUT SEXUALISING KIDS!

[–]TheGentlemanK 34 points35 points  (8 children)

The thing I can’t abide is people saying “well of course you needed to depict them being sexualized, that’s the message.”

Because yeah. Sure that’s the message and I’ll be charitable and believe that.

But you do not have to be the one’s sexualizing them to show them being sexualized. You don’t have to focus your camera on a prepubescent child’s twerking buttocks and genitalia. You didn’t need to do that to show them being sexualized. You didn’t need to do that to tell your story. You made the decision to put the camera there. That’s where the line is crossed.

You could have blurred it out. You could have filmed it from a distance. You could have filmed a mom filming her child like that, you could have filmed a creepy dude filming the children like that. You can express that “these children are being sexualized” without sexualizing the children themselves.

As people compared it’s the world of difference between filming a brutal murder scene and actually going out and making a snuff film.

[–]RayRay__56 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thank you for elaborating my comment, you are absolutely right. This movie and everyone working and approving of the editing of it is creepy as hell.

[–]GritwaldGGrittington 25 points26 points  (7 children)

I don’t understand why it took this movie to start this controversy. Where was everyone with Dance Moms, Honeybooboo, or Miss Teen USA? This has been a problem for so long.

[–]shadesofcarly 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I've been complaining about shows like those for as long as I remember. Dance Moms, Toddlers & Tiaras, and child pageants in general make me sick. It's 100% child exploitation. To be honest, that's how I view most child-stars; they are being exploited.

"Cuties" is just more of the same problem.

[–]GritwaldGGrittington 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I haven’t watched Cuties, but I’ve gotten the impression that it is realistically depicting the effect that adult social media has on youth. I’m sure there is much more behind that. I want to watch it to understand the uproar... and why the uproar only started now.

[–]Carrot_Swim 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's really that bad to the point of "I know I'm telling you it's THAT BAD and you are probably thinking nah it's ok i am just gonna watch it to make sure, but seriously, your curiosity it's not worth that much you just shouldn't watch it"

[–]Gamer3111 15 points16 points  (6 children)

So the Sundance thing is lead by one of the World's top 100 most influential people who <according to wikipedia> went inactive last year and is also 84.

Now i'm not saying that this guy new Epstein PERSONALLY but you physically cannot deny that there's at least a small ven diagram of people in their social circles.

Why the fuck do pedos gain so much power? It's because they have no issue hurting people to get what they want.

[–]FrankTM26 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The other co-founder of the Sundance Film Festival was just charged last year with sexually abusing a minor. Also, this movie was rated high by the same festival. I wonder why?

[–]Gamer3111 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not just once either.

[–]TheMoves 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I love how everyone’s like “HOLLYWOOD is so awful coming out with this crap, all these HOLLYWOOD PEDOS couldn’t help themselves” but like it’s a French movie there was no Hollywood involvement. Like made in France in French by French directors, producers, companies, everything. I swear this site forgets other countries even exist 90% of the time, it’s even here in the thread

[–]anyeri1286 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am from Mexico, here the feminist move just took the installations of the national humans right commission, they show all the privilege (from luxury furniture to expensive meat cuts) demanding justice for all the deaths of girls/woman's in this country, that's fking bold and a true feminist. This movie is fking child pornography period.

[–]komali_2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The director is french. The production companies are both french. The distributor is french. The producer is french. The writer is french. All of the stars are french.

So.. where the fuck do people think hollywood is involved in this lmao?

[–]karma-armageddon 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Pretty gross the canned reply from Netflix is "it is an award winning film"

What award exactly, and from who? Who exactly voted for this film to get an award?

[–]Tree_Viking 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If I can speak on behalf of all feminists, we don’t want her lol

[–]NovelCryptographer57 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bold - yes

Feminist - no

This movie does nothing to promote female rights. It exploits minors as sex objects.

[–]Fnargle1980 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup it's the good old " it's not predatory and manipulative, it's brave and questions the social norms" bullshit. If a man did this, not only would his career be over, but he would be investigated. Women like this shame my gender.

[–]Flexisisboss 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I watched 35 minutes of it so I could say I know what I’m talking about when I defend/condemn this movie.

It wasn’t the part where they’re all standing around looking at porn, I was like “eh, kids are curious”

It was the part where the black girl was laying on the ground humping it and they were zooming in on her ass. This movie is testing the waters to see what they can get away with when it comes to sexually exploiting children. This director should be thrown in prison and some executives at Netflix need to lose their jobs and perhaps see a little prison time as well.

[–]Archangel1313 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't even understand how this could be considered feminist. This doesn't empower girls...unless the take-away is supposed to be, "If your life sucks, you can always become famous as a 12-year-old erotic dancer."

[–]Warrppaint 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This movie is the very opposite of feminism. People who defend this film are very, very questionable. Folks, please encourage your kids to watch Cheetah Girls for good examples instead.

The parents of the kid actors in Cuties should probably be investigated.

The brief summary is cool. A Muslim kid exploring other things in life? That's an interesting plot line that I'm sure a lot of people can relate to. But little kids twerking for a security guard? Who thought this would be a good idea?

[–]Lobster-X 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If it’s a cultural difference then the French need to re-evaluate the fuck out of their fucking culture. Don’t “normalize” pedophilia, don’t contribute to giving pedophiles a since of normalcy, or justification. If you’re defending this film then you might have some unexplored pedophile tendencies that you might want to get therapy for before they develop into something that can affect people. And if someone wants to draw the feminism card to defend this putrid production then you go right ahead and tell everyone how feminism and pedophilia are intertwined. Maybe the worlds time should be up if we’re making movies like this and people are defending it. Sickos. 🤮

[–]lostinadream66 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Seems like a lot of people watched it so they can "form an opinion." How about just not watching it?