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[OC] The Tampa-2 is a lie. (youtu.be)

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[–] SteelersQuexana 400 points401 points  (9 children)

"My philosophy is really out of the 1975 Pittsburgh Steelers playbook. That is why I have to laugh when I hear 'Tampa 2'. Chuck Noll and Bud Carson—that is where it came from, I changed very little." -- Tony Dungy

It's the Steel Curtain defensive scheme, from Bud Carson. Bud Carson is the one who came up with the innovation to drop the MLB deep into coverage to give it the functionality of a Cover 2/Cover 3. That was Jack Lambert's job.

Monte Kiffin's innovations were in the D-Line alignments. He essentially turned it from a two-gap into a one-gap scheme. The coverages were all Bud Carson's. The "Lie" of the Tampa 2 is that it's the coverage that was made in Tampa.

[–] PatriotsEnterprise90 204 points205 points  (3 children)

That reminds me of the story behind the "West Coast Offense." Brian Billick said that Bill Walsh once told him it should be the "Midwest Coast Offense" because it was just what Walsh was calling when he was working for the Bengals with some tweaks.

[–] SeahawksShufflingSloth 112 points113 points  (2 children)

Walsh also had to come up with it on the fly in the pre-season, b/c the Bengals' big arm QB went down in like the 2nd game and their backup didn't have the arm strength to execute the old scheme.

Paul Brown trying to replace that backup/new starter, after he had a breakout year, with another big armed QB and Walsh having issue with that is a big part of why he was passed over to replace Brown as HC. I bet beating his old team in two Super Bowls in the 80's with the Midwest Coast Offense felt pretty good for Walsh.

[–] BearsSock-Enough 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Greg Cook!

[–] PanthersUNC_Samurai 29 points30 points  (0 children)

If Cook was a QB today, he would have been able to get minimally invasive arthroscopic surgery and likely miss just a season.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He also brought it the super physical bigger CB’s who mauled guys at the line. The traditional Tampa 2 wouldn’t work today.

[–] SteelersQuexana 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mel Blount was 6'3" 205 lbs.
J.T. Thomas was 6'2" 196.

The five yard chuck rule that limited corners ability to maul guys at the line was literally put in place because of Mel Blount. Mauling guys at the line wasn't a Monte Kiffin invention.

[–]mangosail 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Saying this though is just a matter of perspective. They didn’t invent one gap schemes in Tampa either. So is the innovation that this is a new coverage to play on a well known one gap scheme? Or is it a new alignment for a well known coverage scheme?

The reality is that Dungy and co did really invent the Tampa 2. Modernizing the traditional cover 2 scheme and pairing it with a one gap alignment was innovative and not simple or obvious.

[–] SteelersQuexana -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Or is it a new alignment for a well known coverage scheme?

Modernizing the Steelers' version of the cover 2 coverage and pairing it with a one gap alignment was innovative, and Kiffen deserves credit for it, but when people talk about the Tampa 2 these days, they're talking about the coverage scheme, not the gap alignment. The coverage came from Bud Carson.

[–] ChiefsXaxziminrax 440 points441 points  (4 children)

This is an elite thumbnail lmao

[–] SeahawksShufflingSloth 110 points111 points  (0 children)

Best one since the Aaron Rodgers "PAIN" video.

[–] Brownschunkah69 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Pepe Silvia-esque

[–] Texansvicious_womprat 54 points55 points  (0 children)

I mean, yeah. That’s the joke lol

[–] JaguarsJaguarGator9 57 points58 points  (2 children)

That late night thumbnail photo session was so worth it

[–] TexansBarian_Fostate[S] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I’m happy with how it turned out lol

[–] JaguarsObeyCoffeeDrinkSatan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is Frank Mir recording football strategy videos?

[–] SteelersMcCabbe 245 points246 points  (20 children)

As usual with Brett, after 10 seconds watching the video, I went "Yeaaah... I know nothing about the NFL. I'll just skip that and watch Troy's top ten interceptions..."

[–] PatriotsBlackcat008 73 points74 points  (6 children)

I could really use a "football 201" video. There's a ton of stuff out there explaining the basics, and plenty of people like Brett discussing high level concepts, but nothing to bridge the gap.

[–] SteelersCSMastermind 52 points53 points  (2 children)

Try reading Take Your Eye Off the Ball 2.0: How to Watch Football by Knowing Where to Look by Pat Kirwan.

That's essentially "football 201" though I haven't seen anyone make a video out of it yet.

[–] ChargersInfamous_Ad9839 11 points12 points  (1 child)

There is a version of that book with a dvd of Pat explaining everything.

[–] Packerstw-moobsius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have that! I'll have to go looking for it

[–] Falconsfunk_truck 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Nate Tice from the Athletic does a really good job of this. I can’t visualize it on the podcast very well but his video breakdowns are super helpful.

[–]NotNick_Foles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nate has amazing knack for dumbing down football concepts, I especially love his comparisons to other sports.

[–]scwiseheart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Match quarters is a good channel to watch. He's a former high school coach and breaks down run fits and quarters coverage very well. That will help with alot concepts with modern defense

[–] Texansvicious_womprat 149 points150 points  (3 children)

Brett is the guy that seems like he’s throwing around “big” words to impress you of his knowledge of the game. But really what he’s talking IS actually complicated and he does his best to give you some base-layer knowledge along the way. I appreciate him.

[–] PanthersThePolitePanda 84 points85 points  (1 child)

I love his videos. Just a really cool look at the depth of professional football. Love picking up nuggets here and there and looking for it during games. I feel like he gets a weird amount of hate, but then again it’s the internet

[–] Texansvicious_womprat 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Lol I’ll come across some relatively niche YouTube channel and love their personalities and content they provide. Then I’ll see people on Reddit give it shit for not being the same as it once was and now it’s “uNwAtChAbLe”. People love to hate man, and that’s coming from me as I’m not one of those uber positives guys.

[–] RamsFlat_News_2000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah he explains things in a non-douchey way

[–] BuccaneersTraditional_Mud_1241 108 points109 points  (4 children)

I admit I haven’t watched this.

But based on the preview pic, I’m pretty sure this involves Pepe Silvia.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Fire the Cannons!

[–] PatriotsBostonSamurai 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Lmaoooo! Same vibes for sure

[–] SeahawksRustyCoal950212 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It's a direct reference lol. Carol was the other person who "didn't exist", and Brett is pointing at Carroll

[–] Ramsianthebalance 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There is NO CARROLL in SC!

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

TBH Brett, that should have been your thumbnail for you trying to break down future nfl qb’s because it’s so hard tbh.

[–] GiantsSaquonBarkleyBigBlue 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Finally. The real truth comes out.

[–] Bearswhatsforsupa 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This video was fantastic, I love the very specific examples from the Bears and Bucs. Hope everything worked out at home brother.

[–] Raiders Vivianite_Corpse 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Great video, thank you for posting.

[–] ChargersDangerXX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

lol is Coach Dungy wearing air pods?

[–] Vikingsuggsandstarbux 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is one of the best videos you've ever put out. Much props, Brett.

I don't know what exactly is going on at home but I hope there is some positivity coming your way

[–] PatriotsBostonSamurai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The mad man!

[–] BearsDRAGON_FUCKER_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did someone say Tampa 2?

[–] SteelersAdamBlackfyre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paused at 2 minutes in to say thank you for the superfluous whoops from my two favorite coaches ever lol

[–] EaglesGeg0Nag0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And what about the Cake?