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[–]rrtsaa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I JUST realized that the one scene from the anime opening where on the big beat “daijobu sa”, luffy is underwater mysteriously then reappears on land a beat later ready to fight totally could’ve been a reference to this part of the arc lmao

[–]ElIVTE 22 points23 points  (0 children)

a cloud is getting more screentime than jimbei and robin/brook fights let that sink in

[–]Gearvulcan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One on one always bet on O-Tama.

[–]lolimunchers 11 points12 points  (0 children)

i hope yamato joins the crew her saying shes going to sail with luffy was awesome

[–]Sazanoro 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Concerns about Zeus, if BM dies, I think she would not die so soon, if she does die, Zeus would survive it because he has a splitted part of BM's soul , otherwise the question should be, would Pedro (50 years were taken by BM) come back to life if BM dies, or Bepo's brother, I forgot his name, who died because of BM' s DF??

[–]Alteras_Imouto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you're dead, you're dead.

[–]paxfix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good Thinking!

I Believe with the introduction of Zeus into the Clima-Tact, Oda confirms that BM will survive this Arc (not 2 Yonkos will die). In my opinion BM see that Ruffy win or Kaido betray her and so the Alliance (as it was expected) get destroyed & she comes away without getting defeated

[–]asokaaso2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My concern is will Zeus live even without BM?

[–]Signal_Dimension -1 points0 points  (12 children)

I swear one piece is beginning to have a huge glaring flaw which is lack of death or psuedo death like sequences. At this point if no one non-wano dies in this arc I am going to he disappointed. Like at least let Zeus’s death be real. Now if big mom gets defeated I am just going to say she never had her full power and same with kaido he is probably going to get in so many fights man will fall asleep and luffy will call it his victory. Im starting to feel like Luffy will not defeat a single Yonko and through bs plot devices become king. Just watch blackbeard about to get defeated cause some kid pushes him in the ocean.

[–]ElIVTE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

if kanjuro gets up again ima lmao

[–]Alteras_Imouto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Three of the samurai are now dead. Oda is obviously going for the tale of the seven samurai and is going to kill most of them.

[–]Anarchy15085 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He does kill characters. But it's always important and always for a reason. I dont think everyone should die. The whole point of luffys training was to be strong enough to protect the people he cares about. We recently had 2 important deaths and I believe we will get another before Wano's end. But everyone cant die ya know..

[–]Jrdotan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Zeus death would basically be nami regretting in her power tier by losing her new abilities.

They definitively should kill more characters but im inclined to agree that killing zeus wouldnt make any sense

[–]the_killer_B-_- 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I kinda agree with you that oda doesn't kill characters, but I have to disagree with you on zeus, his death wouldn't make any sense from a narrative stand point, he betrayed nami and need to go on a redemption arc, plus his powers are kinda necessary to give nami a power up, cause she's gonna start lagging behind the other crew members, and in this arc we did get some deaths, which is not usual in one piece, the death of the yasui,orochi ,kanjuro, kiku and kinemon. Now if one thoes turns out to be alive , it wouldn't be good, but overall I don't see any problem in this arc. I don't think luffy will beat kaido by him being tired of fights, and Don't forget that luffy also fought and used gear forth before even reaching onigashima , so it goes both ways. And I don't think blackbeard is gonna die like that, be serious

[–]Signal_Dimension 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Again I said non wano characters, for such a huge arc you would think one of the straw hats would get injured. As for the Zeus thing my point still stands Big Mom is now not at her full strength and her defeat will always be tinged with that.

[–]BreadMiserableBounty Hunter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It has never been indicated that Zeus being away from Big Mom weakens her.

[–]the_killer_B-_- 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Well, Zoro was turned into a cross of bandages, I'd say he's injured. As for big mom, I don't really get how she isn't at full strength, she just replaced zeus with a better version

[–]Signal_Dimension -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Cause Zeus was a part of her soul so now that bit of hwr soul is gone.

[–]the_killer_B-_- 2 points3 points  (2 children)

That's not how her power works, she gets the "soul" power from other people and then she infuse inanimate objects with it so that they become homies, she never gives a part of her soul

[–]oraclestcroix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Zeus, Prometheus, Napoleon and Hera are made of a fragment of Big Mom's soul

[–]Signal_Dimension 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dog She literally says Zeus and Napoleon and Prometheus were made from her soul. She even says Zeus has her soul.

[–]thotslayer696969696 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another great chapter

[–]Frequent-Weekend6673 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Nami got the biggest upgrade. Going from wand to a magic wand™ is a game changer.

[–]Zakmaf 13 points14 points  (1 child)

well, she went from a stick, to technological wand, to magic wand, to haunted magic wanted

[–]abhikun 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just reminisced each of those during the story arcs.

[–]Frequent-Weekend6673 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Typical Shonen be like: my attacks all got names homie. Zeus: "I am the attack, homie"

[–]lantis0527 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Why is no one talking about Ulti just shaking off a direct super attack from BM(not even bruise on her skin) while Zoro is wasted after barely dodging???

Ulti and Page just exists for other characters to showoff their moves. I swear those two are still not out yet and waiting to tank another flashy attack.

[–]asokaaso2 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Wasn't it explained that awakened Zoan have fast recovery?

[–]Alteras_Imouto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but she's not awakened. All zoan have increased durability. The dino fruits probably even more so.

[–]ShareHappyness 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The chapter literally says she looks fine on the outside but is pulverized on the inside. Which is why one lightning blast from Nami KOed her.

[–]Zooincle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well... Maybe mytical zoans are so OP that despite being way weaker than Zoro Ulti can tank more hits... But I think Kaido/BM combo was stronger than that attack. Also Big Mom OHKO'ed Page One with a Conqueror's Haki imbued punch, so maybe direct hit (with a body part or a weapon) is stronger than the 3 hommies combo attack.

[–]warpol 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Hard comparison since it's 2 completely different situations. Impressive no doubt, but Zoro got hit by one of Kaidos main attacks, big mom basically just whacked them (no doubt very powerfully but still). Also kaido was using a big old spiked club and is also seemingly stronger than big mom, at least strength-wise.

[–]lantis0527 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I have no problem with the zoro situation. The Ulti shit just keeps getting crazy imagine tanking a full combo attack of raging BM with her best weapons and not even having a scratch and be able to move like it was nothing? That's absurd even for a mythical zoan level.

[–]warpol 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The chapter literally said she looks fine on the outside but is completely fucked basically. So, eh.

[–]lantis0527 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I can't see the evidence of being "fucked basically" by simply dodging a lightning attack.

[–]warpol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean she only dodged it going one way, and also it's not like we haven't seen completely fucked characters dodge before a zillion times in one piece. Not like Nami is top tier.

[–]AmahkYakseego-12212 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So is Yamato's declaration Oda confirming that Luffy is JB? Or is it an okey doke... like Yamato saying that Luffy is the one "Oden/Yamato" is waiting for?

[–]Airband27 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Probably Joyboy. She read Oden's diary where he writes about the one who will free wano so I think thats what Yamato is referring to.

[–]AmahkYakseego-12212 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes the most sense. Just wondering since Oda's been throwing red herrings so to speak in regards to whether or not he is.

[–]hakuno-satube 10 points11 points  (5 children)

I still believe that Zoro and Sanji will be more powerful than Yamato. You see, this follows a simple narrative in One Piece with several characters like Frankie. Remember, how powerful Frankie used to be in the beginning of One Piece, even taking on Luffy. The same with Nico Robin and now Jinbe. Look, is actually Sanji who is taking on Queen and not Jinbe.

[–]Zakmaf 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's simple really.

If Yamato is confirmed to be stronger than Zoro or even Sanji (by showing him use Conquerors against Kaido, for example), then i'm pretty sure he'll die in this arc or at least he's not gonna be able to join the Straw Hats.

[–]warpol 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Using him/he confused me in this comment, took me a second lol. I feel like Yamato will end up going back to female pronouns and give up the I am Oden thing once this is all over, especially if she joins the straw hats, but remains to be seen I guess.

[–]Zakmaf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I also think that the whole "I am Oden" is going to end by the end of the arc, because he will need to be his own person (especially if he's gonna go with Luffy).

Until then, i'm calling him whatever he calls himself. Why not after all.

[–]warpol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not wrong, but I'm in the opposite camp for ease of memory.

[–]THISISBEYONDANY 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like if we were to be confirmed that yamato can coat her attacks with conquerors haki then for sure she will be a hell of strong cuts herself away from non conquerors haki users

[–]Grafical_One 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I know Nami got the buff, but my boy Usopp really came through this chapter! Shaking off another headbutt from Ulti and helping turn the tide in the fight!

[–]DeltaRomeoKilo 10 points11 points  (17 children)

I don’t think Yamato is going to join the crew directly. You see, we have pleasures who are already against Kaido, we have gifters too who has turned against Kaido by Tama. So I think someone As powerful as Yamato who went toe to toe with ACE and currently colliding with a yonko, would unbalance the crew. My theory is that Yamato will join the SH fleet as the captain of pleasures and gifters (maybe the NEW BEAST PIRATES).

[–]ValuableSky7Slave 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Yamato said he/she will sail with Luffy on sea on Luffy's ship,not other ship..Yamato doesn't like commandint responsibilities,that is why being shogun of Wano doesn't get him/her exciting

Jimbei going toe to toe with Ace is also there plus he clashed with a yonko,it only depends on how long Yamato can do that,since even Brook who is weaker clashed with a yonko alone

[–]DeltaRomeoKilo 0 points1 point  (3 children)

well I really like to see her joining SH but since Oda always going against our expectations, I am not sure whether it is going to happen or not. Apart from that, Kaido mentioned that Wano is important, it brings the possibility that Yamato needs to stay behind to protect something valuable in Wano.

Yes Jinbe went toe to toe with Ace and he stood against BM And even kicked her in her frenzy form from the sunny. Jinbe is like a tank in SH and he was a previous warlord. Brook had no choice but clash with BM who literally obliterated him in matter of minutes but let us not forget that Oda put him against BM as he is the soul king and BM controls her army via her soul. On the other hand, Yamato is a being who is not fully introduced yet. We do not know about her devil fruit and her zoan form. She one shotted one of the numbers. Clashed with one of the flying six who is fighting Franky right now and tanked so many of armored group shots to save momo and right now clashing with Kaido with something like conquerers haki (not confirmed yet). Her power scale is just increasing during this war.

[–]tiki-baha29 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yamato will join since its been mentioned several times at this point, he will join the main crew. It makes zero sense for him to join the Grand Fleet especially since he doesnt know they exist and because Luffy doesnt recognize them as his subordinates. Yamato will be a full fledged Strawhat.

Yamato will not stay behind in Wano, what you are saying goes directly against the goals Yamato has made clear for himself. So no.

More than likely Yamato doesnt have Conquerors haki because the black lightning has been used in so many different instances too. Yamato is crazy powerful but is still weaker than Luffy.

[–]DeltaRomeoKilo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well lets agree to disagree! But regarding black lightning, give me an example!

[–]tiki-baha29 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll give you a few.

  • Chapter 771: Sai uses his leg technique to beat Lao G = Black Lightning
  • Chapter 992: The Scabbards cut Kaido using Oden's sword style as Kaido wonders why they're able to cut him = Black Lightning

There are many more examples but this is all I have time for today. The conclusion is that black lightning is not necessarily an indicator of CoC being used. Kaido obviously has it but doesnt mean Yamato does just because of the lightning.

[–]BigMrSunshine 4 points5 points  (10 children)

Jinbei went toe to toe with Ace too, I don’t think she’s too powerful to join the crew. Sanji is about to show out against Queen and Zoro has already proven his worth as a 1st commander level. Yamato is going to be around Sanji and Jinbei power wise in the crew

[–]DeltaRomeoKilo 1 point2 points  (9 children)

we all know that Zoro is more powerful than all other SHs but that does not make Sanji weak. Sanji is a beast himself. I myself cannot tell where jimbe is standing right now, is he above Sanji or not. Yamato is somehow more similar to Jimbe than Sanji and maybe above as we can see black thunders appeared after her clash with Kaido which might mean that she has the conquerors haki.

[–]tiki-baha29 1 point2 points  (8 children)

black thunders appeared after her clash with Kaido which might mean that she has the conquerors haki.

It doesnt mean that at all because black lightning has been used in other situations involving characters who dont have CoC.

[–]DeltaRomeoKilo 0 points1 point  (7 children)

OMG!!!!! Give me an example !!!

[–]tiki-baha29 1 point2 points  (6 children)


  • Chapter 771: Sai uses his leg technique to beat Lao G = Black Lightning
  • Chapter 992: The Scabbards cut Kaido using Oden's sword style as Kaido wonders why they're able to cut him = Black Lightning

There are many more examples but this is all I have time for today. The conclusion is that black lightning is not necessarily an indicator of CoC being used. Kaido obviously has it but doesnt mean Yamato does just because of the lightning.

[–]DeltaRomeoKilo -1 points0 points  (5 children)

as I said lets agree to disagree! Sai somehow has the power of conquerers as he beat Don Chinjao with that leg! He did what Garp did. So no questioning in this one! In chapter 992, we have many clashes and none of them damaged Kaido, but you are correct, PARADISE TOTSUKA, damaged him. It was Oden’s technique. The will of red scabbards together plus Oden’s technique build a massive attack which was absolutely CONQUERER and damaged Kaido!

[–]tiki-baha29 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Sai somehow has the power of conquerers as he beat Don Chinjao with that leg

No Sai does not have CoC, it has never been mentioned, never been shown, never even alluded to.

Do you have a chapter that clearly states Sai has CoC or is this something you conjured up?

The will of red scabbards together plus Oden’s technique build a massive attack which was absolutely CONQUERER and damaged Kaido!

Im not even sure I understand the train of thought that led to this conclusion.

Are you suggesting ALL the scabbards have CoC? Because Conquerers haki is an individual's skill and also isnt something you can just use because you used the techniques of a guy who had CoC..

Maybe clarify this one because if you're suggesting that the scabbards using Oden's sword style is somehow them using CoC then you might not know what CoC even is.

[–]DeltaRomeoKilo -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

OMG!!! Sai did what garp did with conquerers to Don Chinjao and you are denying the fact and your reasoning is: It was never mentioned”. nice one.

tell me! How did they damaged Kaido! Easy question very simple to answer. Every one knows normal attacks not going to damage him. you are saying you know COC And how it works! LoL! No one knows COC until Oda explains it. it is just like your black thunders theory!!

[–]tiki-baha29 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No he didnt. Garp used CoA to defeat Don Chinjao and destroyed his drill. Sai also used CoA to defeat his grandfather. Whether Garp also used CoC is something we simply do not know and you dont either because the manga didnt make that clear.

Not to mention that right after he did that Don Chinjao tells Sai that his "hard work and sweat finally paid off" saying he trained a lot to get his haki to that level to be able to do that (the haki that we saw and that Chinjao clearly pointed to). At no point was CoC thrown in there, not even once. Again I ask for a chapter reference that says Sai has CoC. You had asked me for proof and I gave you proof so now I ask the same if you want your claim to be taken seriously.

You cant just make things up, treat is as fact then act as if anybody who doesnt agree is "denying fact". Sai does not have CoC but he does have really good CoA. You are wrong sir, this is not an opinion.

How did they damaged Kaido! Easy question very simple to answer. Every one knows normal attacks not going to damage him. you are saying you know COC And how it works! LoL! No one knows COC until Oda explains it. it is just like your black thunders theory!!

You seem to ignore the context surrounding the actions that happen. If I were to follow your logic then All Scabbards have CoC, Killer has CoC, Law has CoC considering they were all able to damage Kaido. But they do not.

But I'll answer your question:

How did they damaged Kaido

This was a literal plot point in the story that Kaido himself wondered and was also answered. Oden had a unique sword style that he wanted to train his scabbards into using, at first they all resisted (we literally see the moment Kinemon tells Oden no in a flashback), however they all did end up learning it and thats what they used which was able to damage Kaido..

This is why they all took the exact same form and fighting stance as they were piercing Kaido's skin. Thats the exact form Oden fought with, they were using what he taught them. We already know there are various ways to hurt Kaido outside of CoC.

  • Killer used a sonic attack and hurt Kaido, are you going to say he has CoC too?
  • Law used his injection shot and hurt Kaido. So he has CoC too?
  • Kid has CoC but cant coat attacks with it. He did however STILL manage to hurt Kaido by applying a tremendous amount of pressure on Kaido by squeezing him.
  • Zoro just developed CoC but was able to hurt Kaido before that point.

That's how the scabbards and even the Worst Generation hurt kaido. I suggest reading the story a bit more carefully in the future because often times the answers you seek will be in there.

[–]TheLastElasticJedi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This seems likely.

[–]imfunnysotheresthat 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Dont think Yamato is gonna join. I strongly believe this is going to be a vivi situation. I already thought that but now that she said it like this I feel sure that its not happening.

I like the theory that everybody who was send to the future will die to achieve Oden his dream and after kaidos defeat yamato will probably "stay" in wano (because the borders are open)

Yes she wants to travel but to open wano like Oden wanted and keep it that way so that everybody who wants it can travel instead of going herself could happen.

But i guess it would make sense for her, strawhats are going to make full circle eventually, they need to end up all the way back to laboon. She'll see everything i guess.

[–]Jgamer520 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vivi is already listed as a strawhat in the data books i believe her number is 5.5

[–]Typin_Toddler 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Nah I think she's going. I can see why you would want to draw parallels w/ Vivi but Yamato has no such obligations.

Vivi was the literal princess of Alabasta. And she was so focused on trying to save her country. Yamato is not that interested in opening Wano's borders. That's the 9 samurai + momo's mission which indirextly req. defeating Kaido.

Yamato only wants to free Wano from Kaido, but she 100% wants to go to sea one way or the other. And I think it's highly likely based on the declaration they made.

I don't think Oda would have characters make baseless declarations unless it would be relevant later on.

[–]imfunnysotheresthat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I do agree with the fact that Oda repeatedly made her say this, and that is something that i considered. However,

Oden did die for his country and his cause, and with Yamato feeling so connected to him, I could see Oda deliberately building up emotional connection to this character, preparing us for her to join and then eventually killing her off (maybe even while assisting, or saving momo herself) and it could make sense for her story, a sad ending, but still.

Also think its weird that we didnt get any Jimbei/crew moments before somebody else joins again. But idk, its just a feeling! I like Yamato and I'd be all for her joining. But she's saying it a little bit too often lol. Guess with all the plottwists this arc I dont trust anything

[–]Typin_Toddler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True. That's a fair point lol.

But that Oden/Yamato parallel could also be connected to Luffy/Roger in that Yamato'll travel with them for a "grand" adventure.

Although I wonder if Yamato would really have have an equivalent job. Since they already have robin... But she could be log-keeper I suppose (as other ppl have pointed out). Like Oden did.

[–]dcmack1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would honestly be surprising if she doesn't. she's declared it multiple times she wants to sail the seas, was supposed to with Ace but he died then told luffy and now Kaido...doesn't sound like someone who after all that would stay behind

[–]zone-zone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Guess people who predicted Eneru/Enel to appear this arc weren't too far off haha

[–]100evo 9 points10 points  (3 children)

i am not quite a fan of Big Mom messing around with Tobi Roppos. It really degrades the power of Tobi Roppos. Hope to see other Tobi Roppos can go all out fights against the Strawhat Kid Law Alliance.

[–]Typin_Toddler 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It doesn't really. Yea, it's unfortunate that Nami couldn't get a full-fledged fight (she's barely ready to go up against a 100% healthy Tobi Roppo now because of Zeus) but it showed how durable Ancient Zoans are. Especially Ulti.

[–]dcmack1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And what people are forgetting is she isn't even a Calamity as strong as she is, Queen and King will be even stronger than that, and yet i've seen people say Zoro and Sanji gonna low diff them

[–]Typin_Toddler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, fans can sometimes be quite biased and ignorant because of a couple of "cool" scenes.

[–]OdenCusCus 19 points20 points  (26 children)

Now that Yamato surely will join the SH Pirates (Hopefully), there will be four horsemen for the strawhat crew Zorro, Sanji, Jinbei and Yamato🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[–]Villainous-Lightning 0 points1 point  (15 children)

Monster trio is luffy zoro sanji always has been always will be

That's the natural order

[–]Alteras_Imouto 0 points1 point  (12 children)

Luffy has far outstripped Zoro and Sanji at this point, and the crew has way more than just three actual monsters. That team name is dead.

[–]Villainous-Lightning 0 points1 point  (11 children)


Do you know what narrative theme is

Like honestly it’s funny how people wanna be so blind

The crew is all supposed to be monsters post timeskip anyway so your premise is moot

And Zoro just scarred kaido but yeah Luffy “far outstrips him and sanji” who is zoro’s rival pfft ok

I also like how people on this sub pretend that the other strawhats won’t grow beyond wano

[–]tiki-baha29 -1 points0 points  (10 children)

And Zoro just scarred kaido but yeah Luffy “far outstrips him and sanji” who is zoro’s rival pfft ok

Luffy has always far outstripped Zoro and Sanji, even Pre-TS. When they fought against the CP9 Kaku and Jabura's Doriki were around 2200-2150 while Luccis was almost double theirs at 4000.

Post TS we have Sanji struggling against Doffy (understandably so) and Luffy destroying him in G4 later on. Luffy uses both Future Sight, Advanced CoA and even Advanced CoC.

Luffy is much much stronger than Zoro and Sanji, but that has been the case since the series started.

[–]Villainous-Lightning -1 points0 points  (9 children)

FIRST OF ALL, lemme say this. Zoro DESTROYED kaku’s strongest attack with ashura and then one shot Kaku with the same attack. Sanji two shot jabra right after he first used diable jambe. Zoro and sanji’s fights were not that close when sanji and Zoro pulled out their equivalents to “gear second” and “gear third”. The second they got serious, they ended their fights with kaku and jabra. Luffy, on the other hand, struggled a LOT with lucci. He almost lost in fact. So your logic that luffy was “much stronger cause his opponent was so much stronger than Zoro and sanji’s” just falls apart when I barely even try to refute it😢

And Enel one shot sanji back in skypeia but luffy fucked up enel. Yet no one is saying “oh luffy must have been 5 times stronger than sanji in skypeia because Enel beat sanji so easily” it doesn’t work like that goddamnit!

Looking at the things like doriki and power levels is exactly what’s wrong with dbz. Don’t do it to one piece

Also jabra and kaku’s doriki would have gone up with their zoan power just like lucci.

But Zoro and luffy fight in whiskey peak to portray their proper strength dynamic, Sanji has always been close to Zoro, MAYBE slightly less than Zoro is to luffy, but it’s always been close

Finally, Luffy did not “destroy” doflamingo! Sure he had him outclassed, but doflamingo could have possibly won that conflict. Also, this is such a bad comparison. Sanji didn’t even know what doflamingo’s devil fruit was, how’re you gonna say it’s fair to compare sanji and luffy’s fights against doflamingo?

I just destroy people on this sub

[–]tiki-baha29 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Looking at the things like doriki and power levels is exactly what’s wrong with dbz. Don’t do it to one piece

The doriki system is written by Oda just like everything else in the story, dont go discounting it just because it goes against your own narrative. Its as canon as anything else in the manga. What I said is simply based on facts: Luffy had almost twice what Zoro/Sanji had.

Also kaku and jabra’s doriki would have gone up with their zoan forms

You literally just made that up. Fukurou explains how the system works and never said anything about that.

You’re just mistaken but it would take too much of my time to explain why you’re wrong

First rule when you cant adequately defend your own argument, tell the other person they're wrong without providing evidence or reason.

Good job.

how’re you gonna say it’s fair to compare sanji and luffy’s fights against doflamingo?

Doffy easily fended off Sanji's diable jambe even before he used his devil fruit on him. The diable jambe at that point was still Sanji's strongest attack.

Compare that to G4 where both in speed and power Doffy was completely outmatched. Even in a direct haki exchange of fists Doffy's hands hurt showing just how large the gap between Doffy and G4 Luffy is.

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      [–]tiki-baha29 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      Noticing that you've resulted to even more insults and name calling when discussing a fictional story in this subreddit that we all enjoy, shows me that you arent the kind of person whos mature enough to have a reasonable conversation.

      Just another internet tough guy behind his keyboard. If you choose to believe you destroyed me in this argument feel free to. Learn to converse like an adult in the future.

      [–]Villainous-Lightning -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      I don’t like ignorance. But whatever dude I proved you wrong. Nice default tho

      Also, you called me wrong about jabra when I was right. That annoys me. Don’t do that

      [–]OdenCusCus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Yes but it would be even better if he has commander's group name kind of like, Sweet Generals for Big Mom and All-stars for Kaido's

      [–]Villainous-Lightning 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I think he’s supposed to be more like roger who had Rayleigh and scopper, two top guys more relative in strength to their captain rather than three commanders much weaker than their captain

      [–]Twiddydinkle 0 points1 point  (9 children)

      You'd think Yamato deserves a place on the Sunny, while barely half the Strawhats know who she is.

      [–]tiki-baha29 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Literally the only person who decides who joins is Luffy so if Yamato wanted to join the Strawhats and had to meet one person then Luffy is IT.

      What you'e saying would apply more to Carrot who hasnt formed much of a relationship with Luffy, reducing the chances she joins the crew.

      [–]CaseemI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      She could always sneak her way on just like Oden did to WB

      [–]zone-zone 13 points14 points  (5 children)

      Nico Robin entered the chat

      [–]Twiddydinkle 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      Robin was actually known and introduced to the Straw Hats at the beginning of Alabasta arc though.
      On the other hand I doubt if any Strawhat other than Luffy actually met and recognized Yamato in recent chapters

      [–]Ok-Negotiation-2392 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      We will see the outcome at the end of the arc, when Robin is introduced it was not possible to predict she will be a SH member at the end right ? Btw the interaction with other member will be funny if they learn she is Kaido 's daugther xD

      [–]zone-zone 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I'd argue that no introduction raises more acceptance than Robin's for the crew

      [–]Twiddydinkle -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

      Robin's introduction as a character and her asking to join the crew are two entirely different things. She first appeared as a minor villian on Crocodile's side to threaten the Strawhats, not to ask to join them.

      Nonetheless Robin joing the crew at the first place because she is grateful that Luffy saved her life from Crocodile, whereas Yamato all of the sudden just demands Luffy that she is treated as a part of his crew, of the Strawhats, without the slightest knowledge from the other crew members, so Yamato is irrelevant and should not belong to the main cast.

      [–]root_of_all_squirrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If someone said to you that Robin would join while the manga was at little garden, I am sure you would have said she should not belong to the main cast.

      [–]OdenCusCus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Only luffy knows her haha but you could dream. And Yamato has been locked by Kaido all her life, it's depict as Oden's being feel imprisoned at Wano-kuni.

      [–]Sukeshram7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I still cant see how luffy is gonna defeat kaido here. Agreed it is to happen, but just cant see how. I mean, Luffy is totally drained out while kaido is still miles ahead in strength. It is though to think that he comes up with a something new now with his existing strength which he couldn't do before.

      [–]Twiddydinkle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      It took Luffy 14 chapters to beat Katakuri , whereas Luffy only fought Kaido consecutively for barely 7 chapters, then it jumped to Luffy just losing consciousness and jumped into the sea, not to mention he's now against the overwhelming force of a Yonko instead of just against a Yonko commander who Luffy almost lost to.

      It might be a dozen more chapters until Law's crew could heal Luffy and drag him to the Flower Capital to get a rematch

      [–]blightingale 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      During Luffy vs Katakuri, Katakuri keeps mentioning about how his observation haki is the one factor that Luffy kept getting destroyed. Luffy mastered his observation haki and defeated Katakuri.

      Remember what Kaido said to Luffy as he fell into the sea? "Your conqueror haki coating attacks are clumsy". That's exactly what he needs to win.

      Once Luffy masters conqueror haki coating (during battle just like with Katakuri) he'll probably get a new gear 4. That's when he beats Kaido.

      Of course that's assuming Oda wants to write it exactly the same way as Luffy vs Katakuri.

      [–]kabegaki 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      Oda deliberately draws that giant sword on Onigashima, very often. Highly likely it will play a role in this arc. I wonder if Kid is able to manipulate something that big with his ability.

      [–]yoho96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think people are looking to deep into it,it's probably just a sword, Oda draws it for continuity he can't draw it sometimes and not draw it other times then people would be asking "where the fuck does the sword keep going" if he highlighted the sword some how maybe but so far he hasn't

      [–]Mnawab 29 points30 points  (3 children)

      Zeus: give me a new name nami!

      Nami: cotton?!

      Zeus: Zeus it is!

      [–]Internal-Can-4567 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

      In Greek Mythology, Zeus is the grandson of Uranus.

      So, with Zeus getting in sync with Nami, its likely that now Strawhats have Uranus powers too.

      [–]warpol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This seems nonsense, for starters, too? They're friends with Poseidon but don't have her on their crew, they don't have a ship that can destroy islands (which doesn't really link to the god Pluto in many ways), and all Zeus has done for Nami is power up her existing attacks, so even if Uranus is some kind of super powered sky lightning thing, then Nami already had Uranus powers.

      [–]Lessandero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      She called him Fluff

      [–]Mnawab 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      It's good to see nami get a huge upgrade and it's even better to know that Luffy is getting another strong nakama. He needs more strong fighters with how things are going. Wish usop would get a power up Soon.

      [–]Deanomac2010 7 points8 points  (12 children)

      I swear my COO is detecting that 25% of one piece characters have COC nowadays.

      [–]tiki-baha29 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      We only have 16 confirmed CoC users and that includes characters like Roger who are dead. Not sure how you got to 25% of characters but that number could not be further from the truth.

      [–]Heavenansidhe 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      Well we arent in the east blue anymore

      [–]Deanomac2010 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

      Not arguing that, its just COC is meant to be unique and god like power that very few people are born with.

      [–]Heavenansidhe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      And thats the case. It is very few.

      [–]Camstatic 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      what is COC? clash of clans

      [–]Professional-Tea-121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      yea, im pretty sure 25% of the one piece characters enjoy their days off with clash of clans.

      too bad their day offs are so rare, we barely see them playing..

      [–]Deanomac2010 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      COC= Colour of Conqueror

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      [–]Think_Poetry_4424 19 points20 points  (3 children)

      That’s actually 0.018% if ur’re being technical. 🚶‍♂️

      [–]lzunscrfbjSlave -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

      Stop being technical.

      [–]Think_Poetry_4424 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      oh- ayte😔

      [–]Deanomac2010 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      He a party pooper dont let it get to you ☺️

      [–]rahmanm855 24 points25 points  (3 children)

      Chopper-emon bought the alliance 4,000 members from the ice poison crew. This deserves him the MVP after the arc is done.

      Big Meme couldn’t properly dispose of Ulti-sama, but at least Usohacchi and O-Nami got the job done. I loved seeing O-Nami with upgraded Zeus beat Ulti-sama to a fried crisp. I hope Zeus sticks around, I love his cute face and hat. It's kind of funny we're seeing more of Zeus in recent chapters than any other Straw Hats lel

      O-Tama’s moment almost came, but the pay off was so worth it! That moment felt legendary, seeing a little girl rise up to save her country with what she is about to say. For some reason, the fact we don’t see it happen yet might mean that someone will stop her first.

      Oda really likes to draw Kaido’s dragon form, it’s always awesome seeing it.

      Oh wow, I didn’t expect to see Yamato declare to join the crew this soon. I don’t mind it, but it would be depressing if Carrot also doesn’t join. The missing devil fruit in Straw Hat's crew is missing the number 2,9 pattern and now it will be satisfied by Yamato’s rumored “Nekko Nekko” rather than Kuma’s “Nikyu Nikyu”. I was hoping that wild theory of Vivi eating Kuma’s fruit would allow her to come back, but at least Oda had that red herring brewing (or perhaps it was a coincidence).

      It’s interesting that we’re finally getting official confirmation of the defeats. This should quicken up the pace of Act 3. If this format follows, then we can expect Jinbe, O-Robin, Franosuke, and Bonekichi to win their fights in succeeding chapters. We may see the other fights like Jack vs Inuarashi, Sangoro vs Queen, and Marco vs King wrap up. Zorojuro's fight is TBD, and then we have the random fights like Killer, Drake, etc.

      Most importantly, I can’t wait to see Sanji simp over Yamato.

      [–]A_BlackMambaExplorer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Seeing Tenguyama taking care of Otoko and her not crying her eyes out, seeing the villagers celebrate the fire festival and learning its actual meaning of paying respect to the dead..this gave me a moment of brief joy before the sudden realisation of the impending doom of Onigashima floating over them as Tengu and Otoko look above oblivious to it..Oda knows how to create goosebumps perfectly!

      [–]Ok-Negotiation-2392 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      xD indeed I love Zeus 's hat too, I also notice ODA likes to draw Onigashima, this big skull from an ancien giant race or something else may be part of the reason Kaido stays at Wano, and the interaction between Nami and Zeus is so hilarious, in short, which name is better, Zeus or Cotton ? :D

      [–]Alteras_Imouto 6 points7 points  (10 children)

      I can't wait for Odin and Carrot to force their way onto Luffy's ship, not even gonna give him a choice.

      [–]Mnawab 1 point2 points  (9 children)

      Odin? You mean Yamato? And carrot is already part of the crew at this point.

      [–]loo-streamer 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      Not really about the chapter but more for adding one more crew member:

      The only reason why I see Yamato/Carrot/someone else as a possible crewmate is because the Blackbeard pirates have 11 main crew and I could see Oda wanting to make it so that the final fight between the SH/BB would be 1v1s.

      [–]ExplodyShark7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      With Gangster Gastino as the 11th member, I can't see Yamato or Carrot joining anymore.

      [–]Ok-Negotiation-2392 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I may miss something but who is the 10th member in Blackbeard crew ? (excluding teach)

      [–]loo-streamer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I don't think they've been revealed yet but under Teach he has 10 Titanic Captains. Obviously the 9 we know about and 1 unknown.

      [–]RedditianDrew -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      The way I see it is that BB would fight against shanks and his crew on the 1v1s because I think also his main crew was to mirror luffy and now with the BB you can see already the possible matchups already. BB possibly kill shanks.and his crew and then the SH comes and then the final.battle of SH v BB would take place and it would he a 1v1 to showcase the full tenacity and strength of the crew.

      [–]dogs_drink_coffee 18 points19 points  (4 children)

      Yamato is, non sarcastically, the gifts that keeps on giving

      [–]Deanomac2010 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I feel like the only person that isnt on the yamato fan club.

      I must be an simpleton lol

      [–]Lessandero 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Yamatos character has not been established that much yet, I just like the badass part.

      [–]Deanomac2010 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      She is a badass no doubt!

      [–]neverphoget 19 points20 points  (3 children)

      Fans: It’s unlikely that Yamato would join, he still has to look over Beast Pirates’ remnants.

      Oda: Hold my pen

      [–]blizzard-op 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I say a more likely outcome for the Beast Pirates is the crew disbands and splinter off into their own sections underneath the flags of the Supernovas on Wano, hopefully beefing up their respective crews. Kidd, Hawkins, Apoo and Law could really use the firepower any of the Beast Pirates members could provide them

      [–]ValuableSky7Slave 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      People have misunderstood Yamato's intention,its about defeating Kaido out of Wano and then going out of the sea to sail with Luffy,not take over the remnants..if Yamato doesn't want to rule Wano as shogun,then how is that different from ruling the Beast Pirates right?Yamato wants to be free of responsibility

      [–]Uvcan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Correct. As Oden had his journey with WB and PK. Yamato wants to become Oden.

      [–]Deanomac2010 15 points16 points  (5 children)


      Shame big mom already basically wrecked ulti already so its kinda unfair, but you snooze you lose ;)

      [–]GaaraSama83 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I'm still not sure about Page and Ulti being out of the fight.

      [–]Deanomac2010 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yehh well i wouldnt mind if they get something else there cool lol

      [–]Uvcan 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      Yes, but Nami still has power left to fight others. We didn't see Nami 1:1 in whole cake Island as well. But her fights are more of finding weakness/creating opportunity, exploiting them, and taking best advantage of the situation. She is never about raw power, its always her brain and techniques that gets her out of tough situations.

      [–]Deanomac2010 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yeh i know that lol.

      That the thing i love about ussop and nami, i was being sarcastic cause big mom already done all the work lol

      [–]Mnawab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Well she was just given a lot of raw power

      [–]Social_Critic_Fuck 16 points17 points  (1 child)

      This is the part where... all the villains go down on the following chapters?

      [–]PsychoLogical25Pirate 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      yes :p

      [–]Savings-Patience-675 50 points51 points  (10 children)

      Daily reminder that smoothie still exists in the arc

      [–]klarity27 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      I deadass forgot about every BM pirate aside from Perospero and BM herself. I forgot they're here in Wano, but they're not even doing anything so where have they been all this time.

      [–]Fluffysquishia 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      No joke the scale of this arc is unprecedented. I imagine Oda is having a hard time figuring out screen time for all the characters.

      [–]klarity27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I can tell he's had a hard time with alot in this arc. That's why some things including powerscaling have been rushed.

      [–]hsm4ever10 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Big Mom and Perospero: Fighting a big war in Wano

      Smoothie: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that

      [–]Hshah0182Explorer 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      I had a free award to give away, you can have it.