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To all you Zarya mains out there: It's been an honor. Sincerely: Your Reinhardts.Fan Content (i.redd.it)

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[–]SadNeptune8 4672 points4673 points  (197 children)

As the Zarya player to my Reinhardt, I agree it HAS been an honor

[–]CheezMeister__ 1154 points1155 points  (133 children)

We can only hope one day that we can fight with you again

[–]hakuna_dentata 456 points457 points  (11 children)

See you in Mystery Heroes, friend.

[–]Memulon 70 points71 points  (6 children)

I wish

[–]NikkMakesVideos 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I think this comment cursed us lol, they removed MH within hours of it

[–]Memulon 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Wait, WHAT?!

[–]NikkMakesVideos 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Yep, no mystery heroes or quick play classic as of today. It may last until the end of the event too.

[–]mari0b03 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Made me shed a tear

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    [–]outfoxingthefoxes 226 points227 points  (117 children)

    I mean Overwatch will still be a game

    [–]MylesofTexasTrick-or-Treat Lúcio 126 points127 points  (56 children)

    No it won't actually. OW1 will be folded into OW2 upon release and these changes look like they're here to stay. Enjoy 6v6 while you can on the live game

    [–]Push_My_Owl 74 points75 points  (55 children)

    Out of the loop here. Whats happening? Why is 6v6 being reduced to 5v5 and why is rein and zara saying goodbye?

    [–]Insanebrain247 139 points140 points  (42 children)

    I don't know about why they're changing to 5v5 but apparently the new team composition will be 2 dps, 2 support, and 1 tank, so Zarya and Reinhardt can't be played together.

    [–]TrevmiesterChibi Reinhardt 96 points97 points  (40 children)

    To reduce the amount of shields and make the game more fast paced. They are even reworking the tanks to be more tank-dps hybrid as well.

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        [–]Bevur 20 points21 points  (2 children)

        instead of having 6 players in a 2-2-2 format it will be 5 players with a 1-2-2 format with only 1 tank. so we won't be able to play rein zarya anymore

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          [–]SainyuleChibi Ashe 92 points93 points  (12 children)

          But didn't you hear from user Xx_IrrelevantPlayer_xX and user HaventPlayedOverwatchSinceYear4? They said Overwatch is dead! What do you mean it'll still be a game?

          [–]j1m3y 23 points24 points  (8 children)

          I'm HaventPlayedOverwatchSinceYear4 what have the changed? I've seen a couple posts in passing

          [–]aqlnoPixel Reinhardt 35 points36 points  (7 children)

          OW2 is moving to 5v5 gameplay. 1 tank, 2 DPS, 2 Support per team.

          No date on OW2 yet, but it will be replacing OW1 PvP for everyone for free.

          [–]I_am_Bruce_WayneShooting Ana 20 points21 points  (1 child)

          2055

          [–]roarinboar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          One can hope.

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                [–]iGetBuckets3 608 points609 points  (27 children)

                As a Zarya main, I’m legitimately devastated by this change. Theres no better feeling than getting matched up with a good reinhardt on your team and just fucking shit up together. To all the amazing reinhardts that I have played with over the years, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for the memories, thank you for the fun, thank you helping me climb up to plat, and thank you for being my shield. This game won’t be the same without you. May we meet again some day.

                [–]behvJack of Hearts Winston 351 points352 points  (1 child)

                As a main tank player, thanks for letting me swing my dick all over a server while we bubble dance

                [–]TovasaurQueen of Diamonds Pharah 119 points120 points  (0 children)

                ^ this guy fucks

                [–]Penta-DunkCATCHPHRASE! 110 points111 points  (1 child)

                Same for real. As a rein main whenever I saw someone instalock Zarya in a competitive game I always felt happy. It’s gonna feel empty not having someone to shield me when I go for a reckless charge, or to cover me when I have to put down my shield and retreat. Thank you to all the Zaryas who made my tanking experience that much greater.

                [–]iGetBuckets3 50 points51 points  (0 children)

                I feel this so much. My eyes light up anytime the other tank instalocks Rein. You just know that shits about to go down.

                [–]ITworksGuys 33 points34 points  (5 children)

                My daughter has made GM mostly with Rein and she is MEGA pissed with this news.

                I can't say I understand the game well enough to understand why but this thread helps.

                [–]iGetBuckets3 31 points32 points  (4 children)

                To sum it up, Rein and Zarya is one of the best combos in the entire game. They are peanut butter and jelly. They are macaroni and cheese. They are incomplete without each other. A good reinhardt zarya combo and absolutely dominate a game together. With the new proposed changes, it wont be possible to play rein and zarya together anymore. I could go more in depth as to WHY they are so good together, thats the short story as to why people are upset.

                [–]Eclypse90Chibi Doomfist 21 points22 points  (0 children)

                This post got me emotional. IM AT WORK YOU JERK. o7

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                  [–]raccoonbrigade 95 points96 points  (3 children)

                  As a Zarya to a Rein. Please press W.

                  [–]I_am_Bruce_WayneShooting Ana 27 points28 points  (1 child)

                  My favorite part is always watching a Rein just have their shield up near spawn and start walking towards the enemy fire, never once taking cover to recharge. Then complains that their shield is being melted.

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                    [–]AJacobCruz 38 points39 points  (7 children)

                    I’m very confused? What’s happening to tanks in Overwatch?!

                    [–]RyamixPixel Pharah 100 points101 points  (6 children)

                    1 tank per team with OW2, I believe

                    [–]AJacobCruz 35 points36 points  (1 child)

                    Oh okay I gotcha. I heard the 1-2-2 set up but thought it was an update for Overwatch currently and didn’t see any changes, thank you for clarifying!

                    [–]Snoo61755 22 points23 points  (3 children)

                    What? Why? The tank category is arbitrary anyways - some characters labeled as tanks aren't even built around protection - Roadhog is great, but if you pick Roadhog as a tank, you still need a tank.

                    I mean, this change just feels like it stiffles possible compositions. I can't even imagine what happens when two 'tank mains' show up to the same match. Were they so bothered by the amount of barriers going around that this was deemed necessary?

                    [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                    Definitely this. Zarya can for sure play with other tanks,but it was always such a powerful combo with Rein.

                    Fucking 5v5

                    [–]DEADSKULLZ31 16 points17 points  (11 children)

                    I’m out of the loop, what happened?

                    [–]RyamixPixel Pharah 36 points37 points  (10 children)

                    Only 1 tank per team once overwatch 2 releases

                    [–]drbirthday69 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                    As a fellow Zarya, my Rein and I were very bummed to say the least. Looks like I’ll have to go full support for the big lug.

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                      [–]MatchstickMcGee 1639 points1640 points  (15 children)

                      ;_;7

                      [–]Teemoney93 782 points783 points  (141 children)

                      What happened to zarya? What did I miss?

                      [–]Mundit00Pixel Genji 1704 points1705 points  (139 children)

                      Overwatch 2 is removing a tank for 5v5, as if people needed more pressure to be a shield tank.

                      [–]pjreddickOff-Tank 557 points558 points  (71 children)

                      Tbh, I would not be surprised to see off tanks get damage buffed and health nerfed and become bruisers with util to fill one of the DPS slots.

                      [–]DeloreanMcartneyTrick-or-Treat Tracer 479 points480 points  (68 children)

                      all tanks are going to get the bruiser treatement. In fact it's not the offtank role thats going to go, its pretty much the main tank role

                      [–]no1darker 243 points244 points  (54 children)

                      Seeing other people’s reactions is wild because they seem to think that tanks, as they are, are going to function the exact same way in OW2 when they’re clearly going to be revamped to make up for it.

                      [–]Rrambu 163 points164 points  (49 children)

                      ikr?

                      it's like they completely missed the part where Rein can now pretty much drift and even cancel his charge to a shield. No one who's complaining is even considering all the changes made in favor to the solo tank, like nerf to CCs, tank getting less knockback, and people getting less ult charge when damaging them.

                      Not to mention this is all still a work in progress...

                      [–]Jbulls94 79 points80 points  (7 children)

                      It's a good point, but for me that's the problem I have with this. It feels like they're just making tanks into different dps. I'm worried a lot of the tactical side of playing tank is gonna be lost.

                      [–]wkdzelplz stop nerfing me 71 points72 points  (12 children)

                      Funny that you mention all this as it's actually what worries me more. The game is going to be unrecognizable. Main tanks were always a thing when we started and now we're losing them. It's gonna be like WoW for me. It'll change to the point I don't even want to play it any more.

                      But the trade-off of course is PvE story content which I love so, I guess there's always that.

                      [–]Womblue 57 points58 points  (19 children)

                      The point is that nobody cares about the tank buffs, because that isn't the issue. The issue is that all the different play styles in this game are based on your two tanks and how they work together. Now, instead of each tank being half of a whole, they're just... a whole on their own. The number of ways to play is massively reduced and the teamwork and strategy required is completely gutted.

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                          [–]CMMiller89D.Va 44 points45 points  (10 children)

                          Exactly. Zarya is going to be in her prime. Its Orisa and Rein that are going to get the axe.

                          [–]TheExtremistModerate乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 27 points28 points  (6 children)

                          Yeah, they're really gonna bring the hammer down on shield tanks.

                          [–]aduckonquack1986Pixel Reinhardt 18 points19 points  (5 children)

                          Hammer down......I see what you done there 😂👊🏻

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                              [–]SometimesLucyZen for DPS 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                              It seems like they’re looking at a mixture of offensive and defensive buffs. They mentioned buffing Dva’s defensive matrix so she could absorb more aggression.

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                                [–]rad0909 71 points72 points  (16 children)

                                They addressed this issue in the live stream. The new maps have a lot of extra cover built in so you don't need as much shielding to push up. Also tank abilities are being buffed to increase the viability of off-tanks.

                                [–]tyvsaur 63 points64 points  (15 children)

                                Are they addressing the old maps to add extra cover as well? Because if they only add like 3-4 maps you, reworked the game for like 25% of the maps.

                                [–]AlpineodinRed Hanzo 38 points39 points  (10 children)

                                all 2cp are being removed

                                [–]that_orange_guy 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                                Is this true??

                                [–]elyk12121212High Roller Wrecking Ball 24 points25 points  (1 child)

                                From my understanding they are reworking the maps into different game modes. 2CP is just too difficult from a balance perspective.

                                [–]wkdzelplz stop nerfing me 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                It's a shame because I do kinda enjjoy 2cp TBH, when it manages to be a balanced game. It's just rarely balanced :D

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                                    [–]Hei-YingRhythmic Symmetra 19 points20 points  (2 children)

                                    Super asked this question. As I recall, the answer was no and that they hadn't even really thought of the old maps being an issue.

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                                      [–]Teemoney93 26 points27 points  (4 children)

                                      I don't see why they need to remove a tank for that lol or do you just mean there's only 1 tank spot for the team?

                                      [–]cloud_cleaverIcon Moira 33 points34 points  (1 child)

                                      That's what he means. They removed a tank slot in the roles.

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                                        [–]SeaTurtlesAreDope 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                        “When I used to play Overwatch not only was 5x Soldier 76 possible, but was a viable competitive strategy”

                                        “Sure thing grandpa. Let’s get you to bed”

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                                            [–]danny6440 2499 points2500 points  (184 children)

                                            Man I don’t know how I feel about this, I’m sure I’ll get used to it, but something about having that 2 tank dynamic just feels RIGHT :/

                                            [–]IrrelevantPuppyLúcio 138 points139 points  (7 children)

                                            My biggest worry is how they’re going to make people stop seeing some heros as “off tank”. Having a shield to play around is huge for a feeling of stability for a lot of people, for better or worse, it’s simply a fact.

                                            Every non-shield tank is going to need to have a very powerful and unique way to protect the team. How do we stop every match from starting with “shield pls” in chat?

                                            [–]Q-U-I-X-O-T-I-CHangzhou Spark 38 points39 points  (0 children)

                                            Especially at low ranks

                                            [–]skrilla76 36 points37 points  (2 children)

                                            Yup, and ill say this. If the new OW2 DVa has the same amount and range of DM as she does in the current game at launch, then I will know within minutes if the new OW2 game will be shit or not, itll be a very simple litmus test to how much brains the devs have/had during OW2 development.

                                            [–]DexarriEcho 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                            It was already shown in the livestream that she has a lot more matrix pool to use, it also looked like it was coming back quicker. (Although I'm not certain about that last part).

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                                              [–]GiveNamCute Zenyatta 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                              Every non-shield tank is going to need to have a very powerful and unique way to protect the team. How do we stop every match from starting with “shield pls” in chat?

                                              Play on console. Problem solved

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                                                [–]Financial-Trifle-909 726 points727 points  (51 children)

                                                Yea I can tell some people who were only comfortable as off-tanks won’t be playing tank anymore (I’m some people)

                                                [–]chillyhellion 524 points525 points  (20 children)

                                                And if there's one thing Overwatch needed, it's less incentive to play tank.

                                                [–]LowKey-NoPressure 156 points157 points  (18 children)

                                                Well now you need half as many tanks so it’s fine

                                                [–]Financial-Trifle-909 214 points215 points  (13 children)

                                                Oh my god it was their plan all along, Overwatch 3 won’t have any tanks at all.

                                                [–]WASD_clickChibi Junkrat 250 points251 points  (12 children)

                                                Overwatch 3: Nobody wants to play tanks, so we removed them. Just support and DPS.

                                                Overwatch 4: Nobody wants to play supportss, so we removed them. Just DPS.

                                                Overwatch 5: Nobody wants to play the objective, so we removed them. Just team deathmatch.

                                                Overwatch 6: Nobody wants to cooperate with their team, so we removed teams. We are rebranding to Unreal Tournament.

                                                [–]sebasq10 120 points121 points  (8 children)

                                                Overwatch 7: We just matchmake people based on the coordinates they're at, choose a spot 10 minutes away from all of them, and just let them go over there and beat the shit out of each other. Last one standing takes a selfie and we'll update your rank.

                                                [–]Kaifire941Reinhardt 63 points64 points  (6 children)

                                                Overwatch 8: We noticed that fistfights were a little unbalanced, so we’re giving everyone guns.

                                                [–]Protocol_Nine 48 points49 points  (4 children)

                                                Overwatch 9: Hey, where did everyone go?

                                                [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (3 children)

                                                Overwatch 10: Jeff Returns.

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                                                          [–]pm_me_ur_wrasse 58 points59 points  (2 children)

                                                          There wont be any "tanks". Just OP dps who happen to have huge health pools.

                                                          [–]Dirtshank 32 points33 points  (0 children)

                                                          Yeah but only one or two at a time while the rest are just subpar enough that your teammates will harass you out of playing them for "wasting" the single tank slot. And then get ready for years of over corrections that try to fix the current meta but never the root cause.

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                                                              [–]pm_me_ur_wrasse 79 points80 points  (6 children)

                                                              The 2 tank dynamic to me is what defined overwatch and made it different from just another cod/cs clone. No other shooter offered that. It might be true that this is easier to balance but overwatch is definitely losing what made it special and you often don't realize that until it's too late.

                                                              [–]slothxaxmatic 282 points283 points  (65 children)

                                                              Depends, when they had the experimental one tank mode I LOVED it. If they work the tanks right it could be fun! (Opinion)

                                                              [–]tsundere_megumiPixel D.Va 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                                                              But in that experimental mode, you had 3 dps and the tank was basically an ult battery.

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                                                                [–]OWProfessor 29 points30 points  (8 children)

                                                                If 5v5 is kept I would like a system that allows up to two heroes to be chosen per role, to the maximum of five players. Run two tanks if you want, or two supports, or one tank and two dps, or any combination thereof. I truly feel this could open the doors for truly strategic games.

                                                                [–]MissPandaSlothCute D.Va 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                                There will still be a meta and most likely the meta will be 2 tanks 1dps 2 supports because of goats. So what you will have is if you don't pick that and your enemy does it will be a throw.

                                                                222 gave the most diversity in variations.

                                                                There is no such thing as "choose your roles" diversity in competative games beyond very low ranks, it's unavoidable, the second one comp is 1% better than other that will have to be played. When the queue was open it was only an illusion of choice because if you did not went 222 it was already soft throw unless again, you are in very low ranks with a smurf or people not even knowing how they abilities work.

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                                                                  [–]ai2006 48 points49 points  (7 children)

                                                                  I’m sure I’ll get used to it

                                                                  I have no intentions of getting used to something this stupid. Tank duos and 6v6 are a core aspect of Overwatch. Please fight against this. Don't say "its how it is", say no.

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                                                                    [–]Fast_Trigger 1103 points1104 points  (54 children)

                                                                    I think this is a bit too early, 2-2-2 will remain for another 2 years.

                                                                    [–]TheCluelessDeveloper 466 points467 points  (10 children)

                                                                    Me and my friends are going to miss 6 stacking. It was hard enough to tell folks that we had no room. Not enough for 10 players, too many for just 5.

                                                                    [–]lenivn92Moira 143 points144 points  (0 children)

                                                                    This should be an opportunity to play vs mode matches. To make 5v5 and all be friends.... But I don't think they do that. That's still a custom option

                                                                    [–]moistIam 92 points93 points  (3 children)

                                                                    Ooooh Mr. Popular here.. I still don't have the trophy where you have to play a game in a party..

                                                                    [–]JustSomeDudeStanding 50 points51 points  (0 children)

                                                                    I’m happy to strip your party v card

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                                                                        [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (18 children)

                                                                        2 more years of overwatch? Feels bad

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                                                                          [–]RedxHarlowGenji 2493 points2494 points  (118 children)

                                                                          Guys you are forgetting one small detail, Overwatch 2 is never coming out, so you dont have to worry about this. (Even though im not terribly worried about 6v6 existing in arcade in OW2 anyway) I think 5v5 has some potential, and its not like they cant just flip a switch and change it back if it actually turns out to be hell on Earth.

                                                                          [–]Parefl0wLúcio and Baptiste 444 points445 points  (90 children)

                                                                          True, we haven't gotten anything. What is blizzard even up to?

                                                                          [–][deleted] 418 points419 points  (13 children)

                                                                          Mobile waifu capchas.

                                                                          [–]AStoopidSpaz 137 points138 points  (3 children)

                                                                          Is that where it shows a grid of nine anime girls and you have to find the tiles with best girl?

                                                                          [–]atle95Reinhardt 29 points30 points  (2 children)

                                                                          Assuming your waifu is a girl, yes

                                                                          [–]Bevelled 51 points52 points  (0 children)

                                                                          Do you all not have phones?!?!

                                                                          [–]DestrixGunnar 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                          This is hilarious when you realise man's tryna say gachas

                                                                          [–]AyyyAlamo 18 points19 points  (6 children)

                                                                          ... do you mean gatcha?

                                                                          [–]EolithixxMercy 46 points47 points  (5 children)

                                                                          ... do you mean gacha?

                                                                          [–]AveDominusNox 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                                                                          ... I think you both mean Gattaca? Wait, did I wander out of the Ethan Hawk subreddit again?

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                                                                            [–]Fyrefawx 153 points154 points  (66 children)

                                                                            Want to know the real reason for the delay? 5 v 5. OW2 pvp was essentially an update with new maps and heroes.

                                                                            They then decided this was the time to drop from 6 to 5. Doing so meant having to rework half the roster.

                                                                            Hence why we didn’t see a lot of heroes in the demo.

                                                                            As for why they switched to 5 v 5? The real reason is queue times. They’ve been trying to solve this issue for a while. Priority passes just created new problems. They know they’ve been losing players because nobody wants to wait 10 minutes for a game just to have someone leave and wait 10 minutes again.

                                                                            Dropping the teams to 10 means more tanks are available so they’ll be faster queues for everyone.

                                                                            [–]JoeyThePantz 76 points77 points  (13 children)

                                                                            Maybe they've been developing the massive PvE for the past couple of years and just now are getting to pvp.

                                                                            [–]Noviinha 43 points44 points  (4 children)

                                                                            oh man I would love to play a pve overwatch right now.

                                                                            [–]JoeyThePantz 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                                                                            The modifiers on the archives events are pretty fun. Just played a junkenstein with random hero swaps.

                                                                            [–]Juanpi__ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Theres some in custom games, i played heat street (i think) yesterday where you and 4 other players fight bots and slowly upgrade. Of course not the same as polished ow2 pve gameplay but its still pretty good.

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                                                                              [–]SmokeDatDankShit 60 points61 points  (23 children)

                                                                              yeah but listen, you know, just make tank enjoyable to play? Half the time in gold lobbies your team wont follow you, ensuring your certain death.

                                                                              [–]Korhal_IVGroup up with me! Group up with me! Group up with me! 50 points51 points  (15 children)

                                                                              Half the time in gold lobbies your team wont follow you, ensuring your certain death.

                                                                              You can't enforce social rules with game mechanics. I think it would have been interesting if they spent more effort trying to build social bonds between players, so that you'd be able to play more with the same tanks / DPS / support and build some understanding and teamwork. Something like a "Squadmates!" XP bonus if you play 3+ games in a row with the same people, plus in-game guilds and clans.

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                                                                                  [–]devin241 30 points31 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Laying off staff members to grant bonuses to top executives?

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                                                                                    [–]Lilshadow48I hate Doomfist more than I hate living 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    tfw I actually want this to be true instead of being hyped for it

                                                                                    good moves blizzard

                                                                                    [–]Xros90Joker Roadhog 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    Uh... they are balancing the whole game around it, of course they can’t exactly just “flip a switch”.

                                                                                    [–]FernerniaPro Lucio btw 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    Blizzard has only reverted a change like once

                                                                                    [–]KetriaavaCrusader Reinhardt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    Seeing as how they intend to rebalance the entire game around it, they can, in fact, not just flip a switch.

                                                                                    It's just a bad idea from the get-go.

                                                                                    [–]geeky_username 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                                                                                    and its not like they cant just flip a switch and change it back

                                                                                    They can flip to make it 6 slots again , but they can't instantly undo all the buffs tanks will get.

                                                                                    If they flipped it back to 2 tanks, they'd be obscenely powerful, which is why they can't do it

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                                                                                      [–]MomoR257Ten of Spades Zarya 764 points765 points  (45 children)

                                                                                      I litterally just got into tanking main with zar… either i‘ll stick to it and have some fun till i can‘t or switch rn…

                                                                                      [–]dandemoniummWrecking Ball 479 points480 points  (34 children)

                                                                                      Just stick to it. Zarya will get buffed to be even more fun when she is the only tank on a team.

                                                                                      [–]fellowsquareChibi Junkrat 188 points189 points  (22 children)

                                                                                      Double bubble baby!

                                                                                      [–]69-redditman-69 108 points109 points  (20 children)

                                                                                      Having double bubbles AND no reinhardt to protect with only 4 other people will make diving characters like doomfist literally unplayable. I wonder what they will do to fix him.

                                                                                      [–]C_Tarango 45 points46 points  (17 children)

                                                                                      they talked about reworking him a bit, i think

                                                                                      [–]googolplexyJunkrat 25 points26 points  (16 children)

                                                                                      I think doom needs a new ult and his current one can be a debuffed move to get in and out with a long cooldown.

                                                                                      [–]zephyrtrZarya 65 points66 points  (11 children)

                                                                                      I mean, he already has 3 high mobility moves. The typical washing machine is:

                                                                                      punch in => uppercut => FRAG => slam out

                                                                                      OR

                                                                                      slam in => uppercut => FRAG => punch out

                                                                                      A lot of the frustration with Doom is he's kind of all-or-nothing. With all abilities on cooldown, he has no way to stay alive — but if he's functioning well, he can delete a backline support and escape over and over and over again. You see high-level players use his ult only to escape — just so they can get back to the washing machine as quickly as possible.

                                                                                      With one tank, it's pretty impossible to think you can cover all the angles he might drop in at.

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                                                                                        [–]genmischief 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                                                                                        Having double bubbles AND no reinhardt to protect with only 4 other people will make diving characters like doomfist literally unplayable.

                                                                                        Maybe they will at least make his ult NOT PENETRATE OVERHEAD COVER LIKE BRIDGES AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS AND MOUNTAINS AND CRAP.

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                                                                                          [–]KIrkwillrule 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                                          Unless he gets double bubbled, then he will wreck your whole team.

                                                                                          They want cc nerfed from the game it sounds like

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                                                                                              [–]PepticBurrito 22 points23 points  (4 children)

                                                                                              Zarya will get buffed

                                                                                              Honestly, if there's only one tank on the team, then I'd prefer the tank to be about as powerful as a DPS. Losing due to a "tank diff" going to make the game more toxic.

                                                                                              [–]BombkirbySymmetra 38 points39 points  (2 children)

                                                                                              You know how Rein had like 2000 HP shields at one point, but it went down and down in HP via nerfs because players started just using two shield tanks? That's what they mean by "buffed." In other words, no tank will be held back because they "might" have a secondary tank that drives them over the edge power-wise by covering up their weakness.

                                                                                              The downside is that tank players are going to be expected to know how to play nearly every tank really well. You won't have anyone to shore up your weaknesses so you'll have to do it yourself. You're gonna have to make the switch if the team wants to do a super defensive comp while you just want to be a divey tank.

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                                                                                                  [–]SimonCucho 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                  There's no point in anticipating it, we have no idea how the entire systems are completely being reworked, we've only seen a few specific things, and even those could change.

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                                                                                                    [–]iwashunter 87 points88 points  (26 children)

                                                                                                    Wait what happened? I’ve seen this type of stuff a lot what’s going on?

                                                                                                    [–]LeglessN1nja 130 points131 points  (21 children)

                                                                                                    Overwatch 2 is making multiplayer 5v5, removing a tank slot

                                                                                                    [–]snorlz 60 points61 points  (17 children)

                                                                                                    Sorry, havent played OW in years and somehow stumbled across this. Can you no longer freely pick any character? Like you cant run 2 tanks even if you wanted to?

                                                                                                    [–]MaceTheMindSculptor 51 points52 points  (5 children)

                                                                                                    Quick play now forces 2-2-2. Quick play classic is now in the arcade and you can pick 6 DPS if you want.

                                                                                                    [–]LeglessN1nja 22 points23 points  (10 children)

                                                                                                    I haven't watched the live stream, but it sounds like the answer here is no.

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                                                                                                      [–]BigBearSpecialFish 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                      OW2 is gonna be 5v5 with only 1 tank per team

                                                                                                      [–]Nerf_NowIce Man 148 points149 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                      Friendship ended with Reinhardt.

                                                                                                      Now Doomfist is my best friend.

                                                                                                      [–]AbsolutionisTell me how this feels. 85 points86 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                      Always shield the Doomfist.

                                                                                                      They charge in, maybe do some stuff, and you come out with 40 Energy and a dead Doomfist.

                                                                                                      [–]Qwsdxcbjking 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                      Or when you see a reaper wraithing in, bubble that fucken Saint. Whether he has ult or not just bubble, you end up with a tonne of charge and you never know, he might get a kill before he dies.

                                                                                                      [–]ricktron3000Zenyatta 191 points192 points  (25 children)

                                                                                                      I feel like the buffs for current off tanks will need to be huge to compensate. Can't imagine tanking with just a Zarya even with her new double bubble thing. Anything that isn't a barrier tank really, how are they going to make them viable?

                                                                                                      [–]Alazypanda123 32 points33 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                      They're making it to where sheilds aren't super necessary. There's gonna be alot more cover on maps, all the tanks are becoming bursiers, etc

                                                                                                      [–]MissPandaSlothCute D.Va 28 points29 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                      Shields aren't super necessary until you hit rank where everyone is widow/hanzo/ashe and got there by clapping on kids who think exactly that, then back to the shield bot life.

                                                                                                      Essentially ow2 is getting a sniper buff.

                                                                                                      [–]Insertwordthere 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                      And the new maps have a lot of sniper sight lines too

                                                                                                      [–]crybabydeluxe 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                      I'm most interested in how they'll change wreckingball

                                                                                                      [–]TheRubberBildoVivi's Adventure 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                      Especially with how aggressively they have been trying to reduce knockback and CC abilities

                                                                                                      [–]HydrateKulm 35 points36 points  (12 children)

                                                                                                      Seems like nerfing shields is how they’re doing it. Idk though cause didn’t watch the whole thing, only during New York first round

                                                                                                      [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (9 children)

                                                                                                      And that’s the way to go. People got way too used to hiding behind shields and not positioning properly around corners/behind cover. Shields should provide “on demand” protection and not be up the entire fight, in my opinion.

                                                                                                      [–]SwiftTayTay 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                                                                                                      Yeah and pretty much for all 5 years of OW1 your team complains if someone doesn't pick rein because they don't know how to play without him

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                                                                                                          [–]captaingleyr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                          No amount of buffs in the world are going to let me tank with my tank friends. GG

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                                                                                                            [–]ThanosIsDoomfist 95 points96 points  (4 children)

                                                                                                            Dont post in here a lot, but as someone who doesnt really main anyone, but has played at least 200 hours of rein, it truly has been an honor, Zaryas. Ill remember the bubbles you gave me when I lost patience and charged. Cleaning up any of the earthshatter stuns I missed with your awesome ult. Its been an honor.

                                                                                                            Roadhogs, thanks for eating all the damage and hooking people so I dont have to charge in and swing, youve been great. Thanks for using your ult to clean up and push enemies back when we needed to clear the most.

                                                                                                            Hamsters, thanks for taking the pressure off me. Thanks for disrupting their team and sometimes making up for the damage our dps coulnt produce. Thank you for being incredibly annoying, and denying areas with your awesome mines.

                                                                                                            Dvas, thanks for trying. Yes you throw your ult into a wall, yes your rockets didnt hit anyone, but youre still a great team character we should all have on our squad. Thanks for eating the other reins fire strikes, you do that very well.

                                                                                                            Winstons, uh, thanks. I guess.

                                                                                                            [–]ZerythD.Va is bae 28 points29 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                            As a dva main this hurt dude...

                                                                                                            [–]Sonnenbrand 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                            Winston's, hi there!

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                                                                                                              [–]DrToadigerrDive Tank Spacies 29 points30 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                              RIP Hog and Ball torture too

                                                                                                              [–]bathsalts_pylot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                              Who doesn't like some hog and ball torture

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                                                                                                                [–]obxfisherChibi Reinhardt 154 points155 points  (11 children)

                                                                                                                God damn this hit me hard...

                                                                                                                I'm a Rein main and this post hit me in the feels.

                                                                                                                Thank you to all the Zarya's who bubbles me charging in 1v6. Or bubbles me when I did have a big brain shatter so I didn't get CC'ed.

                                                                                                                [–]r35krag0th 69 points70 points  (4 children)

                                                                                                                ^

                                                                                                                Rein main here as well. My off-tanks have always felt like a big brother or sister. Through thick or thin, we are there peel and protect, and I can’t imagine doing it without my favorite off-tanks.

                                                                                                                [–]Olddirtychurro 61 points62 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                That's what people don't get when they say "Yeah but blizzard is gonna balance tanks to make it possible that they can fight alone"

                                                                                                                It's not about balance for me, it's about not having the "Fantasy" of a Frontline buddy to me.

                                                                                                                What perfectly captures that feeling for me is that moment when Rein and brig join shields in the OW2 cinematic and protect the rest from that blast.

                                                                                                                Yeah sure brig isn't a tank but it's the essence that counts. Every other role gets to share their burdens, experiences and combination play but the tank will stand alone.

                                                                                                                [–]project2501aSmiling Spawn of Satan 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                Maybe I am cynical....

                                                                                                                but this could be the reason they were not putting out more tanks?

                                                                                                                that they knew this was coming?

                                                                                                                or even worse, that the new 5v5 is a way not to have to publish more tanks.

                                                                                                                [–]ClemencyArtsHammer swinging and melody singing[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                Thank you for saying that; that is exactly the feeling that inspired this artwork. :)

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                                                                                                                  [–]SpktraSigma/Reaper/Moira 63 points64 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                                  Okay, this is wholesome but it has to be said. I csnt ignore something as big as this and I think we all notice it with Zarya...

                                                                                                                  Bruh take a look at Zarya's absolute massively thick back cables, what're those for?

                                                                                                                  [–]MrRoccoPB 54 points55 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                  Probably either your massive energy cannon or the human sized energy bubble you can use around yourself

                                                                                                                  [–]BreweryBuddha 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                  You mean on the back of the woman who's abilities are all energy based?

                                                                                                                  [–]Classic-Gap7728 179 points180 points  (33 children)

                                                                                                                  i don't like 5vs5 i want 6v6

                                                                                                                  [–]CaptainEdmonton 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                  Ever since they had 24 heroes I wanted 12v12. Where’s the big game battle blizzard??

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                                                                                                                    [–]malpaislegate_ 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                    Love playing as Zarya with good Reins, it's been a pleasure to meet you all, Rein players

                                                                                                                    [–]LordOfCupcakesZeldZarya 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                    Zarya main here: “Reinhardt. You said you would arm wrestle me. Nervous?”

                                                                                                                    1400 hour Zarya main

                                                                                                                    [–]The_Airwolf_ThemeIcon Roadhog 21 points22 points  (6 children)

                                                                                                                    As a Roadhog main I'm anxiously awaiting wtf this is going to end up like

                                                                                                                    [–]SoDamnGeneric 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                                    They're never gonna armwrestle now :(

                                                                                                                    [–]omega_sentinel 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                    Why did this make me emotional :(

                                                                                                                    [–]jelang19Sigma 52 points53 points  (14 children)

                                                                                                                    As much as I love rein zarya (i play rein most and zarya 3rd most), I also dislike it sometimes. In lower plat and down, it's what a team uses at least 50% of the time. I'm excited to see something different. Most people think they're killing the off tank role, but in reality they're killing the main tank role by making rein and Orisa off tanks. They already kinda showed how they're doing it with rein, really curious about Orisa

                                                                                                                    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

                                                                                                                    I’m also super curious about Orisa. I think they should exploit the fact that she has four legs to increase her movement speed (maybe as an ability similar to charge) and give her some extra mobility.

                                                                                                                    [–]jack_thegoat 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                    Maybe increase her move speed while walking forward? I feel like that could be a fun dynamic.

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                                                                                                                        [–]Dio_diandoMercy 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                        Goodbye to all of my faithful off tanks.

                                                                                                                        [–]Cenachii 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                        Zarya got the thicc doe 😳

                                                                                                                        [–]Fuhk_YooTrick-or-Treat Lúcio 44 points45 points  (6 children)

                                                                                                                        Making OW 5v5 is gonna turn it into a FPS HotS.

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