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[–]Urkakio 2749 points2750 points  (308 children)

I watched a story of Teddy Roosevelt and I just thought: "What in the fuck is Teddy. How tf is he such a legend"

[–]Danny_Tamberelli 1461 points1462 points  (102 children)

Teddy Roosevelt National Park is beautiful. It's in a pretty trash area. But the park feels like another world. 10/10 would pretend it's middle earth again.

[–]BierKippeMett 579 points580 points  (59 children)

I love hiking through our local national park while listening to skyrim ambience music.

[–]OutToDrift 381 points382 points  (32 children)

The only downside to that is that it attracts bandits.

[–]gumpythegreat 297 points298 points  (11 children)

Hiking through the woods listening to peaceful Skyrim music.

Suddenly, your phone skips tracks to the battle music.

"Wait, I didn't even add this to the playlist..."

Breaking news: Local Hiker Mauled by Bear

[–]R_V_Z 105 points106 points  (2 children)

Or you take a nap and then wake up to the words "Hey, you're finally awake".

[–]SheriffBartholomew 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Local boy attacked by dragon.

[–]SaraJStew73 85 points86 points  (7 children)

Just keep hold of your sweet roll! Don’t want it getting stolen.

[–]Striking-Phrase-4163 33 points34 points  (2 children)

If it does, you can just Wabbajack up another one

[–]defaultgameer1 25 points26 points  (1 child)

At that point if you wabbajack a bandit in sweetrolls.....is it canabilism?

[–]CuntyAnne_Conway 18 points19 points  (0 children)

No. It's Gourmet Cuisine.

[–]LouSputhole94 19 points20 points  (1 child)

“Let me guess, somebody stole your sweet roll?”- A national park ranger

[–]DeathByHorison 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I used to be a memer like you, then I took an arrow to the knee

[–]rest_less 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Never should have come here...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I've got three words to say to those bandits

[–]Kajimishima2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"You're finally awake"

[–]rexmons 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Does it also attract lusty Argonian maids? Asking for a friend...

[–]a_panda_named_ewok 41 points42 points  (13 children)

Not sure where you are and the potential dangers from local fauna, but be careful hiking while listening to music - you want to be able to hear animals around d you and headphones can impede that 🙂

[–]stinky_jenkins 55 points56 points  (2 children)

I just listen to animals in my headphones.

[–]i_like_it_raw_ 23 points24 points  (0 children)

galaxy brain

[–]a_panda_named_ewok 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Big brain energy right there! 🙂

[–]BierKippeMett 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's about 50% skyrim music and 50% listening to nature.

[–]AndrewFGleich 24 points25 points  (22 children)

Explain what you mean by trash area? It's been several years since I went but I used to go all the time. I would describe the area as anything but trash

[–]Danny_Tamberelli 44 points45 points  (21 children)

I was told to fuck myself in Dickinson.

By multiple clients. I guess we weren’t delivering on time. Wasn’t my fault but caught the blame.

Only place in the country I was cursed at.

Southern Colorado had some of the rudest people I’d ever met but they had the decency to just tell me to leave.

[–]AndrewFGleich 22 points23 points  (7 children)

That sucks dude. Growing up N. Dakota was always known for being really nice. I guess money and oil will change communities.

[–]Brokenbluebelt 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Lifelong ND resident, I avoid the western part of the state like the plague, furthest west that I have been in a decade is Minot. Anything west of that is wild country and stupid people.

[–]AndrewFGleich 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That's basically what I heard last time I was there too. It's too bad because the badlands and Medora are wonderful.

[–]Brokenbluebelt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oil boom brought in and bolstered the already terrible people out there.

[–]Danny_Tamberelli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably exactly what happened man. I didn't work for an oil company, but I did sell to them. They thought they were gods. And I wasn't able to just yell, you guys buy less than the truck dealer down the road. Since they were a corporate client, and I had to kiss their butts.

Actually Minot was a very nice town and I was there about 3 days. I did paint with quite a broad brush.

[–]Scootikus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's unfortunate you had a run in with a terrible human being. In ND we generally don't consider Dickinson part of the National Park area. However, Medora would be considered a part of the area and is a nice little tourist town that is very welcoming to outsiders if you ever have the chance to revisit the area.

[–]Danny_Tamberelli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I pooped there! In a family pharmacy. I am sorry to that family. I should have stayed in that town in retrospect. The Holiday inn I was staying in, in Dickinson, was under construction, so I got a free night, but who cares when the company is paying?

[–]James3000gt 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Conservation increasingly became one of Roosevelt's main concerns. After becoming president in 1901, Roosevelt used his authority to protect wildlife and public lands by creating the United States Forest Service (USFS) and establishing 150 national forests, 51 federal bird reserves, 4 national game preserves, 5 national parks, and 18 national monuments by enabling the 1906 American Antiquities Act. During his presidency,Theodore Roosevelt protected approximately 230 million acres of public land.

Today, the legacy of Theodore Roosevelt is found across the country. There are six national park sites dedicated, in part or whole, to our conservationist president. You can find more information about these places under

https://www.nps.gov/thro/learn/historyculture/theodore-roosevelt-and-conservation.htm

[–]thevikingoflamancha 11 points12 points  (0 children)

We went in the off-season (February) and had an amazing weekend.

[–]science_is_life 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Wow didn't know anyone else knew about North Dakota

[–]Danny_Tamberelli 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I bought the most generic shirt I could while there. It says North Dakota and it is green. One of my favorite shirts hands down.

[–]Urkakio 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Will need to go there at some point but it would be a long while

[–]Mr_YUP 259 points260 points  (72 children)

The dude almost died as a child and then lived the rest of his life conquering any sort of challenge that came his way. They didn't even want him to be president but he willed himself into office.

[–]Question_Control24 69 points70 points  (69 children)

He was manic depressive or manic bipolar. He saw agency and endless action as the best means to overcome bouts of depression.

[–]galileosmiddlefinger 247 points248 points  (57 children)

None of TR's major biographers, like Morris or Brandt, have ever made that claim. It seems to come from a claim made by the psychologist Kay Jamison in a study of the trait of exuberance, but it's not really substantiated in the historical record. TR certainly had depressive periods, but they were linked to reasonable causes, like the death of his mother and first wife, rather than unpredictable, episodic fluctuations.

Edit to elaborate further: It's unfair and dangerous to categorize someone like TR as bipolar because it reinforces two harmful, untrue beliefs.

The first is that people with bipolar disorder can willfully steer out of their depressive episodes with agentic choice. This is akin to telling someone with clinical depression to just get off the couch and go outside; depression, by definition, interrupts the ability to initiate behavior, so you can't just make a conscious choice to go charge up San Juan Hill when you're feeling blue. People with subclinical negative affect can do this as a means of emotion regulation, but people in clinical depressive episodes can't.

The second is that manic episodes can be harnessed and directed in a controlled way toward desired ends. Again, manic episodes are characterized by grandiose and distorted thinking, and they aren't going to result in the kinds of focused work products and achievements that TR made. People in manic episodes don't write dozens of meticulously-researched and carefully-argued books, or achieve focused legislative outcomes.

[–]Lurklurkzugzug 40 points41 points  (22 children)

I think the second point is really important. When manic, you don't just think you can harness it, you know you can. Combine that with not needing to sleep, and you become the world's most productive person, and you're on the verge of changing the world forever. I have stacks of notebooks and tons of Word docs full of various ways I was going to fix everything for everyone. Or start the perfect business. Or write the perfect novel. Or make the perfect movie. Or... you get the idea.

One of the hard parts (at least for me) of dealing with bipolar was having to acknowledge that manic episodes weren't a good thing and it wasn't a state I should desire to be in. If you told me that someone else figured out a way to actually accomplish what I thought I was accomplishing, it would undo years of progress with my doctor.

[–]galileosmiddlefinger 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That's a very common experience. I teach psychology and have an advisee with bipolar disorder who is so close to finally graduating, but he keeps trying to lean into manic episodes to power through his capstone project. I'm sure if feels good and productive when he's writing, but what he sends me is just pages and pages of punctuation-free stream of consciousness. He's a good person and I like him a lot, but he really needs to get where you are and recognize that his manic states aren't an asset to be encouraged.

[–]FilipinoGuido 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the info!

[–]Scarlaymama0721 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for the edit to elaborate further. I completely agree with everything you said. I also get so sick of people calling themselves bipolar whenever they get depressed. I deal with major bouts of depression but I am not bipolar and I feel really bad for the people that are struggling with the disease and have to listen to other people belittle their experience by claiming to have the same thing any time they get down about something.

[–]SignificanceClean961 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Can't people in hypomanic states do that though?

[–]inplutero 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Also The ‘Teddy Bear’ (when on a hunting trip refused to shoot a black bear saying it was “unsportsmanlike”.)

[–]TheDewyDecimal 19 points20 points  (1 child)

That's inspiring as fuck...

[–]QuitBSing 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Beat depression by being a legend

[–]VividPomegranate7509 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Unwanted psych lecture (I am not a doctor): Manic depressive is an old term, it’s now called bipolar disorder, and there is type 1 or type 2. Type 2 has more depressive or mostly depressive episodes, so that’s similar to what the old term manic depressive described. Type 1 has manic episodes, type 2 has hypomanic episodes so perhaps manic bipolar could be similar to type 1, but I’ve never heard the term manic bipolar before. Either way, they’re both incorrect and old, tho if someone said that about him when he was alive they probably used the old terms. It does seem like TR suffered from something like depression, possibly bipolar.

I may be opening myself up to some groans or further corrections from smarter people than me, and I don’t mind. I just don’t like incorrect terms.

[–]Taco4Wednesdays 91 points92 points  (10 children)

It's so weird that he did so many things like this for so many people, but then just vehemently hated Asians.

People are weird.

[–]25_Watt_Bulb 88 points89 points  (5 children)

From reading his biographies it seems like he was substantially more racist when he was younger and became less so as he aged. He completely believed black people were inferior early on, but his actions later in life speak against that. He's just an interesting example of a person changing over time I guess.

[–]Justice_R_Dissenting 50 points51 points  (0 children)

It's difficult to really gauge because much of TR's racism came not from his personal beliefs, but because of an image he needed to portray to win his elections. A great example is the Buffalo Soldiers. After the Battle of San Juan Hill, he told the black soldiers who did most of the actual fighting (the Rough Riders claimed most of the glory) that they were the finest fighting men he'd ever known. He then went home and took 100% of the credit for the victory and didn't mention the Buffalo soldiers at all.

[–]MagicPhoenix 8 points9 points  (1 child)

funny thing is, it's entirely possible to believe someone is inferior, but also to still believe that they are worth something. It's probably not likely, but it's possible, I'd say.

[–]Taco4Wednesdays 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think he also believed they were inferior, and therefor needed his help. That weird white man's burden thing.

[–]Arny_Palmys 17 points18 points  (0 children)

And Native Americans:

"I suppose I should be ashamed to say that I take the western view of the Indian. I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indian is the dead Indian, but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth.”

This was 15 years before he took office, not sure how his views changed from there or if they did at all.

[–]sarais 30 points31 points  (23 children)

There really should be a movie about him.

[–]xdrewP 80 points81 points  (16 children)

There's really only one casting choice, too.

Nick Offerman or we riot.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (8 children)

Nick's already a modern Roosevelt. Guy is an actor who plays a master carpenter and saxaphone legend, except turns out, in real life he is those things and the performance is real.

He once paid a man with a hand-made canoe.

[–]Vness374 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I want Nick and Megan to adopt me. Can you imagine living in their house?!? I feel like it would be so much fun

[–]RaiththeRogue 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Late to this party, but check out the movie Rough Riders. Tom Berringer plays an amazing TR. The movie itself is fun but really white washes the history of the time in a favorable image for America.

[–]Urkakio 7 points8 points  (2 children)

There should be

[–]mpa92643 49 points50 points  (1 child)

How about... Night at the Museum 4.

[–]lerroyjenkinss 6 points7 points  (2 children)

He was a legend. I loved the Roosevelt’s an intimate history on Netflix

[–]Bionic_Ferir 24 points25 points  (2 children)

his son/grandson is also A GIGA CHAD like his father

[–]Krasker 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Teddy Jr. was one of the oldest and highest-ranking military officers to land on D-Day.

[–]CLU_Three 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The deployment of giga-Chads like TRII on DDay was crucial in crushing Nazis

[–]CorruptiveInfluence 50 points51 points  (72 children)

He also was a warhound and pushed the US aggressively into conflict both in and out of office. He was an imperialist through and through and only wanted to dominate and conquer anyone weaker than him, whether that was people or countries.

Also, he was a huge fucking racist (and not only against black people, but against basically anyone who wasn't a pure WASP, including the Irish, Italian, and German Americans), and before anyone gives me the tired "But everyone was" schtick, no they were not. It is his fault for being willfully ignorant to both common morality and what was available knowledge even then, not history's fault that he chose to be a negative actor in it.

He was a badass yeah but so are a lot of dickheads sadly.

Edit: All responses are becoming identical and I already responded to them the first time, so I've turned off inbox replies. If I haven't responded to your bullshit, I probably responded to someone else who said the same thing, so go looking for that.

[–]panic_kernel_panic 30 points31 points  (4 children)

People are nuanced... it’s a thing.

Roosevelt certainly had bigoted views, but even that was often contradictory throughout his life, writings and works.

Aside from the incident cited in this post, he famously invited Booker T. Washington to the White House for a meal, something that seems trivial but was a bit of a shock/scandal at the time.

He often spoke out against so called hyphenated-Americans and opposed immigrant culture, advocating for new immigrants integration into “American culture”. But he worked at length to fight New York’s corrupt Tammany Hall politicians and reform the NYPD who often underserved and even downright exploited and abused Irish and Italian immigrant communities. His famous “hyphenated-Americans” speech, while on one hand calling for immigrants to be compelled to learn English and discard their ethnic identities also called for them to be given all the rights and privileges expected. “Any discrimination against aliens is a wrong, for it tends to put the immigrant at a disadvantage and to cause him to feel bitterness and resentment during the very years when he should be preparing himself for American citizenship. If an immigrant is not fit to become a citizen, he should not be allowed to come here. If he is fit, he should be given all the rights to earn his own livelihood, and to better himself, that any man can have.”

His views on foreign policy and war is similarly interesting. On one hand, he spent most of his life fully convinced of Kiplings “White Man’s Burden” and advocating for greater involvement in foreign conflict and colonial-esq ambitions. Yet he also opposed what he considered cowardice on the part of politicians in sending others to fight and die for those ambitions. His service in Cuba with the Rough Riders is most well known but his sons also served (and died) in armed service. His writings around the time of the death of his son Quentin in France in WWI indicate a man grieving for his son but reasoning that he has no right to suffer any less or be any more privileged than the countless other fathers who will have to bury their sons. His son would be the only child of a US president to die in combat.

Even his views on Native Americans, by far his most controversial, spoke of a man willing to learn from his experiences. After his time in Dakota, he spoke of the problem of Alcoholism in Native American life, it’s perpetuation by ranchers and land owners (paying partially in liquor) and how it has “robbed them of the capacity to better themselves”.

That’s the thing about Roosevelt, it’s hard to box him into an ideal, especially if you’re heavily invested in modern identity politics. The guy went with what he believed in, regardless of party stance and popular belief.

PS: “common morality” when talking about a figure in history is both sad and funny, there’s no such thing.

[–]discreetgrin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What do you think are you doing, expecting nuance! This is Reddit!

[–]peace_love17 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Teddy never saw a war he didn't like.

After his son died in WW1 I wonder if he softened those views.

[–]The_Ostrich_you_want 19 points20 points  (0 children)

As far as I know I believe it did. It humbled him at the very least.

[–]CorruptiveInfluence 14 points15 points  (0 children)

One of the old "It's fine until it happens to me" situations, sadly, but with Teddy... who knows lol. That dude fucking loved war.

[–]arriesgado 24 points25 points  (5 children)

Doesn’t the post this thread is attached to suggest he was not racist exactly? He stood up for the black postmaster. He took judo lessons from Kano (I believe). I say not racist exactly because I wonder if he was, uh, strengthist. He might have looked down on victims of racism as not being strong enough and therefore putting up with it. I base this in 5 minutes of reading about him in a Reddit thread. In the case of the postmaster, the town was defying him so challenging his strength and therefore slapped down.

[–]CorruptiveInfluence 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hi! Yes, it does, and I went into why this requires more nuance in another comment basically replying to the same thing, so I'll just link it here.

[–]EmmaGoldmansDancer 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I say not racist exactly because I wonder if he was, uh, strengthist

Huh, so he was a white nationalist then.

No wait, hear me out!

Something people misunderstand about nationalists and fascists is they justify their racism with the belief that life is a contest and the strongest wins. They see other races as the teams competing. This is why they hate anti racist whites even more than POCs, because even as other racists are are the losing team, anti racists are cheaters helping the losing team. Strength is paramount above all else, and their racism from their POV is nothing personal.

So by that logic, Teddy would have respect for strong black soldiers, in the same way a winning football team would have respect for the losing team's star player.

[–]SandyBayou 439 points440 points  (29 children)

I'm from this town in the Mississippi Delta - Indianola. Also home to B.B. King. The mail was re-routed to Greenville, 30 miles away. Back then, pre-automobile, going that far for just your mail would be an incredible pain in the ass.

[–]converter-bot 262 points263 points  (21 children)

30 miles is 48.28 km

[–]JBiff09 78 points79 points  (0 children)

Good bot

[–]Cambridge_ 54 points55 points  (18 children)

Thanks, European bot.

[–]QzJINU9I 98 points99 points  (12 children)

You mean Everywhere-but-US-Liberia-and-Myanmar bot.

[–]LaGrrrande 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Back in the days when most people had never been more than 20 miles from the place they were born in the first place.

[–]TheAbsoluteLastWord 139 points140 points  (5 children)

Don’t F with Teddy. He carries a big stick.

[–]I-Cant-See-Anything 23 points24 points  (0 children)

He’s also a very calm reader

[–]iicatmen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

While minnie cox... Well, doesnt

[–]smooblebooble 3 points4 points  (2 children)

And supports Minnie Cox

[–]cathnic00 1606 points1607 points  (149 children)

Respect

[–]zuzg 1093 points1094 points  (47 children)

Especially minding when this happened. The world used to be a lot bigger before the internet. The fact that he even heard about it is cool.

[–]Bakeey 676 points677 points  (42 children)

It's especially impressive that he not only heard about it, but decided that it was worth the hassle to arrange the re-routing of the mail in some random town in Mississippi

[–]Whatevernameisnt 279 points280 points  (37 children)

Dont believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln

[–]TheDIbsAndI 344 points345 points  (34 children)

[–]WoodenMango07 110 points111 points  (19 children)

This story is fact checked to be mostly true - King Louis XVI

[–]PerfectionOfaMistake 56 points57 points  (13 children)

I did nothing wrong - Thanos

[–]gbuub 17 points18 points  (12 children)

I did nothing wrong before it was cool -Adolf Hitler

[–]jessie014 20 points21 points  (11 children)

No this is Patrick! - Patrick Starfish

[–]11010110101010101010 5 points6 points  (3 children)

"I didn't read why it was mostly true, just saw that it was mostly true" - Napoleon III

[–]wagedomainInterested 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I know you're probably joking, but I read through it to find out why it was "mostly true". The only part deemed false is something not in the picture. The original posting in snopes asserted that after a year she was restored to her original post. She never did get her job back though.

Also in the snopes article is the fact Roosevelt also ordered the Attorney General to prosecute those responsible, though they say it's not clear if anyone was actually charged or not.

They cite some good sources for this too, including a Postal Museum and some local papers at the time.

[–]tomatoaway 39 points40 points  (8 children)

I love that the page hung during loading just to load some shitty google font api, instead of the page themselves serving the font

Anyways, the interesting part:

Minnie Cox was originally appointed postmaster for Indianola, Mississippi, in 1891 by President Benjamin Harrison. While Roosevelt eventually came to her defense, the National Postal Museum’s account of her tenure suggests that it was one of Roosevelt’s own policy positions that spurred the unrest against her:

Initially very few complaints were raised about this postmaster. As time passed, however, concerns arose in Indianola. During this time, Republican politics were being restructured by President Theodore Roosevelt. This new political stance no longer followed the Reconstruction policy of making African Americans political appointments. Hoping to comply with this new political agenda, the white citizens of Indianola called for the elimination of African Americans from leadership positions, specifically the removal of Mrs. Cox. In doing so, they hoped to create an opening for a white postmaster.

So this was Roosevelt rectifying a mess he created to gain votes. I wonder if this is how modern (non-extremist) Republicans sometimes feel. "Shit, I wanted to fuck them slightly, not completely."

[–]smytti12 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I could be reading this wrong, but is this saying he just removed a written policy that required some political appointees to be african american? So the "mess" he made was due to him thinking 40 years after the civil war people couldn't possibly still be that racist where such a thing had to be a law?

[–]bulletbassman 33 points34 points  (0 children)

No. Roosevelt repealed that to gain votes in the south. There is a long history of presidents pandering to political pressure to secure the votes of racists and teddy was no exception. At least he made a point to help someone hurt by decision and try to dissuade others from doing more harm under his administration.

[–]NiceFella 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You'd have to set aside the fact that Roosevelt himself was a bit of a racist and a eugenicist to believe he'd be that naive about racism and optimistic about human nature.

"I would not say that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I would say that is the case of nine of ten Indians and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."

“I do not believe that the average Negro in the United States is as yet in any way fit to take care of himself and others as the average white man, for if he were there would be no Negro problem.”

"I know what a good side there was to slavery, but I know also what a hideous side there was to it, and this was the important side.”

Yeah, a man of his time and still progressive at that; but that only also means we shouldn't assume the loftiest possible motives to him or ascribe sainthood.

He was just a man imperfect as any other.

[–]blabla_76 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lincoln was dead before the internet. Everyone knows this quote is from Albert Einstein.

[–]joevenet 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It's especially impressive to me that he didn't do that for his poll numbers

[–]TheCluelessDeveloper 6 points7 points  (1 child)

If only Teddy won against Wilson. What a different world.

[–]sw04ca 20 points21 points  (2 children)

The mail was a gigantic part of what presidents concerned themselves with back then. As you point out, there were no telecommunications, so the post office was one of the most important institutions in the country. To illustrate how important it was, consider that including the Vice-President, there were ten officials in Roosevelt's Cabinet, two of which (the Secretary of War and the Secretary of the Navy) would be today combined into one (the Secretary of Defence). He had created a new cabinet position in the Secretary of Commerce and Labour, whose job it was to carry out Roosevelt's trust-busting policies. However, one of those Cabinet positions, one of the key officials who had a direct line to the President was the Postmaster General. Although Roosevelt had a lot to do, and was considered to have expanded the role of the President, the Post Office was right at the centre of his concerns and unlike today, the President isn't considered responsible for absolutely everything that happens anywhere in the country.

[–]Appropriate_Mine 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Walk

[–]HI-R3Z 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you talking to me?!

[–]Miraster[S] 76 points77 points  (90 children)

Teddy was a sweetheart

[–]JexyBoi 59 points60 points  (9 children)

Teddy fun facts that I've kept stored in my head for years:

When he was a young boy who was pretty ill, he used to find dead animals, disect them, and write notes that many have compared to the quality of actual doctors notes of the time.

After the start of the Spanish American war, he quit his job as assistant secretary of the navy, formed the rough riders, commandeered a public train and forced it to drive to Florida with all of the passangers on board so he wouldn't miss his ship out to war.

As police commissioner of the NYPD, he dressed in all black with a cape and walked the streets at night to catch officers not doing their job/committing crimes. He cleaned up the force so well he was thurougly hated by everyone there and the officers were terrified to see him come out of the darkness in his suit at night.

As president, he once invited the French ambassador to a "walk" only for the man to show up and find Teddy dressed in full hiking gear. They ended up going on a grueling hike and afterwords Teddy seemed sad that the ambassador didn't want to do more fun things with him. They ended up becoming very close friends.

These are just a few of the fun facts of Teddy that roll round in my head.

[–]hiway-schwabbery 31 points32 points  (6 children)

TR was Batman?

[–]A_Confused_Cocoon 17 points18 points  (1 child)

That’s how my history professor in College described him, Batman before Batman. It’s funny in hindsight, but a lot of people really did hate TR which is why he was regulated into a VP role (so he didn’t have real actual power). And imagine your boss coming into your shift at 2am seeing how you were doing your job and busting your ass, but tbf a lot of bad cops back then who deserved it. Backfired on politicians overall thanks to Leon Czolgosz, but TR is my absolute favorite President even if he wasn’t perfect.

[–]finbuilder 9 points10 points  (0 children)

First thing I thought.

[–]LegacyLemur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As police commissioner of the NYPD, he dressed in all black with a cape and walked the streets at night to catch officers not doing their job/committing crimes.

The fuck? Was he the original Batman?

[–]MrRoboto159 26 points27 points  (18 children)

Besides the whole Latin/South American part.

[–]rememberpa 872 points873 points  (10 children)

My mate will be pleased to hear that Minnie Cox can still make a big difference too.

[–]Buck_Thorn 212 points213 points  (2 children)

Let it be known that Minnie Cox can still get the job done.

[–]ninja__throwaway 59 points60 points  (0 children)

TIL that our country's leader had deep admiration and appreciation for Minnie Cox.

[–]im_not_dog 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Of course. She’s the Post-master

[–]echoesofpain 13 points14 points  (2 children)

...is she going to reroute her sex 30 miles away?

[–]converter-bot 36 points37 points  (1 child)

30 miles is 48.28 km

[–]GarrZillarr 26 points27 points  (0 children)

The only presidential fuckery of mail I agree with.

[–]Rexli178 76 points77 points  (6 children)

Teddy was a very... complicated man.

He was a staunch Imperialists and supporter of manifest destiny. But at the same time he was staunch opponent to lynching and supported black civil rights and a staunch supporter of economic regulation on behalf of workers and consumers.

[–]PleasantSalad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah.. We only learn about the badass moose riding, Amazon trekking, national park founding Teddy Bear Roosevelt. The shit he did in Panama was pretty reprehensible. He destabilized that region for a long time after and he was pretty racist about South Americans.

[–]ErnestoCro35 376 points377 points  (210 children)

That's how you fight racism.

[–]airduster_9000 455 points456 points  (192 children)

Well he was a complex man they say, but he was a racist himself believing white men of European descent were innately superior

[–]Yeuph 161 points162 points  (14 children)

Also Japanese are "honorary Aryans"; sorta setting up some alliances that would happen a few decades later

[–]Eldershoom 34 points35 points  (11 children)

His cousin really nipped that one in the butt with old 9066

[–]WetNoodlyArms 67 points68 points  (7 children)

Don't mean to be the pedantry police, but the saying is actually "nipped in the bud". Referring to snipping buds off plants before they get a chance to fully mature.

[–]-skeemin- 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Or snipping off butts before they get a chance I fully mature

[–]WetNoodlyArms 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You make a good point. May I direct you to this book from my childhood https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bugalugs_Bum_Thief

Thankfully the butts were located and allowed to mature

[–]medusas_side_bro 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Yeah I'm going through this thread trying to figure out if anyone remembered the fact that he drove native Americans out of their settlements, and stated stuff like, "the only good Indian is a dead one."

[–]Malice_XVII 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly, but racism against natives is rarely taken into consideration.

[–]airduster_9000 16 points17 points  (0 children)

In an 1886 speech in New York, he declared:
"I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indian is the dead Indian, but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian. Take three hundred low families of New York and New Jersey, support them, for fifty years, in vicious idleness, and you will have some idea of what the Indians are. Reckless, revengeful, fiendishly cruel."

Source

[–]MarcusSidoniusFalx 274 points275 points  (103 children)

To be fair, that sentiment was relatively widespead in science back then as well. And it is not inherently, a priori illogical to believe that "races" are different from each other. Animal races, which are real races in the biological sense of a subspieces, are different from each other, very much so when you look at some barking rats for example.

Why would you a priori believe that humans, who might be part of a subspieces just like we know it in animals, are not different from each other? Today we know that humans are not really split into subspiecies, at least from what we know so far, so there are no human races. But back then there was far less scientific knowledge.

The whole argument is far more complex of course with not only biological reasoning but also a lot of historical, cultural and ideological information factoring into it.

Edit: Also people with racist views in the sense that they genuinely believe to have good reason to think that one "race" is "superior" to another race in near-objective standards (such as black people from some tribes being the best marathon runmers) can still think that those other people need to be treated equally. Which is what Roosevelt did. Or at least he believed that she should not loose her job because of such a thing.

Edit 2: A priori believing that races exist is of course not logical either.

[–]JohnnyFallDown 267 points268 points  (43 children)

In other words. Historical context should inform the reader about history, not today’s standards and one dimensional analysis.

Hmmm.....

[–]Optimal_Pineapple_41 46 points47 points  (9 children)

Tell that to my Facebook posts from 2007.

[–]evenafterforever 16 points17 points  (8 children)

Myspace 07

[–]CocaChola 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Ugh you don’t even want to see my Friendster.

[–]evenafterforever 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Lol that was the only one I told everyone to fuck off about But I made up for it with Xanga 🤷🎄

[–]MuscleManRyan 55 points56 points  (14 children)

No we need to cancel ol' Teddy ASAP. I bet he has some super incriminating tweets too

[–]JohnnyFallDown 38 points39 points  (10 children)

Ultimately every leader is flawed. Even the good ones. This axiom will always hold true. Expecting moral perfection to hold true throughout history is an impossibility simply due to the fickle nature of human civilization and evolving mores and norms.

[–]my-other-throwaway90 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's almost like considering someone all-good or all-bad is a cognitive fallacy called "Splitting" well documented in psychiatry. Even the "bad people" of history had good qualities, and vice versa.

Try watching The Act of Killing. At first you feel like you're sitting down with a friendly old man...

[–]morningsaystoidleon 8 points9 points  (9 children)

There were also plenty of non-racists in the era. Context goes both ways. Roosevelt's actions set up decades of American intervention in South and Central America that were among the worst things our government ever did.

I'm not saying he's pure evil, he did some very good things, but he was actively racist in a way that hurt millions of people for generations.

[–]Juncoril 26 points27 points  (5 children)

That idea does not stand up to simple logic, even back then. You just need to actually frequent black people, and any marginalized "race" used in racist theories, to see that they are, well, people. At least from a naive point of view, since if you already believe a race to be inferior your brain will obviously tries its hardest to uphold that view and be very selective. Logic also dictates that any difference might be due to other factors than race and even in the most racist societies a critical thinking ought to make someone question if any lack of knowledge, for example, is due to innate characteristics and not to lack of education (which itself is motivated by racism).

Racism, even back then, was shit. And it's pretty obvious since there was antiracism back then. There was no logic behind being racist except for your own privilege, even back with less information than we have today.

Rather than look at it like if it was a fair view for it's circumstances, it should be put forward that the reason for so many people to hold those views was how mainstream they were. Of course Roosevelt, living in a society hammering racism down his head, would have difficulty not holding some racist ideas.

Now, as an aside, I think it's also important to highlight how even when holding those racist views, actual discrimination held more cruelty than anything else. Like we can see here, Roosevelt might have thought this particular black woman to be "inferior" but did not think it was a valid reason to withhold her a job.

[–]ScreamingDizzBuster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yo a priori'd when you should have prima facie'd.

[–]BossRedRanger 30 points31 points  (9 children)

To be fair, science of the time, would know that a donkey and a horse would be different "races" because their hybrid spawn would be unable to breed itself. But a Black person and a White person could have children just fine and those children could have children with anyone else just fine.

I think the effort to historically frame racism kinda goes too far sometimes into condoning racism. They knew it was all bullshit, but they benefited from the racial hierarchy.

[–]windsostrange 23 points24 points  (1 child)

The thread just above you took two replies to descend into riffing on "cancel culture." I commend your efforts here, but... some of the folks here are benefiting, too, let's just say.

[–]BossRedRanger 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Your acknowledgement of my efforts does help though.

Thank you.

[–]themoopmanhimself 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Can you explain a priori?

[–]RasheksOopsie 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It means a conclusion that can be derived from reason alone without requiring evidence or experience.

[–]One_Enthusiasm_1144 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This is based off an outdated and inaccurate theory that white people were more evolved than POC, it has been debunked now but it was widely believed by many and in recent years people have been trying to bring it back with no avail for obvious reasons.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2672903/

[–]Marlsfarp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not enough to be European. Regarding the largest lynching in American history, in which a mob in New Orleans murdered 11 Italian immigrants, he wrote to his sister,

Monday we dined at the Camerons; various dago diplomats were present, all much wrought up by the lynching of the Italians in New Orleans. Personally I think it rather a good thing, and said so.

The victims had just been acquitted of the murder of the police chief, who was supposedly killed by an Italian. The mayor in response ordered the police to "arrest every Italian you come across."

[–]my-other-throwaway90 16 points17 points  (5 children)

That was a common view held by almost every white person at the time. The fact that he did this, while holding those beliefs, is still a testament to his character.

We actually have very little agency in what core beliefs we hold. Do you believe the Incan Emperor is the manifestation of the Sun God? You would if you were born in medieval Peru, even though you never actually decided where or when you were born.

[–]boredtodeath1000 24 points25 points  (45 children)

Incredibly common belief and not racist for its time. Around this era, recognizing black people as even human was fairly progressive, because there was a chunk of time that scientists used evolutionary theory (in its infancy) and were interpreting it as black people weren’t human, but were highly evolved apes.

[–]HollowCelestial 24 points25 points  (37 children)

It's incredibly racist by it's time because it checks all the boxes of what constitutes racism. Just because there were bigger racist doesn't mean it's not racism. There were plenty of individuals in movements like abolitionism that shows what a non-racist looks like.

Edit: Fixed up the comment better relay my thoughts.

[–]RussiaIsBestGreen 10 points11 points  (12 children)

There was tons of racism in the abolitionist movement as well.

[–]TheChickening 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Pretty sure the people in town still felt right in their way and suffered righteously for standing up to their beliefs.

[–]dsiurek2019 12 points13 points  (24 children)

Is based a good or bad thing? I keep seeing it on posts calling people out and now this, can the slang gang get on the same page before releasing a new word to the masses? Lmfao

[–]deuteronpsi 10 points11 points  (0 children)

From Urban Dictionary:

A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.

The opposite of cringe, some times the opposite of biased.

[–]selfstartr 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Glad I’m not alone! I thought “based” was a bad thing.

Maybe OP was being clever but it confused me and now I feel my age.

[–]HairyColonicJr 91 points92 points  (10 children)

that's how ruff ryders roll

[–]godfather33087 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Stop, Drop

[–]ecc_dg 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Shut ‘em down

[–]cardspear 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Open up shop

[–]LouSputhole94 5 points6 points  (3 children)

30 miles outside of town

[–]gertjan_omdathetkan 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Teddy Roosevelt, a man who goes down in history as one of the best presidents to ever exist.

That man was based.

[–]FreeAppsAreExpensive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I bet those guys who fired her all have Minnie Cox

[–]mrbeanyeet 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Is no one thinking about her name being Minnie Cox

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[–]Naivor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why do I remember this being only partly true?

[–]MotorMathematician 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She wasnt the first black woman to be postmaster

[–]Cryptoliciousness 2 points3 points  (2 children)

There needs to be some kind of inflation metric for mileage as well as dollars because 1903 miles, 5 years before the Model T, are not the same as 2021 miles, 5 years into publicly traded decentralized taxi services.

[–]VorpalHalcyon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Back then Postmaster’s appointments were approved by the President of the United States. They get a plaque from the President with his approval.

[–]mltain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm surprised Teddy didn't go down there personally and kick the living shit out of everyone in the town.

[–]Environmental-Arm269 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then proceeded to be openly racist

[–]Londonian4433 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It should be noted that although Teddy did a lot of really cool things he was also heavily racist towards asian people's as well as a sexist, but I guess that fits with a lot of people of his time.

[–]MagicStar77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What happened to good leadership like this?

[–]azzbeez 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Minnie cox........... Someday I will grow mature enough to not laugh at names such as uranus

[–]Miraster[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lmaooo i didnt even notice

[–]AndrewZabar 54 points55 points  (94 children)

Teddy Roosevelt was one of our more honorable and distinguished leaders.

The piles of shit that sit in office today quite shamefully pale in comparison.

[–]the_mighty_moon_worm 59 points60 points  (70 children)

One of his more famous quotes is "I don't believe all good indians are dead, but I believe nine out of ten are"

He did some good things, but also did some bad things. Please don't romanticize past presidents. It erases a lot of the shitty parts of american history.