Roschon Johnson is that guy

shwrealtor · 2023-05-08T08:49:55+00:00

His ADP is all over the place. I’ve seen him go back of the first all the way to back of the 3rd.

Blasto05 · 2023-05-08T11:12:50+00:00

The later you draft, this is the guy that will have his draft stock change drastically. There will either be reports of him challenging the RB1 spot, or the bears commenting on its Herbert/Foreman’s backfield.

Drafting this early, you are gambling on one way or the other. If it looks like Johnson is the starter…he’s at least an early second if not late first round pick. If he’s taking a backup role..then he will be that third round projection.

Nobody has any idea what will happen right now though. And anyone saying they do is full shit.

Addicted_T0_Trading · 2023-05-08T10:06:31+00:00

He is definitely a guy

6155556969 · 2023-05-08T11:57:12+00:00

I would say the guy he backed up is indeed... that guy

edogzilla · 2023-05-08T12:45:10+00:00

My money is still on Herbert leading this backfield. Roschon is better at pass pro so that’ll allow him to carve out a role. Between Herbert leading in Carries and Fields getting plenty of run, his upside feels like a low end rb2. Assuming he can keep Foreman on the bench.

qdude124 · 2023-05-08T13:26:59+00:00

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joedirt87 · 2023-05-08T13:31:41+00:00

As a Herby believer I sure hope not.

luckylinkun · 2023-05-08T19:24:14+00:00

Justin Fields is the guy. But perhaps Roschon could be the other guy.

jirashap · 2023-05-08T14:02:50+00:00

Every rookie is "that guy" this time of year

matt_boyyy · 2023-05-08T15:09:12+00:00

i went into the draft with only the 4.12 in the league i just won.

Roschon fell to 2.09, and i jumped all over it and the owner of the pick only wanted a 2025 2nd. Feel like that’s a steal for a player with lowe mileage and starter potential.

No-Boysenberry4464 · 2023-05-08T12:46:58+00:00

Day 3 RB.

He could be the next Pacheco. He might be in the other 95% of day 3 RBs tho.

NFL scouts didn’t think he’s the guy

MyNjigbaJSN · 2023-05-08T07:23:00+00:00

Yeah, he's really good. I've been hoping to get him late 2nd all year but that is off the table now for the most part so not getting as many shares I wanted.

steel-falcons · 2023-05-08T07:24:40+00:00

Amazing article on him and the situation in Chicago: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/roschon-johnson-dynasty-profile-2023/

dachhack · 2023-05-08T14:31:16+00:00

Roschon v Herbert

Same draft profile: "Average Backup or Special Teamer"

Same adjusted speed score: 99.5

Rochon Bigger than Herbert

Rochon Drafted higher than Herbert

Herby has done some amazing work with the chances given to him, but he's got some serious competition going into 2023

Barian_Fostate · 2023-05-08T15:45:06+00:00

Best tackle breaker in this class by far (even over Bijan), and has three down versatility and highly efficient in the red zone.

Other than Bijan, he's the guy in this class imo.

Glock-Guy · 2023-05-08T11:28:51+00:00

He went 2.7 in my 10-man

The_Power_Toad · 2023-05-08T13:34:21+00:00

Or just a guy

IStayForTheComments · 2023-05-08T14:32:39+00:00

Anyone think he looks like a slightly faster but less powerful Najee?

Idk I only watched a little but of film but I got a similar impression to Najee.

newaccounthomie · 2023-05-08T15:28:13+00:00

As a Bears fan, I think he should be faded in redraft. The committee around him has promising floor and I don’t see him becoming a league winner unless one or both of Herbert/Foreman gets injured.

That being said, I think the talent is there and I see him being used like Herbert was to Montgomery last season, so he’s probs worth a late flier in Dynasty if you like his talent.

El_Bastardo74 · 2023-05-08T15:40:53+00:00

I took Bijan at 1.01 and him at 2.01 (serpentine draft, I just traded to get the 2.01 and 2.04, which was Dalton Kincaid.) I like his chances to get a decent amount of carries, but more than that, of the three, he can catch passes and pass block, so he should be a third down back in the beginning at least.

Obviously he’s no Bijan, not even close, but he can be a decent starter. Feels like a Nick Chubb situation, where he was stuck behind Sony Michel, but went on to have his own career in the nfl.

football_dude79 · 2023-05-08T20:57:58+00:00

He’s a meh piece on a meh offense. If they had no other RB’s there I’d be with ya. But they have 2-3 starters now and 4 that could easily get touches. Bears offense is gonna be disgusting this year for fantasy outside of Fields.

2023-05-08T12:06:59+00:00

Above average at everything, not great at anything. That's good enough to earn a committee role beyond 2023.

superstonkape · 2023-05-08T13:09:10+00:00

Got him at 2.08 and that felt like the sweet spot

Gonzo925 · 2023-05-08T14:31:05+00:00

In my 12 team SF I traded back from 1.04 for 1.06 and 2.10 and got JSN and Roschon. Worked out great!

Killtec7 · 2023-05-08T15:10:34+00:00

Kenneth Dixon is the next Ray Rice.

Devontae Booker is the next Arian Foster.

CJ Prosise is that guy.

Samaje Perine is that guy.

Joe Williams is that guy.

Wayne Gallman is that guy.

Mark Walton is that guy.

Ito Smith is that guy.

Kalen Ballage is that guy.

Chase Edmunds is that guy.

The closest comp here for Roschon is Samaje. But even Samaje has the single game rushing record and was a monster as a freshman before Mixon got on the field.

Maybe Roschon is good, maybe he's Pollard or whatever successful case you want. But there have been a lot of profoundly talented runners that have gotten a lot of profound praise landed with the right QBs/RB coaches/offensive coordinators/head coaches that haven't made it no matter how much their talent flashed.

He's a 4th round guy and his ADP needs to stay low. The second people start taking him in the top 10-15 picks they are all ripe for disappointment.

TheProcesser · 2023-05-08T13:30:59+00:00

Something keeps telling me to get this guy everywhere

nemoomen · 2023-05-08T13:52:51+00:00

Unless someone drops from the 1st I want him at 2.02. I'm not knocking him for being worse than Bijan, basically everyone is.

2023-05-08T14:13:38+00:00

I took him 2.09 in SF, im feeling alright about it. Couldve had LaPorta though

DBD216 · 2023-05-08T15:01:41+00:00

I'm hoping to get him with the 2.05

al03968 · 2023-05-08T15:09:12+00:00

i traded up for him and got him at 2.5

Lost-Pineapple9791 · 2023-05-08T15:31:44+00:00

I have him as a mid to late second based on team need

Think i grabbed him at 2.06 as well as end of 3rd

I think he may be the least hyped up prospect ever lol

Foreman is depth they do not expect top production out of him

Herbert has the speed but it seems doubtful he’s an 75%+ of snaps player

Johnson seems like the very basic just put him into any play/packages/down guy

I imagine they’ll do lots of RPO’s and where it defense is covering wide for fields then he gives it to roaschon to pound up the middle for an easy 6 yards

massivecalvesbro · 2023-05-08T15:34:43+00:00

I feel the same way about Kandre Miller

SpotTop1799 · 2023-05-08T17:07:33+00:00

Thanks for posting this. I had no idea who he was, and neither did my league mates. Just scooped him off waivers😅

062692 · 2023-05-09T07:34:54+00:00

He's everyone's favorite sleeper, which means he's gonna be trash lol

EliteofEliteTalent · 2023-05-29T13:20:34+00:00

This is one of those guys that doesn’t fit the mold, but I think he’s one of the safest picks in this years fantasy draft. People have to get past the fact that he was behind Bijon in college. He could have transferred, but he didn’t. His metics and his tape are phenomenal. He is a complete back, and he has long speed that isn’t accounted for, having been timed at 22.6 mph in off season workouts. Many people are excited about Herbert, but while he’s explosive, he is not consistent, and he’s a zero in the passing game, while Roschon is incredibly consistent and a plus as a blocker and a receiver. So what does this mean to fantasy? He will quickly take over on short yardage and passing downs and eventually take the Montgomery role, because he’s a more explosive Montgomery. By all accounts, his leadership qualities are off the chart. Things like the dominator rating are weighing down his value. The kid can play. Fair value is late first to early second in a 12-team dynasty league. If you get him later, that’s all just incremental value.

dwaite1 · 2023-05-08T12:44:21+00:00

I took him at 2.08 and was so glad to get him there

LoserCowGoMoo · 2023-05-08T12:51:56+00:00

Welllllllllll...

The Bears top focus this year is giving Fields a solitary year to prove if he is the long term solution because they own the panthers 1st next year and they expect it to be a top 10 pick meaning they can get their future signal caller if need be. So this year is all about committing to fields, and everything will be tuned towards that goal.

Taken in the 4th round his draft stock is no impetus to play him more. He has to earn a role.

Well Khalil Hebert is a proven commodity on early downs, hd fits their offense great and they should be happy with him and Foreman as their early down backs. Permaybe a hothand approach week to week.

That means Roscon needs to play so fantastic he usurps the veterans who are proven OR he needs to play on third down. Like Kamara made himself as a playmaker behind AP and Ingram as a rookie, he needs to force his way on the field with good 3rd down play. So...is he a better pass protector and pass catcher than Travis Homer?

If not...start praying to the injury gods because Justin fields is already the favorite to leave the bears in rushing next year and they sure as h*** aren't going to imperil him in the pocket just So they Can Get a rookie running back they picked up in the fourth round some playing time.

Ice-Storm · 2023-05-08T13:07:56+00:00

He’s a pass for me unless late in round 2. Fields is the RB. And if anything he’ll have a good/decent 23 season right up until the Bears draft a RB in round 2 next season.

He’s a guy if I get him late, I’d be trying to flip him for more this season like every Tyler Allgier owner wishes they did

lod254 · 2023-05-08T12:07:48+00:00

Situation is scary. Fields is the RB. I still don't like Dobbins because of a similar situation in Baltimore.

steamycreamybehemoth · 2023-05-08T07:46:41+00:00

I just don’t see him being anything other than a low to mid range rb2 at best for the next two to three years.

He’s got power and is good at pass protection, but will get many valuable touches? Maybe goal line, but fields is there and will vulture. Herbert is better at pass catching and is more explosive. Foreman proved he was a capable power back last year as well and is still relatively young.

If he gets volume of 200 touches or more, he could be decent. But in his situation, I don’t like him at cost.

Leon_Phelps11 · 2023-05-08T12:06:48+00:00

Snagged Johnson at 3.01 in 14 team draft and have Herbert on my roster.. highly considering what I can fetch for Herbert

bumba03 · 2023-05-08T13:09:43+00:00

This conversation is useless without a reference point of where he represents good value. He was pick 115, if we're talking about people drafting him at the end of the first that's really bad. If we're talking about him after pick 20 in rookie drafts then sure, that's great value. But "scouts and coaches praise" means very little compared to where those scouts and coaches decided to pick him in the draft.

eastcoaster82 · 2023-05-08T13:53:32+00:00

I’ll have to watch more tape. He didn’t look as good as Khalil Herbert to me

VeterinarianLevel786 · 2023-05-08T14:39:52+00:00

i think he is a JAG, depth piece is all, i’m avoiding

gusbmoizoos · 2023-05-08T14:51:58+00:00

A former QB who's projected as a backup / special teamer. Probably get 1 or 2 Goal line TDs in his career.

Haskins77 · 2023-05-08T19:30:07+00:00

Yeah Spiller and Zamir White were the guys last year as well. 🙄🤣

Blecklee · 2023-05-08T12:51:17+00:00

Will be dominate in point per water bottle leagues

shawzy88 · 2023-05-08T13:42:31+00:00

This has to be a troll job

JW9520 · 2023-05-08T10:18:10+00:00

He wasn’t even the guy in college…

nickblade74 · 2023-05-08T14:10:32+00:00

I think he’s gettin 1 series to Herbert’s 3

ChefJeff7777777 · 2023-05-08T15:52:22+00:00

There’s a few parts to the Roschon equation.

He’s in an ambiguous backfield. This generally bodes well, but he still has to be good enough to dominate touches. So let’s look at the talent.

Skill wise, he is a rotational level RB that is a good not great rusher, and above average in passing down situations (pass pro and dump offs, not a route runner). This is reflected by his mid 4th round draft cap, and the fact the bears passed on him multiple times, including trading back at the start of the 4th round instead of drafting him then and there thinking “wow, what a steal, can’t believe he’s still here”. Not great, but not a death kneel, back to his situation.

His QB (if you think fields is long term) is firmly in the rushing QB tier. Because of Fields skill set, the amount of receiving work Roschon will get is severely capped. This is well documented that rushing QBs do not target the RB position unless it’s Christian McCaffery. Massive hit to Roschons ceiling in any PPR league, need to really temper expectations now regarding his high end outcome.

His primary competitor imo is Khalil Herbert, who averaged 5.7 y/c on 10 rushes/g, already knows the system, but isn’t a big threat in the passing game.

Conclusion: Roschon’s path to success is averaging significantly more than 5.7y/c to make Herbert irrelevant, and consuming all of the RB targets, which will be limited due to Fields play style. Fade Roschon at his ADP, grab WRs in that range.

EliteofEliteTalent · 2023-05-08T16:24:23+00:00

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hugh_h0ney · 2023-05-08T13:43:44+00:00

Love Roschon and think he can be that guy. That being said I feel like people disrespect Khalil Herbert and what he’s done with his opportunities. I think it’s most likely a committee and possibly a nightmare from a fantasy perspective but I think there is a greater chance of Khalil just running with the job than Roschon coming in and replacing two vets his rookie year.

Sufficient-Tourist45 · 2023-05-08T13:57:59+00:00

I’ve got him targeted at 2.06 for my upcoming draft. However, I feel Tank Bigsby will also be there and I’m in a huge dilemma on who to take. I know Bigsby has the DC but in reality he was taken 1 round ahead of RJ

2023-05-08T13:58:57+00:00

I had the 2.6 and 2.10 this year. I bought the 2.7 with my 2.10 and 3.10 (my last pick of this draft) to move up and draft Kendre Miller and followed by Tank Bigsby.

RoJohn, Spears, and Chase Brown were all there which made it very difficult. After tons of research I concluded that despite RoJohn being the RB selection by a new regime, he would compete heavily with Fields RPOs/Herbert and he never had the college production of a true workhorse. Not to the likes of Tank or Miller, who was a "my guy" for me this draft. Rojohn went 2.9 as the next RB off the board.

Ego_Orb · 2023-05-08T14:57:45+00:00

I got him at 2.02 (10 man 2QB). It was a slight reach but I didn't have another pick until 3.05, but I strongly believe in him AND I drafted Khalil Herbert so it makes sense to get his handcuff. I think he ends up filling the David Montgomery role well.

HotDoggityDig13 · 2023-05-08T15:38:12+00:00

Depends what you mean by 'that guy'.

Yes, he's going to get some volume at a position notorious for injuries. Yes, he should get some goal line opportunities.

But there's not a big ceiling there and I wouldn't bank on insane pass catching numbers. He seems like a Jamaal williams type, which is very useful in dynasty, but he ain't winning leagues.

dracutden2 · 2023-05-08T16:48:15+00:00

Personally not on my draft wishlist, he’s got some decent comps in his range of outcomes…

Dameon Pierce, Hassan Haskins, Lamical Perine, Mike Davis, Marcus Lattimore

So that being said I just don’t believe he will have a long starter/lead back career If you’re contending and grab him at the middle of the 3rd and hope he’s the lead for at least a year or 2

PistolPeteTrollovich · 2023-05-08T18:37:58+00:00

Got him 3.02, I’m high on Roschon

Judge-Open · 2023-05-08T19:18:54+00:00

I think he’s going to be great in real life but not a very good fantasy player. Fields is RB1, Herbert is going to get his touches, it just doesn’t leave enough work for him to be a difference maker from a fantasy perspective even if he is stellar when he has the ball

kamakazi339 · 2023-05-08T19:34:51+00:00

He's not gotta supplant Herbert so I guess if he falls late then go for it.

AchroMac · 2023-05-08T19:45:15+00:00

Gunna be used like a traditional full back

jgebo · 2023-05-08T21:02:34+00:00

Got him at 3.04 haha thank youuu

BidoofTheGod · 2023-05-09T00:32:17+00:00

I just got him 169th overall in a startup. Steal or nah?

KDDynasty15 · 2023-05-14T00:51:30+00:00

Grabbed him at 2.08 in my 10 team 1 QB draft. I don’t love him as a prospect, but felt it was pretty good value there. Picked him over a few WRs like Downs and Tillman.

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