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[–]shwrealtor 119 points120 points  (8 children)

His ADP is all over the place. I’ve seen him go back of the first all the way to back of the 3rd.

[–]AgeOfAnthony Vikings 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Yup, my brother just snagged him at 3.06 in our 10 tm, 1PPR league. DeWayne McBride went one pick ahead of him 😑

[–]shwrealtor 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Which back of the 3rd isn’t bad for McBride, but Roschon is definitely the more valuable player.

[–]ilikebunnies1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The back of the first is fucking bananas.

[–]flashpoint707 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In my main league, a ten team 1QB league he was drafted 1.06. I didn’t have any picks in the draft but watching that come made me say “yikes” out loud lmao

[–]ChaplnGrillSgt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gimme gimme in the mid 3rd please!

[–]G4T0RN4T10N 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I got him at 2.06 in a 14 team league and 2.09 in a 10 team league. Love it.

[–]Wiseguy888 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m going to pull the trigger around there too as a Longhorn fan who is also getting Bijan

[–]DevouringOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got him at 3.09

[–]Blasto05 96 points97 points  (7 children)

The later you draft, this is the guy that will have his draft stock change drastically. There will either be reports of him challenging the RB1 spot, or the bears commenting on its Herbert/Foreman’s backfield.

Drafting this early, you are gambling on one way or the other. If it looks like Johnson is the starter…he’s at least an early second if not late first round pick. If he’s taking a backup role..then he will be that third round projection.

Nobody has any idea what will happen right now though. And anyone saying they do is full shit.

[–]BelViso 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I grabbed him at the end of the 2nd in a 12 team 1QB league. I also have Herbert and at the very least he seems like a high end handcuff for this season that can live on my taxi squad until needed.

[–]FluffyAd7925 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed - feels like the Roschon hype is happing because the dynasty fantasy community wants it to happen, not necessarily because it's warranted. Most likely the backfield is a committee. And nothing these days is stopping the Bears from taking a 1st-3rd on an RB next year. I'm interested at the right price, but not labeling Roschon as "that guy" just because I want it to happen.

[–]Sad-Plankton-7380 0 points1 point  (4 children)

High second is still too high. Best realistic case is he's the 1b this year behind an O line that's trending up but still pretty bad. Not too mention there's nothing from stopping a team with a crazy amount of money in cap to get grab Ezekiel, Fournette, or Hunt

[–]qdude124 10 points11 points  (3 children)

As a Bears fan, this is a super common misconception. The Bears o line was actually good run blocking last year. I want to say PFF ranked them in the top half at least, and maybe even top 10 for run block.

It was the pass block that was not good at all. Now, I’m a glass half-full fan so I believe the pass block was bad because Fields couldn’t make a read to save his life in the first half of last year and this combined with a putrid crop of receivers really hurt them in pass block.

We signed Nate Davis who should be a big help at guard. Hopefully, we get better health from Teven Jenkins and Cody Whitehair. However, we also signed Darnell Wright who was an absolutely elite pass blocker in college but struggled in run block. That being said he is replacing Larry Borom/Riley Reiff at RT, neither of which were all that good last year.

Overall, I’d project the Bears to have a plus oline with the potential to be really good in run block. I’d love to buy our backfield if it didn’t project as 3-4 headed monster. Herbert looked great on the Bears with limited touches last year He really shined when Montgomery was out for a bit. I believe he was an RB1 though the first 5-7 games last year, even with Monty playing over half of them. Foreman had a few ridiculous games last year. Homer projects as the third down back. People love this Roschon dude but I think they all eat too much of each others pie. On top of all of that, Fields led the league in QB rushing last year. That being said there are ton of backfields that have similar issues so you may as well throw a dart on Roschon if you can scoop him up in the early third. This is an ascending offense that could be special as soon as next year.

[–]Grand_Quiet_2996 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm not a Bears fan but somehow I've ended up with Fields (waiver wire pick up mid season last year), Herbert (draft), DJ Moore (trade before he was traded). And I'm in on Roschon at 1.09 😂

[–]lebumcurrant12T/SF/PPR 2 points3 points  (1 child)

1.09 is bonkers man

[–]Grand_Quiet_2996 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To each their own. I've got a decent roster so rather take a dart throw at someone that can be a three down back than the other options available there. Maybe Kincaid but I've already got Hock and Pitts

[–]Addicted_T0_Trading Dynasty Ortho/Sports cert. PT 60 points61 points  (4 children)

He is definitely a guy

[–]WhatIsACatch Perennially Rebuilding 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Out of all of the running backs in the league, he’s certainly one of them

[–]CardiBsKnees Eagles 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Need a source for such a bold claim

[–]WhatIsACatch Perennially Rebuilding 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I made it up

[–]poop-dolla 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]6155556969 Titans 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I would say the guy he backed up is indeed... that guy

[–]goddammnick Patriots 4 points5 points  (1 child)

wow, I didn't realize that he backed up Bijan basically his entire college career. Miles Sanders 2.0, although Sanders was fortunate enough to have one season without Barkley to show off.

[–]Jalenoh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He was originally recruited to UT as a QB and then made the switch to RB

[–]edogzilla 15 points16 points  (3 children)

My money is still on Herbert leading this backfield. Roschon is better at pass pro so that’ll allow him to carve out a role. Between Herbert leading in Carries and Fields getting plenty of run, his upside feels like a low end rb2. Assuming he can keep Foreman on the bench.

[–]Killtec7/ 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Pass pro doesn't matter if your QB doesn't know how to sit in pockets and consistently runs against the leverage of their blockers.

I love Fields--but he has been devastatingly bad under pressure. Great QBs know how to manipulate the pocket and help their offensive line maintain leverage on defenders. That's your Burrows, your Brady's, your Mahomes of the world.

[–]astrisk120 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Pass pro still gets your on the field regardless of what your quarterback is doing

[–]edogzilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)


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    [–]qdude124 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    Okay, maybe he’s not “that guy” but he definitely could be “him” right?

    [–]Kellnerganoosh 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Ranking of hyperbolic titles:

    1.The Truth 2. That guy 3. HIM 4. Elite 5. The guy 6. Just a guy

    Thoughts? Feedback? May spin this off into a post. Love the inspiration and creative juices this is providing for me.

    [–]hobbitbowling 8 points9 points  (7 children)

    He ranked a top 20 in PFFs pass blocking rankings.

    Not saying it’s gospel, but some stats seem to back up he’s got great pass blocking skills. If true, could be a huge advantage for him in the foreman Herbert backfield.

    Not sure about foreman, but Herbert has been lambasted for poor pass blocking already

    [–]El_Bastardo74 4 points5 points  (5 children)

    And he’s the best pass catcher of the three.

    [–]ChefJeff7777777 $traight Ca$h Homie 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    His QB is a rushing QB, he’s not going to get targeted even if he is the best pass catcher

    [–]MrMooc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Travis Homer is an excellent pass-blocker. So I don't even see Roschon getting those snaps, at least not this year.

    [–]NewtoniusMonk 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Who would you choose between Bigsby and him?

    [–]joedirt87 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    As a Herby believer I sure hope not.

    [–]littlejobin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Herby is always gonna have competition unfortunately because he can’t block for shit

    [–]luckylinkun 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Justin Fields is the guy. But perhaps Roschon could be the other guy.

    [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    ^ we’ll see!

    [–]jirashap 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Every rookie is "that guy" this time of year

    [–]DC4MVP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Yeah its people wanting their draft picks to hit. Trying to will it into existence.

    [–]jirashap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Sounds like I need to will this Reddit forum out of existence until September

    [–]matt_boyyy President of the Jimmy Gesus Fan Club 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    i went into the draft with only the 4.12 in the league i just won.

    Roschon fell to 2.09, and i jumped all over it and the owner of the pick only wanted a 2025 2nd. Feel like that’s a steal for a player with lowe mileage and starter potential.

    [–]No-Boysenberry4464 28 points29 points  (28 children)

    Day 3 RB.

    He could be the next Pacheco. He might be in the other 95% of day 3 RBs tho.

    NFL scouts didn’t think he’s the guy

    [–]Ko0pa_Tro0pa 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    This has a Samaje Perine feel to it. By the end of the offseason, he was going late 1st. And I'm not even saying Perine was not good. I think he's looked good, especially last year, but 100% of the people that took him late 1st/early 2nd regretted it.

    Maybe people will get lucky this time. It happens. But it's a pretty risky selection. Foreman and Herbert are both "good not great" players. Does anyone expect Roschon to be better than good not great? He's got more competition in that regard than Perine did as a rookie.

    [–]Killtec7/ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Bursty freshman Samaje, pre bulk Samaje would have been a monster in the NFL.

    [–]Ko0pa_Tro0pa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    He's still a talented guy. Just never justified the (dynasty) ADP.

    [–]No-Boysenberry4464 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Wasn’t playing dynasty back then, never thought Perine would have been borderline 1st

    [–]astrisk120 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Perine was a consensus end of round 1 guy

    [–]milk-drinker-69 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I’ve looked into this pretty deeply since 2010. If you can block in pass pro and/or you’re on a very good team, you can have multiple rb2+ seasons.

    [–]MattFromWork Packers 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    Day 3 RBs have a higher hit rate than WRs drafted in the 3rd round or later...

    [–]No-Boysenberry4464 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Absolutely, but it’s not my point to be fair

    [–]Killtec7/ -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

    Good point so that means a minimum of 20 guys are ahead of Roschon. Maybe as many as 25 or 26.

    [–]Abanikandy -5 points-4 points  (15 children)

    Lazy take

    [–]No-Boysenberry4464 9 points10 points  (14 children)

    Lazy response

    [–]Abanikandy -5 points-4 points  (13 children)

    [–]DC4MVP 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    No horse in the race but can you give me something a bit less biased than ChicagoBears.com? lol

    [–]newaccounthomie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I hear your argument, but this is the scout that found him. I don’t think you’ll get a better idea of what the Bears think of him than this, and that’s really all that matters from an opportunity standpoint.

    [–]Abanikandy -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    Did you watch the video? I’d like to see another scout talk about a player like this directly post-draft

    [–]Killtec7/ 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    "team that drafted him thinks he's special"

    [–]Abanikandy -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

    Show me a scout talk about a player like this. Bro almost cried lol

    [–]Killtec7/ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Nah, I don't want to go through the lexicon of coach speak and tragic stories that litter draft day every year.

    [–]Abanikandy -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    You wouldn’t find it anyway. GGs

    [–]No-Boysenberry4464 4 points5 points  (5 children)

    My kid is the best player on the team

    [–]Abanikandy -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

    Show me another scout on verge of tears about a player

    [–]JLifts780 Browns 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    The Cowboys drafting Deuce Vaughn?

    [–]No-Boysenberry4464 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I’ll give you some magic beans for your 2024 1st

    [–]Abanikandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I’m all set - got Roschon for a bargain at 2.12 because muh day 3 RB scared everyone off 🤣

    [–]MyNjigbaJSN 20 points21 points  (11 children)

    Yeah, he's really good. I've been hoping to get him late 2nd all year but that is off the table now for the most part so not getting as many shares I wanted.

    [–]wagonboy69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I just took him 2.09 we’ll see how it goes I don’t mind the value on him there at all was excited to see he was still around.

    [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] 3 points4 points  (9 children)

    Yeah I’m sitting at the 1.08 and 2.08. I’ll be stunned if he falls to the 2.08

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      [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] 12 points13 points  (5 children)

      I’m really high on Jayden reed. He’s super talented and played well despite poor qb play at Mich st. Mims or downs wouldn’t be terrible either.

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        [–]WestsideWalrus 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        I’m likely going to be faced with the same dilemma at 2.06 and 2.07 lol

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          [–]WestsideWalrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          These are my rankings too - based on talent first and foremost - landing spot second.

          [–]Abanikandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          4th round RB = 3rd round WR

          [–]llnicholasll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I was able to get him at the 2.08 back on Saturday so it’s possible

          [–]herpderpington712 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          He just went at 3.01. There’s hope, but you never know.

          [–]steel-falcons 19 points20 points  (7 children)

          Amazing article on him and the situation in Chicago: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/roschon-johnson-dynasty-profile-2023/

          [–]feetandballsNo Flair 26 points27 points  (4 children)

          Amazingly aggressive ads

          [–]steel-falcons 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Wow you’re right, I almost don’t even see them anymore! Haha

          [–]iLiveinMissoula 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Try using Brave for a browser. I never see ads and sites load much faster.

          [–]miafins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I use an app called AdGuard. Not a single ad showing on that page for me.

          [–]ChefJeff7777777 $traight Ca$h Homie 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Good lord, if anyone is considering him over charb (or Achane IMO) as the article states, please inject them directly into my league so I can send infinite trade offers to draft directly behind whenever possible.

          [–]steel-falcons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Ehhh I’m not: Charb is a classic tale of when you should chase the talent over the circumstance. Achane is a toss up to me, only one round ahead and you may get more upside but less consistency.

          [–]dachhack The best shape of his life 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Roschon v Herbert

          Same draft profile: "Average Backup or Special Teamer"

          Same adjusted speed score: 99.5

          Rochon Bigger than Herbert

          Rochon Drafted higher than Herbert

          Herby has done some amazing work with the chances given to him, but he's got some serious competition going into 2023

          [–]newaccounthomie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          My only hesitation is that Herbert has consistently overachieved as a pure runner. I think he’s gonna be the first and second down guy for 70%+ of the time. However, Roschon is projected to be the best pass-blocker of the group if college performance can be trusted, so he might quickly become the guy on third downs.

          [–]Barian_Fostate 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Best tackle breaker in this class by far (even over Bijan), and has three down versatility and highly efficient in the red zone.

          Other than Bijan, he's the guy in this class imo.

          [–]Glock-Guy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          He went 2.7 in my 10-man

          [–]wagonboy69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Yeah i took him 2.09 in my 10 man

          [–]The_Power_Toad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Or just a guy

          [–]IStayForTheComments12T/SF/PPR 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          Anyone think he looks like a slightly faster but less powerful Najee?

          Idk I only watched a little but of film but I got a similar impression to Najee.

          [–]gopokes86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          A little bit late here. But I found some stats that he had about 70% of his yards come after contact and was ridiculous in forced missed tackles the last two years (45% rate - higher than Bijan). Granted, it’s probably easier to do when defenses don’t stack (like against Bijan) and there is more spacing at the LOS to gain momentum as a runner. Even then, was higher than just about every qualifying RB in the country (who didn’t have Bijan).

          My biggest surprise, this came soon after he transitioned from being UT’s QB. So, I’m not sure he’s less powerful than Najee.

          [–]nothing___new 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Ooo I actually like this comp a lot.

          [–]newaccounthomie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          As a Bears fan, I think he should be faded in redraft. The committee around him has promising floor and I don’t see him becoming a league winner unless one or both of Herbert/Foreman gets injured.

          That being said, I think the talent is there and I see him being used like Herbert was to Montgomery last season, so he’s probs worth a late flier in Dynasty if you like his talent.

          [–]El_Bastardo74 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I took Bijan at 1.01 and him at 2.01 (serpentine draft, I just traded to get the 2.01 and 2.04, which was Dalton Kincaid.) I like his chances to get a decent amount of carries, but more than that, of the three, he can catch passes and pass block, so he should be a third down back in the beginning at least.

          Obviously he’s no Bijan, not even close, but he can be a decent starter. Feels like a Nick Chubb situation, where he was stuck behind Sony Michel, but went on to have his own career in the nfl.

          [–]football_dude79 Packers 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          He’s a meh piece on a meh offense. If they had no other RB’s there I’d be with ya. But they have 2-3 starters now and 4 that could easily get touches. Bears offense is gonna be disgusting this year for fantasy outside of Fields.

          [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          I wouldn’t say their offense is meh. They’ve added some great pieces. It’s all up to fields to deliver at this point. The o line should be much better 🤷🏻‍♂️

          [–]football_dude79 Packers 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          I say meh as in who are you excited to start in fantasy on that team? Fields threw 7 TD’s rookie year and 17 his 2nd year hasn’t shown much of any reason to believe he’s going to just be a prolific passer in the league. He’s an excellent runner though which gives him top 5-10 QB value.

          DJ Moore is maybe the only other piece you could be excited for but again not many TD’s or many yards or receptions. Until Fields proves he can throw frequently and more effectively I’m avoiding that whole offense. That’s just my perspective.

          For the record I wouldn’t touch anyone to start in GB either and that’s my team of choice lol. To answer your question I think if you have Roschan he was always going to be a wait and see player. Giving their room idt he was ever drafted to be the de facto RB1 however but it could happen, Pacheco was in a similar situation last year and it worked for him and his truthers.

          [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I thought your packer bias was coming through for a second lmao. I agree tho if fields can show he can be a prolific qb through the air than the skies the limit for him and everyone on that offense.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Above average at everything, not great at anything. That's good enough to earn a committee role beyond 2023.

          [–]superstonkape Chiefs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Got him at 2.08 and that felt like the sweet spot

          [–]Gonzo925 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          In my 12 team SF I traded back from 1.04 for 1.06 and 2.10 and got JSN and Roschon. Worked out great!

          [–]Killtec7/ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Kenneth Dixon is the next Ray Rice.

          Devontae Booker is the next Arian Foster.

          CJ Prosise is that guy.

          Samaje Perine is that guy.

          Joe Williams is that guy.

          Wayne Gallman is that guy.

          Mark Walton is that guy.

          Ito Smith is that guy.

          Kalen Ballage is that guy.

          Chase Edmunds is that guy.

          The closest comp here for Roschon is Samaje. But even Samaje has the single game rushing record and was a monster as a freshman before Mixon got on the field.

          Maybe Roschon is good, maybe he's Pollard or whatever successful case you want. But there have been a lot of profoundly talented runners that have gotten a lot of profound praise landed with the right QBs/RB coaches/offensive coordinators/head coaches that haven't made it no matter how much their talent flashed.

          He's a 4th round guy and his ADP needs to stay low. The second people start taking him in the top 10-15 picks they are all ripe for disappointment.

          [–]TheProcesser 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Something keeps telling me to get this guy everywhere

          [–]nemoomen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Unless someone drops from the 1st I want him at 2.02. I'm not knocking him for being worse than Bijan, basically everyone is.

          [–]KnicksJetsYankees 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Achane and kendre Miller have consistently dropped out of the 1st and been available at 2.02 in SF leagues I'm in....trade back from 2.02 if you want roschon

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I took him 2.09 in SF, im feeling alright about it. Couldve had LaPorta though

          [–]DBD216 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm hoping to get him with the 2.05

          [–]al03968 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          i traded up for him and got him at 2.5

          [–]Lost-Pineapple9791 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I have him as a mid to late second based on team need

          Think i grabbed him at 2.06 as well as end of 3rd

          I think he may be the least hyped up prospect ever lol

          Foreman is depth they do not expect top production out of him

          Herbert has the speed but it seems doubtful he’s an 75%+ of snaps player

          Johnson seems like the very basic just put him into any play/packages/down guy

          I imagine they’ll do lots of RPO’s and where it defense is covering wide for fields then he gives it to roaschon to pound up the middle for an easy 6 yards

          [–]massivecalvesbro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I feel the same way about Kandre Miller

          [–]SpotTop1799 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Thanks for posting this. I had no idea who he was, and neither did my league mates. Just scooped him off waivers😅

          [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Nice!! Great pick up!

          [–]062692 Dolphins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          He's everyone's favorite sleeper, which means he's gonna be trash lol

          [–]EliteofEliteTalent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is one of those guys that doesn’t fit the mold, but I think he’s one of the safest picks in this years fantasy draft. People have to get past the fact that he was behind Bijon in college. He could have transferred, but he didn’t. His metics and his tape are phenomenal. He is a complete back, and he has long speed that isn’t accounted for, having been timed at 22.6 mph in off season workouts. Many people are excited about Herbert, but while he’s explosive, he is not consistent, and he’s a zero in the passing game, while Roschon is incredibly consistent and a plus as a blocker and a receiver. So what does this mean to fantasy? He will quickly take over on short yardage and passing downs and eventually take the Montgomery role, because he’s a more explosive Montgomery. By all accounts, his leadership qualities are off the chart. Things like the dominator rating are weighing down his value. The kid can play. Fair value is late first to early second in a 12-team dynasty league. If you get him later, that’s all just incremental value.

          [–]dwaite1 Mr Big Chest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I took him at 2.08 and was so glad to get him there

          [–]LoserCowGoMoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)


          The Bears top focus this year is giving Fields a solitary year to prove if he is the long term solution because they own the panthers 1st next year and they expect it to be a top 10 pick meaning they can get their future signal caller if need be. So this year is all about committing to fields, and everything will be tuned towards that goal.

          Taken in the 4th round his draft stock is no impetus to play him more. He has to earn a role.

          Well Khalil Hebert is a proven commodity on early downs, hd fits their offense great and they should be happy with him and Foreman as their early down backs. Permaybe a hothand approach week to week.

          That means Roscon needs to play so fantastic he usurps the veterans who are proven OR he needs to play on third down. Like Kamara made himself as a playmaker behind AP and Ingram as a rookie, he needs to force his way on the field with good 3rd down play. So...is he a better pass protector and pass catcher than Travis Homer?

          If not...start praying to the injury gods because Justin fields is already the favorite to leave the bears in rushing next year and they sure as h*** aren't going to imperil him in the pocket just So they Can Get a rookie running back they picked up in the fourth round some playing time.

          [–]Ice-Storm Vikings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          He’s a pass for me unless late in round 2. Fields is the RB. And if anything he’ll have a good/decent 23 season right up until the Bears draft a RB in round 2 next season.

          He’s a guy if I get him late, I’d be trying to flip him for more this season like every Tyler Allgier owner wishes they did

          [–]lod254 Bills 2 points3 points  (9 children)

          Situation is scary. Fields is the RB. I still don't like Dobbins because of a similar situation in Baltimore.

          [–]Shittgoose 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Dobby is going to ball this year.

          [–]lod254 Bills -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          I hope you're correct, but I've been afraid to start him since I drafted him.

          I would love to move him for 1.05 if Gibbs is there, but I can't imagine that's a fair trade.

          [–]Terrible_Sandwich_94 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

          Fields had 60ish designed runs last year. That hardly makes him "the RB".

          [–]lod254 Bills 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          If he throws 19 times per game for 132 yards, is he the QB?

          [–]Terrible_Sandwich_94 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          That depends. Is he lining up behind the center and receiving the snap? If so, then yes, he's the QB.

          [–]lod254 Bills 0 points1 point  (3 children)


          [–]Terrible_Sandwich_94 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

          For it to be wild cat, there has to be a QB on the field lined up at a position other than behind the center. If the bears are running nothing but wild cat, who is the QB?

          [–]lod254 Bills -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          Must be Mooney.

          [–]Terrible_Sandwich_94 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          got it.

          [–]steamycreamybehemoth -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

          I just don’t see him being anything other than a low to mid range rb2 at best for the next two to three years.

          He’s got power and is good at pass protection, but will get many valuable touches? Maybe goal line, but fields is there and will vulture. Herbert is better at pass catching and is more explosive. Foreman proved he was a capable power back last year as well and is still relatively young.

          If he gets volume of 200 touches or more, he could be decent. But in his situation, I don’t like him at cost.

          [–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (2 children)

          Am I missing something with Herbert’s pass catching? He’s been a complete zero at it in both the NFL and college

          [–]LovejoyForNorris 21 points22 points  (0 children)

          He’s 5’9 so everyone automatically assumes he’s a pass catcher even though he didn’t hit double digit catches last year and only hit double digit catches once (10 actually) in 5 years of college.

          [–]ElBori1 23 points24 points  (0 children)

          We talking about Khalil Herbert ? Because he’s a non factor in the pass game and an atrocious pass protector . Roschon will have no problem getting over him on passing downs

          [–]steel-falcons 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          27 is not “relatively young” and goal line + passing downs is the work I care about in PPR. This time last year we may have been saying the same things about Rhamondre… cost is a great point though mid-second is probably fair but anything before that is too steep.

          [–]StraightBumSauce Werbenjägermanjensen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          What part of Herbert's profile suggests he's a better pass catcher? Roschon had more raw numbers and a better college target share, playing 1 less year and behind Bijan lmao

          [–]Leon_Phelps11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Snagged Johnson at 3.01 in 14 team draft and have Herbert on my roster.. highly considering what I can fetch for Herbert

          [–]bumba03 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This conversation is useless without a reference point of where he represents good value. He was pick 115, if we're talking about people drafting him at the end of the first that's really bad. If we're talking about him after pick 20 in rookie drafts then sure, that's great value. But "scouts and coaches praise" means very little compared to where those scouts and coaches decided to pick him in the draft.

          [–]eastcoaster82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I’ll have to watch more tape. He didn’t look as good as Khalil Herbert to me

          [–]VeterinarianLevel786 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          i think he is a JAG, depth piece is all, i’m avoiding

          [–]gusbmoizoos Seahawks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          A former QB who's projected as a backup / special teamer. Probably get 1 or 2 Goal line TDs in his career.

          [–]Abanikandy 0 points1 point  (0 children)


          [–]Haskins77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yeah Spiller and Zamir White were the guys last year as well. 🙄🤣

          [–]Blecklee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Will be dominate in point per water bottle leagues

          [–]shawzy88 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          This has to be a troll job

          [–]nickblade74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          I think he’s gettin 1 series to Herbert’s 3

          [–]ChefJeff7777777 $traight Ca$h Homie -1 points0 points  (18 children)

          There’s a few parts to the Roschon equation.

          He’s in an ambiguous backfield. This generally bodes well, but he still has to be good enough to dominate touches. So let’s look at the talent.

          Skill wise, he is a rotational level RB that is a good not great rusher, and above average in passing down situations (pass pro and dump offs, not a route runner). This is reflected by his mid 4th round draft cap, and the fact the bears passed on him multiple times, including trading back at the start of the 4th round instead of drafting him then and there thinking “wow, what a steal, can’t believe he’s still here”. Not great, but not a death kneel, back to his situation.

          His QB (if you think fields is long term) is firmly in the rushing QB tier. Because of Fields skill set, the amount of receiving work Roschon will get is severely capped. This is well documented that rushing QBs do not target the RB position unless it’s Christian McCaffery. Massive hit to Roschons ceiling in any PPR league, need to really temper expectations now regarding his high end outcome.

          His primary competitor imo is Khalil Herbert, who averaged 5.7 y/c on 10 rushes/g, already knows the system, but isn’t a big threat in the passing game.

          Conclusion: Roschon’s path to success is averaging significantly more than 5.7y/c to make Herbert irrelevant, and consuming all of the RB targets, which will be limited due to Fields play style. Fade Roschon at his ADP, grab WRs in that range.

          [–]EliteofEliteTalent 0 points1 point  (17 children)

          Good, not great rusher? Tell me that you haven't watched the film or looked at the advanced metrics without telling me that you haven't watched the film or looked at the advanced metrics.

          YPC is a terrible metric to use by itself. This is also why everyone is so flabbergasted that Seattle took a RB, much less two. In the NFL, you can't waste a bunch of downs waiting for the big play. NFL coaches want and need running backs that consistently move the ball up the field and put pressure on defenses. Guys like Herbert put teams in consistent 2nd and 3rd and long downs. They are a nice change of pace but you can't consistently win with a guy like that as your primary back. And NFL coaches like to win football games and put pressure on defenses.

          The Bears passing metrics last year to the running backs were better than the average running quarterback profile. They were average to slightly above, and it's fair to expect that that will improve as Fields improves as a passer and as they are able to pass more with real actual threats at the position. In addition, Herbert and Foreman are very poor passing down running backs in terms of catching or blocking for the pass. Then factor in that having a guy like Roschon on the field means that you have flexibility in your play calling. You can call a run or a pass, which makes your offense less predictable. Good teams want these things. The Bears were a bad team last year. If they are going to get better, they will not put one-dimensional players on the field in their primary packages.

          How about some evidence that the Bears don't truly see Roschon as a 4th round back?

          Bears General Manager Ryan Poles told Cynthia Ferlund of NFL Media that his team ran 53 different simulations of the draft before the actual draft took place, and in every single one of those simulations, Johnson was drafted within the first 114 picks.

          "This is a young man who has some pretty special qualities just in terms of his leadership ability," Syty added. "He's someone we really feel can become a pillar in this organization for a really long time. I feel really strongly about this guy. There's a level of 'it' factor to this kid the second he walks into the room."

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            [–]EliteofEliteTalent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Really? Worse hands than Foreman? D'onta Foreman caught 5 passes last year. 5. He is not a pass-catching back. Herbert is also not a pass-catching back. Herbert caught 9 passes last year, on a team that actually passed to RBs more than you might expect. These are not pass-catching backs.

            [–]hugh_h0ney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Love Roschon and think he can be that guy. That being said I feel like people disrespect Khalil Herbert and what he’s done with his opportunities. I think it’s most likely a committee and possibly a nightmare from a fantasy perspective but I think there is a greater chance of Khalil just running with the job than Roschon coming in and replacing two vets his rookie year.

            [–]Sufficient-Tourist45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I’ve got him targeted at 2.06 for my upcoming draft. However, I feel Tank Bigsby will also be there and I’m in a huge dilemma on who to take. I know Bigsby has the DC but in reality he was taken 1 round ahead of RJ

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I had the 2.6 and 2.10 this year. I bought the 2.7 with my 2.10 and 3.10 (my last pick of this draft) to move up and draft Kendre Miller and followed by Tank Bigsby.

            RoJohn, Spears, and Chase Brown were all there which made it very difficult. After tons of research I concluded that despite RoJohn being the RB selection by a new regime, he would compete heavily with Fields RPOs/Herbert and he never had the college production of a true workhorse. Not to the likes of Tank or Miller, who was a "my guy" for me this draft. Rojohn went 2.9 as the next RB off the board.

            [–]Ego_Orb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I got him at 2.02 (10 man 2QB). It was a slight reach but I didn't have another pick until 3.05, but I strongly believe in him AND I drafted Khalil Herbert so it makes sense to get his handcuff. I think he ends up filling the David Montgomery role well.

            [–]HotDoggityDig13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Depends what you mean by 'that guy'.

            Yes, he's going to get some volume at a position notorious for injuries. Yes, he should get some goal line opportunities.

            But there's not a big ceiling there and I wouldn't bank on insane pass catching numbers. He seems like a Jamaal williams type, which is very useful in dynasty, but he ain't winning leagues.

            [–]dracutden2 Titans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Personally not on my draft wishlist, he’s got some decent comps in his range of outcomes…

            Dameon Pierce, Hassan Haskins, Lamical Perine, Mike Davis, Marcus Lattimore

            So that being said I just don’t believe he will have a long starter/lead back career If you’re contending and grab him at the middle of the 3rd and hope he’s the lead for at least a year or 2

            [–]PistolPeteTrollovich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Got him 3.02, I’m high on Roschon

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

            I think he’s going to be great in real life but not a very good fantasy player. Fields is RB1, Herbert is going to get his touches, it just doesn’t leave enough work for him to be a difference maker from a fantasy perspective even if he is stellar when he has the ball

            [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

            Fields is not a running back 🤦‍♂️

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

            Correct, still Chicago’s RB1 however

            [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

            Again false. He did not have that many designed runs. Most of his yards were off scrambles. The coaching staff do not want to run him much at all. Now that he has a much better line and better weapons, his production running the ball will be much lower.

            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

            Obviously you like Rochon, that’s great. I think he’s a great football player. Not convinced he’ll be a difference maker on a fantasy squad but we’ll see I guess. Not sure if you watch games or just look at stats but I think if you watch the bears you’d agree with me

            [–]Judge-Open Bears[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            I live in chicago so Im at all the games. Fields is not rb1 and the staff doesn’t view him as that. This isn’t about rochon. This rb1 fields narrative is lazy. Man called me a box stat merchant I’m 💀😭

            [–]kamakazi339 Garrett Wilson is the chosen one 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            He's not gotta supplant Herbert so I guess if he falls late then go for it.

            [–]AchroMac Patriots 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Gunna be used like a traditional full back

            [–]jgebo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Got him at 3.04 haha thank youuu

            [–]BidoofTheGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I just got him 169th overall in a startup. Steal or nah?

            [–]KDDynasty15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Grabbed him at 2.08 in my 10 team 1 QB draft. I don’t love him as a prospect, but felt it was pretty good value there. Picked him over a few WRs like Downs and Tillman.