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[–]liarandathief 15.3k points15.3k points  (617 children)

I'm not positive, but I believe this is Russian artist Eugene Stepanovich Kobytev. He was in a Nazi POW camp.

[–]SwingingSalmon 12.2k points12.2k points  (443 children)

So basically 4 years of stress, sleeplessness, malnutrition, etc

[–]IDoThingsOnWhims 12.9k points12.9k points 22 (318 children)

Damn he should have gotten a graduate degree afterwards

[–]seeafish 2816 points2817 points  (92 children)

Damn that's good. Super dark, but damn good.

[–]Fgoat 1085 points1086 points  (86 children)

so what your saying is Willem Dafoe has been in 40 years of war?

[–]huitlacoche 1849 points1850 points 2 (45 children)

Yeah believe it or not, at one time he was actually Willem Dafriend

[–]Commentariot 476 points477 points  (27 children)

You son of a bitch.

[–]Periwynkle 217 points218 points  (14 children)

You killed my father, prepare to die.

[–]jetmover78 51 points52 points  (3 children)

If he had a great friend would he be Willem Dabro

[–]_fmalek 139 points140 points  (20 children)

or a 40 year phd program.

[–]sjmilty 198 points199 points  (12 children)

He is a bit of a scientist himself, after all

[–]Ka_blam 22 points23 points  (3 children)

or working with students for 40 years.

[–]looneygoogoo 44 points45 points  (5 children)

Willem Dafoe in Boon Dock Saints... Forever burned in my mind. Nice legs though.

[–]Futuramah 134 points135 points  (118 children)

If he takes a loan, that would be another 20 years of stress, sleeplessness, malnutrition, etc.

[–]theguyfromtheweb7 40 points41 points  (0 children)

20 years is pretty optimistic of you

[–]the_friendly_one 94 points95 points  (112 children)

Maybe he should pick up a second job or drive for Uber. There are ways to make money. Such a lazy generation! /s

[–]Nollie_flip 183 points184 points  (99 children)

Goddamnit I'm so sick of this shit from my parents. I started looking at buying a house not too long ago and quickly found out I do not qualify for a loan big enough for anything even remotely close to my area. I already feel overworked at a salaried position where I spend over 50 hours on most weeks, but my stepmom's recommendation was to get a night job. Like sorry that working 15 to 16 hours a day doesn't sound like a very good time, especially when I'm already prone to bouts of depression and anxiety. Her response to my disdain at her proposition is that my generation is lazy or we must not want it that bad. A society where someone has to do nothing with their life besides work is not a society I want anything to do with.

[–]LemursOnIce 87 points88 points  (33 children)

Sometimes it seems like the older generation looks down on us for wanting to put our mental health ahead of working a lot. My parents told me to get some kind of weekend job because i dont make a whole lot in my during the week job. No way I'm going to sacrifice my sanity and free, alone time like that.

[–]nom-nom-nom-de-plumb 72 points73 points  (22 children)

They do, but that's because they're basing their view on nostalgia and an unchanging view of the world. A friends father made 1500 a month and can't understand why his son is struggling making 2000 a month. Forgetting that he made that 1500 in the 1960's with a high school diploma. A quick zap the the old inflation-caluclator says that's like making 12k+ per month now.

[–]mostoriginalusername 24 points25 points  (2 children)

And he could use that 1500 as the down payment on a house, or buy a new car outright, or cover a whole year or even four year degree in college.

[–]SodaCanBob 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Or buy a lot of pizzas. Really, there's no wrong choice.

[–]McMarbles 67 points68 points  (32 children)

Not to mention they never had to work 16hr days 6 days a week to get their first house. Not even close.

Or their first car.

Or their first year of college.

Basically everything they had came with proportionally less work and required capital. And yes, inflation included.

I love my parents and hope they enjoy retirement, but fuck. They have no idea.

[–]teebob21 23 points24 points  (25 children)

One of the hidden joys of living in a rural-ish area is that the massive "cost of a given lifestyle" inflation is nowhere as bad as it has been in urban hotspots.

Two employed people looking for a starter home can generally find one in their price range. "Starter" (3 BR/2BA or smaller) homes are selling in my area for about $125-$150/sq ft, so a 1,000 sq ft older home with a decent yard will be in the ball park of $150k. That's within the realm of possible for a household with $50k combined income and decent credit.

[–]qwerty12qwerty 61 points62 points  (8 children)

He should walk right into Ubers office and hand them his resume, ask to speak to the owner

[–]Waffle_bastard 33 points34 points  (3 children)

And offer to sweep their floors for free for a month to show what a hard worker he is.

That’s moxie. Stuff like that really polishes my boot straps.

[–]Johnny_Mc2 32 points33 points  (0 children)

call them so they know he’s a go-getter. that’ll set him apart from everyone else for sure

[–]AlphApe 44 points45 points  (2 children)

Kept his hair though

[–]pbasch 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Was going to say the same thing. Damn good head of hair.

[–]bernieeata 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Not to mention emotional/mental trauma of death & war in itself, he almost looks lifeless

[–]Korkack 22 points23 points  (1 child)

His eyes look animalistic and vacant. I'm thinking major PTSD happening here. Hope he healed.

[–]drew_draw 129 points130 points  (28 children)

If that's accurate he didn't look so bad then. Olsen twin look worse probably in the same time span.

[–]Kaellpae 67 points68 points  (13 children)

It's just the one twin, innit?

[–]KaoticAsylim 166 points167 points  (11 children)

One twin moving back and forth very quickly to create the illusion of two, correct.

[–]Bals2oo8 24 points25 points  (4 children)

Correct. One is just a time remnant that will probably become Savitar within the next 10 years.

[–]Juicebox-fresh 29 points30 points  (2 children)

The one olson universe theory has divided the scientific community for years

[–]Errohneos 12 points13 points  (10 children)

Doesn't she have some medical issue?

[–]ThymeJalopy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Vibrating at that high of a frequency in two directions takes a massive toll.

[–]EarthDoomProphecy 658 points659 points  (42 children)

My grandfather was in a Nazi POW camp for years ( actually helped dig the tunnels for the great escape ). Though he lived into his 80s, the physical and psychological effects were with him his entire life. This picture really drives home what that experience must have been like.

[–]Malthus1 301 points302 points  (12 children)


In a related note, I was once taking a shortcut through a graveyard a couple of blocks from my house, when I came across the gravestone of “Wally” Floody, the engineer of the tunnels for the Great Escape.

Here’s a link to the pic:


No doubt he knew your grandfather!

[–]EarthDoomProphecy 79 points80 points  (1 child)

Wow, that’s cool. I bet he did. Thanks for sharing that.

[–]Paublo1 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Small world

[–]merlinou 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Same for my grandfather. He was captured in 1940 in Belgium and spent over 3 years in a POW camp in Germany. He was sent home officially to die but in reality the doctor of the camp thought that my grand father looked like his own son. He almost died of malnutrition and disease. Luckily, living in a farm helps to get more food than the average person so he got back in shape pretty quickly. He died of lung cancer in the eighties.

I remember his picture before going to fight but none soon after he returned...

[–]qarton 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I dare you not to whistle the tune.

[–]marsinfurs 39 points40 points  (7 children)

Reminds of the kid from Come and See

[–]EquinoxHope9 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I was gonna say.

I just got my 4k remaster, I need to watch it.

[–]starslab 176 points177 points  (61 children)

If he was a Russian in a Nazi POW camp he was lucky to have survived. The Nazis were... unkind to captured Soviets.

[–]Mazius 74 points75 points  (1 child)

His 1st POW camp was Khorol's Pit. Literally - a clay pit with barbed wire and watchtowers around it. POWs were fed by rotten bread on a good day. I remember diaries of some German high-ranking officer, who spent a night in a town nearby and he couldn't really get any sleep. It was December and he was constantly hearing weird distant howl. Soviet POWs were howling while slowly dying in this POW "camp". Mortality rate was through the roof. 40,000 Soviet POWs died there in 1941-1942.

Kobytev wrote a book about this place and its full of his own illustrations.

[–]FustianRiddle 147 points148 points  (49 children)

They seemed unkind to most people they captured

Edit to add because it seems neccessary to state at this point:

I was making a tongue-in-cheek comment to how they murdered 6 million Jewish people regardless of where they were from.

[–]VRichardsen 120 points121 points  (8 children)

If you were from the West, you had it relatively decent. You might do some forced labour, like the French, but it was nothing compared to the horror of being a Soviet prisoner in German hands. Around one in three died in captivity.

[–]Domiscutis 47 points48 points  (3 children)

It’s even higher than that, iirc around 55% of Soviet PoWs died in German captivity.

[–]TerrorSuspect 100 points101 points  (24 children)

There was a special hatred between the Soviets and the Germans though. Significantly worse than the Western front.

[–]Kcajkcaj99 22 points23 points  (3 children)

They wanted to eradicate the Slavs while they only wanted to dominate the French and English. As such, they were a lot worse to the Soviet prisoners they captured. On the western front, you’d go to a labor camp, on the eastern front, you’d go to a death camp.

[–]terminbee 46 points47 points  (5 children)

I'm starting to get the feeling the Nazis weren't kind people.

[–]LtCmdrData 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Not really. Nazis considered west Europeans their equals or near equals. Slavs were considered inferior race. Nazi plans for Europe was annihilation of the Roma, Jews and the Slavs who were considered "racially inferior" and colonization of the central and Eastern Europe by Germans.

[–]DrozdMensch 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It's him

[–]i_broke_wahoos_leg 5471 points5472 points  (268 children)

Was he in a POW camp for a period or fighting the whole time? Poor bloke looks 30 years older and deeply haunted.

[–]ObedientProle 6020 points6021 points  (218 children)

The first one was taken in 2016 and the second one was taken in 2020.

[–]khizoa 1385 points1386 points  (148 children)

"I like people who weren't captured"

[–]rp_361 456 points457 points  (138 children)

and he's somehow the veterans president

[–]ADHDSquirrel007 206 points207 points  (122 children)

Not for much longer, him doing nothing about Putin setting bounties on our troops is going to fuck him over, hard.

[–]Alex_Duos 407 points408 points  (42 children)

You'd think so, but ever since he mocked a disabled person every day has been a "surely, this will be it," moment.

[–]MikeyNg 159 points160 points  (17 children)

or you know - disrespecting a Gold Star family

[–]_Quetzalcoatlus_ 119 points120 points  (8 children)

The Khan family is Muslim, so of course his base couldn't care less about Trump disrespecting them.

[–]turntabletennis 88 points89 points  (6 children)

I hate how valid and overlooked this is. Fuck Trump, but also his supporters

[–]zerbeySurvey 2016 59 points60 points  (47 children)

Honestly, at this point there appears to be nothing that will turn his most ardent supporters against him. I figured the economy collapsing in March would be the final nail in the coffin but nope.

[–]ADHDSquirrel007 33 points34 points  (36 children)

You’re never gonna turn his craziest supporters

But there are a hell of a lot of people that were on the fence about him and also those that didn’t vote last election.

He has the vocal minority, we will have the silent majority this fall

[–]scarredMontana 54 points55 points  (34 children)

He has the vocal minority, we will have the silent majority this fall

This whole campaign feels a lot like 2016. Trump, the underdog, with everyone saying that his time is up. Everyone super confident that he's not going to win. Reddit's one big echo chamber screaming Trump's demise. Being raised in the South, and seeing a lot of "moderate" families support Trump, I honestly believe Trump can take his willy out, shoot someone and scream white-power, and people will still bend-over backwards for him.

[–]blackrabbitkun 25 points26 points  (15 children)

You're not wrong. I live in Florida and can confirm there's a lot of stupid down here.

[–]chilebuzz 35 points36 points  (5 children)

It's amazing that this didn't get more outcry than it did. He shit on American POWs for God's sake.

[–]ernstpw 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Classic Republican move that their flag waving base doesn't seem to care about. Anyone else remember John Kerry? Actual 3x purple heart, silver star, bronze star, etc... Republicans ran a made up smear campaign against him. Ended up being a big reason he lost against this rich kid who got hidden away in the guard during Vietnam.

[–]tmassofficial 93 points94 points  (8 children)

summer 2016 was pokemon go. Peek humanity. The literal peek.

[–]Jamaican_Dynamite 53 points54 points  (4 children)


Yeah a peek at all the bullshit on the horizon.

[–]HomeGrownCoffee 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Then the post lied. 2016 - 2020 has been at least 34 years. Hell, May 2020 alone was 7 years long.

[–]nirbot0213 153 points154 points  (18 children)

even just typical english soldiers in WWI didn’t get nearly enough food to eat, plus living in mucky trenches and sleeping to the sound of artillery shelling. picture quality looks like it would be more fitting for WWII but if he was a german soldier they had pretty bad nutrition too, especially towards the end of the war.

[–]i_broke_wahoos_leg 68 points69 points  (13 children)

Yeah, that's a good point. I imagine a lot of the Soviet soldiers were struggling to meet their nutritional requirements as well.

On a slightly related note my Grandfather fought in the pacific theatre for Australia and he told me stories of the malnutrition the Japanese faced. He said that once a Japanese soldier actually sought out allied soldiers to surrender himself (very rare for those blokes) because his fellow soldiers had attacked him. They had cut off his bottom to eat because they were starving. I'm not sure if he actually witnessed it or it's just something he heard (he loved a story) but I remember him telling it a bunch of times.

[–]RedditVince 41 points42 points  (6 children)

There are many true stories about starving solders turning themselves in as a POW, because of the better food rations and sleeping conditions. Just hoping you don't get shot, because you were born on the other side of some contrived line in the sand.

[–]i_broke_wahoos_leg 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it would have been very risky. Those men hated each other with a deep passion. I imagine it would have been an internal struggle for an allied soldier wether to accept a Japanese soldiers surrender or to open fire. Even without the hatred there was probably a lot of fear of if it being a trap.

Very sad all those men were forced to go through such things.

[–]sonia72quebec 3664 points3665 points  (254 children)

When my father-in-law came back from WWII his Mother didn't recognized him.

[–]Louise12 1136 points1137 points  (166 children)

Wow. That sentence is a story in itself. What country did he fight for? Any specifics on what his deployment looked like?

[–]sonia72quebec 1655 points1656 points  (163 children)

He was in the Canadian army. He was a lumberjack and he volunteer because he hated the area where he had to cut the trees. He said to himself "Can't be worst than that". It was.

He was a sniper ( I saw the pics). He went all over Europe and did the Sicily campaign. The Army send him home for "exhaustion".

[–]fr33andcl34r 1189 points1190 points  (129 children)

Ah, yes. "Battle fatigue". It's what PTSD was called before PTSD was a thing term.

Edit: a word.

[–]AbjectStress 419 points420 points  (57 children)

Patton was an absolute bastard towards soldiers suffering from PTSD.


He entered a field hospital where a soldier had been removed from duty due to their severe mental health issues and proceded to slap them across the face and kick them out whilst denying the reality of shell shock, claiming that the condition was "an invention of the Jews."

The soldier was later discovered he had a temperature of 102.2 °F (39.0 °C);[14] and was diagnosed with malarial parasites.

On a second occasion Patton even came close to shooting a fellow soldier and four year veteran dead.

I'll just transcribe it as its written.

Private Paul G. Bennett, 21, of C Battery, U.S. 17th Field Artillery Regiment, was a four-year veteran of the U.S. Army, and had served in the division since March 1943. Records show he had no medical history until 6 August 1943, when a friend was wounded in combat. According to a report, he "could not sleep and was nervous."[12] Bennett was brought to the 93rd Evacuation Hospital. In addition to having a fever, he exhibited symptoms of dehydration, including fatigue, confusion, and listlessness. His request to return to his unit was turned down by medical officers.[

On 10 August, Patton entered the receiving tent of the hospital, speaking to the injured there. Patton approached Bennett, who was huddled and shivering, and asked what the trouble was. "It's my nerves," Bennett responded. "I can't stand the shelling anymore."[12] Patton reportedly became enraged at him, slapping him across the face. He began yelling: "Your nerves, hell, you are just a goddamned coward. Shut up that goddamned crying. I won't have these brave men who have been shot at seeing this yellow bastard sitting here crying."[12] Patton then reportedly slapped Bennett again, knocking his helmet liner off, and ordered the receiving officer, Major Charles B. Etter,[23] not to admit him.[12] Patton then threatened Bennett, "You're going back to the front lines and you may get shot and killed, but you're going to fight. If you don't, I'll stand you up against a wall and have a firing squad kill you on purpose. In fact, I ought to shoot you myself, you goddamned whimpering coward."[24] Upon saying this, Patton pulled out his pistol threateningly, prompting the hospital's commander, Colonel Donald E. Currier, to physically separate the two. Patton left the tent, yelling to medical officers to send Bennett back to the front lines.[24]

As he toured the remainder of the hospital, Patton continued discussing Bennett's condition with Currier. Patton stated, "I can't help it, it makes my blood boil to think of a yellow bastard being babied,"[24] and "I won't have those cowardly bastards hanging around our hospitals. We'll probably have to shoot them some time anyway, or we'll raise a breed of morons."[24]

Ironically doctors who witnessed these incidents would later remark that Patton was most likely suffering from PTSD himself.

[–]Jam_E_Dodger 128 points129 points  (6 children)

Grandpa was at the Normandy invasion. I remember him saying that he met Gen. Patton, and that he was a real dick. I also remember him talking about how much he respected him. Maybe he was both a bastard, and I good general.

I also remember him talking about pissing himself to (unintentionally) unfreeze himself from the ground so he didn't get shot...

WWII was a very different time.

"I made some really good friends... And then they were killed. So I made some other friends. They died too. After that I quit making new friends." -- John "Shorty" Mason

[–]SolenoidsOverGears 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My grandpa was in Normandy too! Missed the D-day medal by 8 minutes or something ridiculous. He ended up in the Ardennes forest. He said Ardennes (battle of the bulge) was the coldest he had been in his whole life. Took a sniper round there and ended up getting sent home with a purple heart.

But yeah, can confirm Grandpa Gears thought Patton was a huge prick too. Called him "that glory hungry son of a bitch." Apparently Patton showed up to one of the hospitals in Texas where grandpa was. He never said what exactly happened, but I never heard grandpa refer to general Patton by name or rank. Neither did my dad.

[–]almo2001 55 points56 points  (8 children)

Woa that's almost word-for-word in the movie.

[–]Mitche420 17 points18 points  (7 children)

What's the movie? As I read it I was literally thinking if a movie about him used this as a scene and transcribed it as Patton did that his reputation would be destroyed

[–]Awesome_as_FAIZ 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Eisenhower was not happy about it:

I clearly understand that firm and drastic measures are at times necessary in order to secure the desired objectives. But this does not excuse brutality, abuse of the sick, nor exhibition of uncontrollable temper in front of subordinates. ... I feel that the personal services you have rendered the United States and the Allied cause during the past weeks are of incalculable value; but nevertheless if there is a very considerable element of truth in the allegations accompanying this letter, I must so seriously question your good judgment and your self-discipline as to raise serious doubts in my mind as to your future usefulness.

— Eisenhower's letter to Patton, dated 17 August 1943

He forced Patton to personally apologize to the two soldiers he slapped and Patton didn't command any forces for almost a year afterward.

[–]HaroldGodwin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Now that is how a real leader and commander acts.

[–]bettareckognize 28 points29 points  (4 children)

He did profess to regret the incident later in life.

[–]AbheekG 314 points315 points  (64 children)

Shellshock, actually

[–]anubysmal 350 points351 points  (23 children)

you are both right, the name has been changed many times over the years

[–]LancasterBombs101 137 points138 points  (15 children)

Someone get George Carlin

[–]Dense-Button 42 points43 points  (9 children)

This picture sums up his argument of that bit perfectly. Shell shock perfectly describes the horror in his eyes in a way that PTSD doesn't even begin to come close.

[–]SpaceShipRat 19 points20 points  (5 children)

not really, they just thought it was the physical shockwave of the bombs shaking up people's brains.

[–]Dense-Button 40 points41 points  (3 children)

I mean from a technical/academic point of view PTSD is more accurate. But shell shock is more "emotionally honest". When you hear PTSD, it doesn't convey the horror of the condition with as much weight. You know what I mean?

I wouldn't expect a medical journal refer to it as shell shock and I wouldn't expect a poem to say PTSD.

[–]dankpoots 78 points79 points  (3 children)

The person you replied to was correct. "Battle fatigue" was the WWII-era term for what is today called PTSD. "Shell shock" was the term for the same condition during and after WWI.

[–]intergalactictrash 66 points67 points  (24 children)

Not so fun fact: in WWI, soldiers who had visibly severe “shellshock” would be tied to a board in an upright standing position just in front of the trenches while enemy shells crashed around them.

This was intended to ‘make them more brave’.

EDIT: the sounds of WWI is the true definition of ‘hell on earth’

[–]ZgylthZ 92 points93 points  (12 children)

This is why you never let the elites trick you into supporting war of any kind.

[–]h4ll0br3 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Interesting how you are blamed for not being “patriotic” while they are sitting on a save distance sipping ice tea

[–]UncleBeaker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Also "soldier's heart" during the Civil War.

[–]Icsto 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Shell shock was ww1, they called it battle fatigue in ww2.

[–]Captain_Hampockets 80 points81 points  (24 children)

He was a lumberjack

Was he OK?

[–]sonia72quebec 75 points76 points  (17 children)

After the War? I think he fought the Korean War. He was a driver in the Army in his later years and also went back to cutting trees until he had an accident (almost lost a leg). Which is kind of ironic when you think that he fought all over Europe and didn't get a scratch.

[–]scarecrowlegion 49 points50 points  (8 children)

I'm sure the poster was referring to a Monty Python skit, but thanks for the extra info

[–]sonia72quebec 17 points18 points  (7 children)

English is not my first language so sometimes I get lost in translation :)

[–]Fillimilli 111 points112 points  (51 children)

A man I once considered like a brother to me came back with a casual little anecdote about how he had accidentally killed a three year old with his tank. The way he told it, you’d have thought it was just a humorous story about his summer abroad. He was smiling as he told it. I’ve never been able to look at him the same.

[–]morreo 28 points29 points  (6 children)

Had the same experience with the older brother of my friend. Talked about how a (forgot the age but I think it was 8) child ran towards a grenade he just threw in Iraq and pretty much exactly what you think happened happened. He was chuckling through the story and just saying he was a stupid kid.

It's easy to say hes a terrible compassionless guy but hes not like that. I think hes just protecting his own psyche by making it a "fun" story instead of the horrific tragedy it actually is

[–]sonia72quebec 105 points106 points  (38 children)

People process tragedies in curious ways sometimes.

[–]Fillimilli 113 points114 points  (37 children)

“We just tossed it in the back and took it to the village nearby to find the parents so we could give them some money.”

That’s the way he spoke about the child he’d killed. The child who was roughly the same age as his own daughter at the time. I grew up with this man. Lived next door to him my whole childhood. He lived with my family for a while. None of us knew how to handle what became of him.

[–]writtenbyrabbits_ 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The way most people survive combat is by not viewing the enemy, or anyone related to the enemy, as fully human.

[–]theNextVilliage 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I have PTSD but not from combat. I do this kind of thing a lot, where I say things that are socially inappropriate and shocking or make flippant statement or tell blunt, gritty stories about my experiences. It's very hard for people to understand that you don't react how you think you would to trauma, and when you've processed and over-processes and relived traumas so many times.

Please do NOT think that this means that your friend is not haunted by their memories. In all likelihood the pain is sharper and realer than you could ever imagine.

People with PTSD can make flippant comments about their traumas, use dark humor or speak dismissively about what they've experienced. Then they go home and collapse on the ground and just scream into the dark for hours reliving the horrors as if it were happening right now.

[–]hostile65 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Sometimes you just can't take bad things as serious as they are or you shutdown mentally and fail to function. I've had to locate mangled bodies of kids flung from cars. You get a dark sense of humour, and unless you've dealt with it, it's hard to understand how to be so nonchalant.

Also, in a lot of parts of the world, cash solves so much it's scary. Chances are there wasn't a lot to stop the kid from dying. It sucks but it happens.

[–]sonia72quebec 37 points38 points  (12 children)

He's probably a psychological time bomb.

[–]HotF22InUrArea 16 points17 points  (4 children)

It always blows my mind that the soldiers in WW1 and WW2 were away from home for years. When I think about it in that perspective it really fucks me up

[–]sonia72quebec 17 points18 points  (2 children)

They had it really rough. Then they were told that time will help them forget so they didn't talk about their experiences. Some, like my Uncle, turned to alcool. Others died in "accidents".

[–]johnnymaryseed 68 points69 points  (12 children)

Shit, my mother barely recognized me after 3 months of boot camp. Couldn’t imagine what he went through.

[–]sonia72quebec 56 points57 points  (11 children)

He went to therapy when he was in his 70's but sadly developed dementia in his 80's. He's dead now.

[–]johnnymaryseed 25 points26 points  (10 children)

Dementia is probably one of the worst things to watch someone to through. Hope he’s resting easy.

[–]sonia72quebec 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I wasn't around when he died but I sincerely hope he didn't suffer. He was a strong quiet Man with giant hands.

[–]riv92 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I asked my dad what his mom said when he walked through the kitchen door after he got home from his USN service in WWII. She said, “Leonhard, you’re so skinny!” He was on a PT boat in the S Pacific.

[–]Bryaxis 1499 points1500 points  (70 children)

Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.

Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?

Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?

Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.

Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them — little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

[–]wamax76 234 points235 points  (24 children)

Aaaah, hawkeye...always the smartest

[–]Girl_with_the_Curl 156 points157 points  (38 children)

This is the second time today MASH has come up on Reddit. Maybe the universe is telling me to finally sit down and watch it.

[–]MrDatasDoingus 64 points65 points  (17 children)

If you haven't seen it, it's phenomenally funny, sad, cartoonish, realistic, and utterly full of intelligent commentary. It's easily the one of the best fictional television shows ever made. It's certainly the best I've ever seen.

It is worth a rewatch if you've seen it a hundred times before. I've never regretted turning it on.

There's only one negative comment from me. The ending. It has some scenes that were a bit too hard to watch. I'm not an easily emotionally impacted guy, but I am absolutely haunted by something in it.

[–]amriknsci 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I came across the last episode by chance and watched it unspoiled. I was... unprepared.

[–]WorkWork 10 points11 points  (3 children)

For a nearly 50 yo show it holds up incredibly well.

[–]BestUsernameLeft 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's an 8.4 on IMDB, 93% on the TomatoMeter, and you'll find it high on the list of most any "best TV shows of all time" list.

I grew up watching MASH and it's one of a small handful of shows from my youth that I still enjoy and has stood the test of time.

[–]spaceflip 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I recognized the quote but forgot it was MASH, so for a good minute there I was struggling to remember when the avenger Hawkeye said this.

[–]platoprime 11 points12 points  (0 children)

When did Hawkeye say that? During Endgame?


[–]StoneTile 938 points939 points  (19 children)

That is the thousand yard stare right there

[–]IkepaI 298 points299 points  (18 children)

my neighbor spent 70+ days in a foxhole during '99s bombing. Took him a decade to get fit again and still only way he can sleep is with a gun under he's pillow.

[–]civodar 87 points88 points  (8 children)

Where was he? Yugoslavia?

[–]Ski7les420 86 points87 points  (4 children)

yaaaaaaa buddy. i have friends from former yugoslav. theyre having bad nights with this lockdown bullshit.

[–]civodar 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Ayyy I was born there, we left days before the bombing and I was too young to remember any of it.

[–]veemonster 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Grew up there, left in 95 as a refugee and that was more than enough to fuck my shit up in terms of trauma, and I barely experienced any of the really messed up shit. Now I live in a different country, near an army base and a hospital helipad and the camouflaged military vehicles and helicopter noise still sets me off. The Covid panic buying and shortages too, it’s like I’m back in the queues for humanitarian aid again, waiting for my bag of flour, bag of rice, milk powder and some clean skin army ration feta cheese. I can’t even imagine what it was like in the actual midst of it.

[–]Ski7les420 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Close friend of mine left in 93’. I had family there who moved else where also i had family in Romania, we all watched in horror, include my grandparents who never thought they would see conflict after WW2 again. Its a damn shame no one in the west knows how damaging both conflicts were in the grand scheme of things....

[–]IkepaI 12 points13 points  (2 children)

yeah, he was defending some shitty hill where they would get bombed during daytime and had to fight almost knife range every night.

[–]VRichardsen 43 points44 points  (8 children)

Took him a decade to get fit again and still only way he can sleep is with a gun under he's pillow.

I have heard a story from a veteran of North African campaign. He couldn't sleep if he didn't have several cans full of water under his bed.

[–]Scoopdoopdoop 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Makes sense, fuck. war is so horrible

[–]LuiTurbo 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Why cans of water? (If you know)

[–]rgrwillis 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Likely because that was a perpetual concern, you burn through so much water just existing in those temperatures. The threat of death coming from lack of water was probably extremely real for him.

[–]Pliskkenn_D 369 points370 points  (36 children)

Reminds me of the film Come And See

[–]Porrick 207 points208 points  (18 children)

A trailer

A still

One of the best war films ever made, no doubt about it. A rare counterexample to Truffaut's quote about how it is impossible to make an anti-war film.

[–]deceitfuleggs 54 points55 points  (1 child)

Grave of the Fireflies is another

[–]thirstyross 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To this day one of the most depressing movies I've ever subjected myself to. It's beautiful, if haunting.

[–]blucthulhu 39 points40 points  (2 children)

First thing that came to my mind, as well.

[–]HarryBall 27 points28 points  (4 children)

I downloaded Come and See me a few hours ago. I'll wait till tomorrow morning to watch it. No fucking way I'm sticking it on last thing tonight.

[–]weird_robot_ 395 points396 points  (12 children)

That's terrifying.

[–]Christ_on_a_Crakker 490 points491 points  (6 children)

“So this is it. Liberation. It’s come. I am cold. The trembling in my stomach . . . Too much air . . . it’s too light. I am very tired. A middle-aged German woman approaches me. “We didn’t know anything. We had no idea. You must believe me. Did you have to work hard also?” “Yes,” I whisper. “At your age, it must’ve been difficult.” At my age. What does she mean? “We didn’t get enough to eat. Because of starvation. Not because of my age.” “I meant, it must have been harder for the older people.” For older people? “How old do you think I am?” She looks at me uncertainly. “Sixty? Sixty-two?” “Sixty? I am fourteen. Fourteen years old.” She gives a little shriek and makes the sign of the cross. In horror and disbelief she walks away, and joins the crowd of German civilians near the station house. So this is liberation. It’s come. I am fourteen years old, and I have lived a thousand years.”

From the book entitled “I Have Lived a Thousand Years.”

[–]Requiell 101 points102 points  (0 children)

Great quote. Just this quote shows more of the horrors of war then school documentaries and dwath numbers ever could for me.

[–]Murderyoga 133 points134 points  (24 children)

GIS doesn't give much but he appears to be an artist named Yevgeny Kobytev that spent time in a pow camp.

[–]_CMDR_ 44 points45 points  (23 children)

Germans weren’t well known for treating Soviet prisoners well, makes sense.

[–]MBRDASF 33 points34 points  (1 child)

That’s an understatement if I’ve ever heard one

[–]forgotmyusername2x 830 points831 points  (69 children)

No sleep, poor nutrition, cigarettes, and death.

[–]LetsRunTrain 436 points437 points  (52 children)

Cigarettes do plenty of harm, but let’s not attribute Nazi war crimes to them as well.

[–]chestnutriceee 104 points105 points  (43 children)

Still, back then basically everyone was smoking, and in war, probably even more so

[–]LetsRunTrain 41 points42 points  (4 children)

If you had to go through Nazi prison camp you’d smoke too. In all seriousness though, I wonder if Nazi POWs even had access to cigarettes. Why would the Nazis bother to give them any, realistically?

[–]cookwarestoned 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Highly doubtful, but prior to capture they were supplied as ration

[–]NotTheFuture 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The Four Basic Food Groups

[–]Niftee 112 points113 points  (4 children)

As a vet, and after working in vet counseling office for over a year- I can say that this happens to far too many people.

[–]FN-guy 325 points326 points  (6 children)

That guy had seen some shit.....

[–]Athleco 118 points119 points  (8 children)

I don’t doubt aging was accelerated but image contrast can play a huge part in what you’re seeing here.

[–]new_brassica 89 points90 points  (5 children)

I agree. On the left image he is softly lit from the bottom right. On the right image he is harshly lit from nearly overhead. No doubt he had some major changes, but the photography exaggerates it.

[–]_CMDR_ 83 points84 points  (4 children)

Pro photographer here, agree that the lighting makes it worse, but it is still REALLY bad.

[–]Hesthea 38 points39 points  (2 children)

The difference is haunting.

Not only he grew far older but his eyes lost the spark it had in it. No life to it whatsoever.

He even lost the small curvature of his lips. Now they are completely flat.

Even if you survive the war, you still die inside due to all the things you saw and lived through.

[–]h0m0saurus 36 points37 points  (3 children)

A little late to the party but thought I'd share what u/knuds1b had to say on a similar post. I believe everything I read on the internet and have done no empirical research to back this up but she sounds like she knows what she's talking about.
This is an amazing collage. I want to point out something that tells us a lot about his time there: brown fat. Or, that he lost nearly all of his.

If you aren't familiar -- brown fat is a very special kind of fat that we carry on us from infancy forward. It serves as our utmost reserves in case of famine. Women typically carry a bit more than men, and well-nourished babies have the most. We all carry it, whatever amount we have, in mostly similar places, especially in our faces -- the jawline, cheeks, eye sockets, neckline, and a little near the sides of the forehead and in front of the ears.

As we become adults, some of us lose a lot of our Brown fat, and some of us keep a lot of it. It's nearly gone once elderly. Your grandfather had a good bit in his mid 20s. Full cheeks, soft jawline, soft forehead, full eye sockets. He wasn't fat, either, to otherwise account for the softness. Again, Brown fat is special like that.

But the thing about Brown fat is that once it's lost, it can't really be regained. Ever. New fat will not look the same as Brown fat, either. You can become heavily overweight and the new, larger volume of fat will still not fill out the space quite like Brown fat did.

This man clearly lost the better part of his Brown fat in the camps; it likely helped him survive as he did. His face is totally different in the after pic -- his jawline is tight, his cheekbones are prominent, his eyes appear "bigger", his forehead more defined, etc...

Simply losing weight and becoming slim, does not use up Brown fat. You have to be truly starving, for a long time, to force it's use (or live to be very old). And assuming he had regained at least a little bit of weight after the camps, you can see that he still appears very gaunt due to losing all his reserves. He could gain another 30 lbs and still wouldn't have the fullness of before.

TL,DR: Brown fat helps explain, among the many other characteristics of his face and factors of camp life, his dramatically "aged" appearance -- his Brown fat reserves were reduced to that of an elderly man.

[–]nanosam 548 points549 points  (59 children)

Humans are simply not built for horrors of war. War is not meant to be endured by any person ever.

[–]Lilmaggot 222 points223 points  (9 children)

Except those who get rich off it. “War is a racket.” - Smedley Butler, US Marine Corps Major General

[–]The_Queef_of_England 53 points54 points  (4 children)

Yeah, just look at how much money is in the war machine. People are just fodder to the rich weapons dealers and war profiteers. It's fucking bullshit but no one cares.

[–]Azazir 37 points38 points  (1 child)

but those who get rich from war don't pariticipate in it... they're sitting in their homes, drinking wine,smoking cigar or w.e. after yelling at some guys to attack a nation, and literally kill thousands of people.

[–]Captain_Hampockets 55 points56 points  (24 children)

Humans are simply not built for horrors of war.

I disagree. Just look at the entirety of human history. War is what we do.

[–]thefinalcountdown29 61 points62 points  (4 children)

He’s seen some savage shit.

[–]HarryBall 21 points22 points  (5 children)

This will probably get buried but My Grandfather broke out of a camp called Stallag VIIb with a Jewish commando. They travelled Europe together killing Nazis eventually joining up with the Soviets.

Their book is called "By Jeep To Freedom."

By Jeep To Freedom

[–]StopItRick 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Imaging the change in this young mans brain

[–]mananiux 132 points133 points  (32 children)

[–]vpix 240 points241 points  (21 children)

On all the shots, the photographer went for long focal length "before" and short focal length "after". Seems inappropriate to use that "trick", I don't think that was needed.

[–]Socialeprechaun 97 points98 points  (8 children)

Yeah that really defeats the entire purpose of the art piece. You could take those 3 pictures moments apart with that same method and achieve similar results. Disappointing.

[–]mickeylaspalmas 24 points25 points  (3 children)

a cynical person could argue that OP's post uses lighting in a way that definitely enhances the effect, too...

[–]jacqueslescargot 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I was wondering why some looked completely different. Couldn’t put my finger on it- thank you!

[–]dc10kenji 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If only those who start them felt the same pain.

[–]Acc_for_Minecraft 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Looks uncanny... I don't want to know what those eyes have seen. War needs to stop.

[–]TangoForce141 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Also need to throw in some malnutrition too

[–]Anon_for_porn234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Suck it up, buttercup. Gonna claim some PTSD BS? Real men shake that shit off, son.

[–]hotlavatube 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Handsome to harrowed

[–]Subziro91 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Reminds me how old a president gets after two terms

[–]parodg15 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, the stress of war. See Jimmy Stewart’s face after flying B-17s and B-29s over Europe during the war. Specially compare Jimmy Stewart in Philadelphia Story vs one of his right after the war films.

[–]Manwe-Erusson 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My great grandfather served in North Africa in tobruk. I loved learning about military history as a teen, so I looked into his service records. I was not prepared for what I found. There aren't any pictures of him in my families households, except for photos of him when he was younger, before he went to war. I learnt it was because he couldn't look himself in the face. Despite only serving for a year and a half, he looked twice his age (22). He served with his little brother in the same unit, but ultimately had to witness his brothers violent and bloody death. According to my grandfather and great aunty, he would cry and blame himself for his brothers death. There is a photograph of injured soldiers being moved after the 2nd battle of el Alamein (where his brother died, he was also injured in the battle supposedly by the same round that took his brothers life). The thousand yard stare as he looked into the lens still haunts me whenever I think about it.