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[–]Down_VoteBait 3419 points3420 points  (231 children)

He still hangs up that American flag, you can still be patriotic and call out the problems in this country

[–]SilentJoe1986 2181 points2182 points  (135 children)

I would argue it's patriotic to call out the problems in this country. How else do you acknowledge and attempt to fix the problems?

"If you don't like it then leave"

"Yeah, no. I would rather try to work towards a better country instead of burying my head up my ass and pretending everything is fine while my country burns down around me."

[–]DarehMeyod 783 points784 points  (97 children)

It’s the difference between patriotism and nationalism. True patriots can understand their country isn’t perfect and can improve. Nationalists think their country is perfect no matter what it does.

Edit: yes everyone I know this is a gross over simplification of the two. I paraphrased a comment I saw on another thread.

[–]KrazyRooster 307 points308 points  (74 children)

Americans don't even know what socialism is and now you want our people to understand that there is a difference between patriotism and nationalism??? You are asking too much of these people's very limited IQ.

[–]DomineAppleTree 77 points78 points  (21 children)

It’s their level of interest, not intelligence. Tribalism/factions goes a looonnnggg way

[–]WrongColorCollar 97 points98 points  (2 children)

This has been said a million times but for now you can also point out the fact that for the most part.. we can't leave.

No one will have us, and I don't blame 'em.

[–]Razor4884 104 points105 points  (0 children)

“I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.” -James Baldwin

[–]stav_rn 36 points37 points  (23 children)

Here's my thought though -why do you NEED to be "patriotic" to call out the problems with your country? Why do you need to keep proving your loyalty and undying love to the country to say "hey guys I think this is a problem". Doesn't that seem.....bad to you?

[–]Redeem123 10 points11 points  (15 children)

You don't need to be, but the point is that the two things can coexist. Criticizing the country's problems is not disrespectful, yet a certain group seems to think it is.

[–]KDY_ISD 14.2k points14.2k points  (565 children)

My mom lives in a deeply red neighborhood, and during Obama's first campaign, she put up a yard sign. It was stolen. She put up another sign. That was stolen, too. She put up a third sign, and stapled a note to that one that said:

"You realize that whenever you steal my sign, I have to send his campaign $20 more for another one?"

That sign stayed up. I wish we had a camera.

[–]BrosenkranzKeef 6085 points6086 points  (275 children)

“You realize that every time you steal this sign you prove that you don’t care about law or property rights and therefore you’re a lying hypocrite”

[–]muddlet 2742 points2743 points  (120 children)

or freedom of speech

[–]BrosenkranzKeef 1201 points1202 points  (97 children)

Oh they definitely don’t give a shit about that. But they love “liberty”.....freedom of speech falling under the definition of liberty, of course. But don’t tell them that, they’ll rip some stupid argument out of their ass just so they don’t have to admit they’re wrong.

[–]VaginaYEASTwithTEETH 361 points362 points  (27 children)

"I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire!"

[–]Chip-girl 86 points87 points  (37 children)

I’m convinced that their motto is “fuck you, got mine.”

[–]BrosenkranzKeef 46 points47 points  (33 children)

That’s the entire culture. They act like that in locker rooms, their sense of humor shows it, their overall lack of empathy for anyone they don’t know, talking shit behind people’s back, “just walk it off”, making fun of and teasing everybody etc etc. Needing help is seen as a weakness. These are the people who raised me so I’m very familiar with it.

[–]GrayBeard20 419 points420 points  (101 children)

While I agree, I DO see a lot of Trump signs and banners destroyed.

As someone who deeply dislikes him, I kind of appreciate it...but at the same time I still don’t think you should fuck with peoples shit.

I support freedom of speech, so I just leave the sign up and have the knowledge that I probably won’t be hanging out with that household.

[–]BrosenkranzKeef 255 points256 points  (26 children)

Good. This is how you respect beliefs you don’t agree with.

[–]adventurelinds 70 points71 points  (9 children)

I think what you're supposed to do is build a bigger sign for your guy

[–]A_Blunt_Object 19 points20 points  (5 children)

As an Aussie it's so fucking weird seeing people have political signs in their front yards and shit on here

[–]SamosetMatt 20 points21 points  (3 children)

There’s a house a few minutes away from me with like 3-5 Trump flags. “TRUMP 2020” spelled out with Christmas lights on their chain link fence, it looks like a damn cult compound or some shit.

[–]Lobanium 676 points677 points  (37 children)

So she put up a third sign. That burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp. But the forth one stayed up.

[–]KDY_ISD 194 points195 points  (27 children)

Are you ... are you saying my mother has big tits?

[–]Lobanium 199 points200 points  (26 children)

Huge ....... tracts of land.

[–]KDY_ISD 51 points52 points  (19 children)

If you suggest that she's got a rabbit that's dynamite, I'm going to have to ask you to quit going through bedside tables in other people's houses

[–]F117Landers 40 points41 points  (17 children)

I came in here for an argument!

[–]KDY_ISD 32 points33 points  (13 children)

Oh! Oh, I'm sorry! This is abuse!

And really, do any two comments more accurately sum up Reddit? lol

[–]F117Landers 37 points38 points  (9 children)

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Also...
 
Help help; I'm being repressed!

[–]JoeFelice 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

[–]Ghede 126 points127 points  (6 children)

I like to imagine the disgruntled neighbor then went on a McCain sign stealing spree to increase campaign contributions, and that the owners of those signs were not as willing to keep buying new ones with replacements so close to home. So they stole other signs themselves, heck why not get two while they were at it, just in case. So every single McCain sign that you saw after the first few weeks was actually stolen multiple times.

[–]lilpimpin 23.3k points23.4k points  (2008 children)

It’s even more insane that a pandemic has become political

[–]SatansMoltenSemen 10.5k points10.5k points  (1535 children)

I like the train of thought that the entire thing is a Democratic hoax, because that means every single country on Earth is going along with an American political parties hoax

Edit ; You can all stop saying “tRuMp NeVeR sAiD tHaT”, because I never said he did, I never even mentioned Agent Orange in this reply lmao

[–]Musehobo 5167 points5168 points  (1183 children)

My republican mother has completely jumped ship and now realizes he’s a narcissistic clown because of this COVID stuff. I wish she would have realized that, I don’t know 5 years ago, when all his actions signaled “I’m a narcissistic clown”.

[–]dan1son 2564 points2565 points  (868 children)

That's not an uncommon story. Anyone who supported him with half an education should realize how insane this all is. He won't lose every supporter by any stretch. But I personally know people who've changed their minds as well. I know 0 that have switched to him.

[–]abcpdo 842 points843 points  (476 children)

That's the silver lining I guess. He failed to fake it till he made it (as a good president).

[–]GregorSamsaa 1013 points1014 points  (372 children)

That’s scary. Without the pandemic he absolutely had a chance to win, and even now I’m scared of people not showing up to vote like they didn’t 4yrs ago.

[–]Kraineth 821 points822 points  (205 children)

Which is precisely why you see the administration railing against mail in voting.

[–]puppet_up 558 points559 points  (184 children)

Well, except for absentee voting because every politician in Washington has to do that including Trump himself. But that's OK, though, because...

...actually, I'm still waiting for a good explanation about that one. It's literally mail-in voting!

[–]JasonDragonbourne 424 points425 points  (114 children)

The human mind is susceptible to how things are presented to it.

See Americans that like the 'Affordable Care Act', but dislike 'Obamacare'.

[–]Back_in_ 305 points306 points  (48 children)

Americans have "opiate addicts" and Canadians have "opiate victims." One word can make a hell of a difference.

[–]OldBeercan 194 points195 points  (44 children)

Or ones that hate "socialism" but live off of SSI or disability payments.

[–]BerniceMcteese 90 points91 points  (13 children)

Oh I did a whole 60 minute policy presentation on the affordable care act in 2013 in college. I started going through the ten main points with people I knew who were against obamacare and nearly every single one agreed with all ten main points of the ACA. It's the name Obama they had trouble with.

[–]XtaC23 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Whoa, rules for thee not for me. That's politics.

[–]asdfasdferqv 60 points61 points  (33 children)

Now he says absentee voting is fine but vote-by-mail is full of fraud. The difference is a mystery to all of us.

[–]conglock 96 points97 points  (10 children)

Yupp. Can't have mail in ballots if you don't have a post office. taps forhead

[–]forebill 109 points110 points  (22 children)

If he had done simple administrating, called in the experts, asked around about successful responses to such things, it's likely he could hang his next 4 years on his pandemic response.

But he didn't.

[–]Chungus675 30 points31 points  (3 children)

That because he can’t tolerate not being the one who came up with the idea

[–]RLucas3000 64 points65 points  (29 children)

Even with the pandemic he could have won if he had been even a little competent. The country would have backed him if he wasn’t such an ignorant (inject bleach) petty (why do people like Fauchi more than me?) evil (ignores bounties his bestie Putin put on American troops) fuck!

[–]bekastrange 59 points60 points  (3 children)

If he wasn’t ignorant petty and evil he’d have no personality traits at all.

[–]skykingjustin 154 points155 points  (61 children)

I'm not even American and I can smell the election will be rigged for him

[–]GregorSamsaa 122 points123 points  (30 children)

He’s been laying the seeds for it for a really long time now. The way this pandemic played out also showed how much sway one person can have over reason.

All it took was a phone call with the governors of red states telling them to reopen despite no progress being made on reducing cases and all to try and boost an economy that by all expert accounts couldn’t be saved and all of a sudden there we were, May 1st with the reopenings. Now look at where Texas is at.

[–]monkeyseverywhere 67 points68 points  (24 children)

Trump still hasn't accepted the results of the 2016 election. An election he "won". There is literally no scenario wherein he accepts the results of 2020.

[–]SaaSyGirl 14 points15 points  (10 children)

I completely agree with everything you said in your comment. Regardless, if he doesn't win the upcoming presidential election, come January 20th, he will no longer be POTUS and will be removed from the White House.

[–]Sneaky_Bones 195 points196 points  (72 children)

Not uncommon maybe, but a whole lot of that is just folks trying to save face while still secretly harboring general support even if a little shame is attached to it too. Kinda like when you used to be embarrassed of liking some pop song back in high school. You'd talk shit about the artist to your buddies, but then go home and jam that shit on repeat while feeling slightly ashamed of yourself (wrongly in that context I should add). Unfortunately, Trump's approval, though as low as it's always been, is still just as stable and has even inched upward in recent days despite everything. He still enjoys 90+% republican approval which is sincerely just as mind-boggling as it is terrifying. The past 4 years have permanently altered how I see conservatives, "difference of opinion" no longer applies, these folks are genuinely primed for full-blown fascism.

Edit: grammar

[–]forgotmymainagain 134 points135 points  (48 children)

Exactly. He has 40+% aggregate approval rating. Iirc the only time its gone lower than 40 was during he government shutdown. All this talk about people giving up on trump is just hot air. No-one is switching sides and he has a solid chance of winning still. Do not get complacent. Vote.

[–]jimmijo62 52 points53 points  (21 children)

Don’t think people are unwilling to change their minds. I for one sure ass hell have. I admit that I voted for the Orange Freak from Hell. But since late 2017, I’ve totally regretted it, prayed fervently for forgiveness, gave alms, asked my democratic friends for forgiveness, and personally apologized to them. I don’t think I’ll ever vote Republican again. The way his ass kissers in the House and Senate still support him make me want to puke. I’m 58 and now SLEEP WITH MY EYES WIDE OPEN!

[–]dan1son 47 points48 points  (16 children)

I don't know. That's their argument right? The "silent majority." Why would they be silent now? They sure as hell weren't silent in 2016 and plenty of them aren't silent now. The people I mentioned that explained their displeasure have no reason to lie to me. These aren't deep state operatives trying to forge some misinformation campaign. They're random ass family members or friends that have no affiliation with any organization outside of "I voted for Trump last time."

But yes I agree with you. I see a Trump hat or shirt and assume quite a lot about that individual these days. Which annoys the crap out of me since I don't want to assume anything about someone I don't know.

[–]Notarussianbot2020 74 points75 points  (7 children)

DJT could literally have soared to reelection if he tried for a single week.

Pass a bipartisan economic stimulus, stop tweeting, mandate masks, build a testing plan and PPE plan. Once the week was over some intern could run the plan.

This is why nobody ever joins him, he refuses to do anything but be a narcissistic moronic stubborn clown.

[–]SaddestClown 39 points40 points  (3 children)

All he had to do was say "mask up and masks are available on my website"

[–]Bwob 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Or even just 'Fauci the will be handling this. Do whatever he says'

Those words were all that he had to say to handle the problem and soar to reelection.

[–]SaddestClown 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Instead he tried giving it to Pence and Kush, one of which did nothing and the other just made friends rich

[–]shorthanded 99 points100 points  (13 children)

A lot of it was people asking "what's the worst that could happen? Let's shake things up!"
Congrats, idiots, consider the country shook.

[–]91Caleb 84 points85 points  (24 children)

I don’t even think you need education. You just need a half ounce of compassion for other Americans to realize this guy is so far completely off his rocker

[–][deleted] 92 points93 points  (67 children)

We know 60 millions Americans can be fooled once. In a few months we will see how many are not redeemable.

[–]Whatever0788 73 points74 points  (57 children)

The sad part is that these people have made such fools of themselves by supporting him, that they’re in far too deep and are too proud to admit how wrong they were.

[–]ilovegingermen 44 points45 points  (53 children)

That's my father. I disowned him after George Floyd died and the BLM movement picked up.

[–]unfather 404 points405 points  (108 children)

When I heard Trump got The Apprentice, I was like "that goofy billionaire everyone makes fun of?" John Mulaney has a bit about Trump, that he's a "poor man's idea of a rich man". When I first heard that joke it stuck out in a great special because it's a stolen joke; I'd heard it multiple times already and specifically about Trump. Maybe he just put it together himself too, but not at all an original joke.

Trump was a known quantity in the '80s, a literal joke to (earlier) comedians and anyone who'd ever actually met him. People knew about his many failures when they happened; they were huge failures. That's the shit that made him into the piece of shit they wanted for The Apprentice, someone who was more interesting to watch than intelligent.

That shit was so prevalent that it even seeped into pop culture so that I knew it as a late teen, when The Apprentice started. I didn't look into Donald Trump in the 2000's. I just already knew, for pop culture alone.

I have a very very very hard time excusing people who didn't understand Trump before he became a serious candidate.

[–]jetsetninjacat 109 points110 points  (18 children)

See this is the part I don't get. My parents didn't like him in the 80s and 90s growing up and would always say what a joke and fool he was. My sister and felt the same way and cringed when we say him in home alone 2. Fast forward to 2016... wtf. Did people forget everything he did through the 80s and 90s? Luckily no one in my family liked him but what about everyone else? He was known for screwing things up.

[–]Rcmacc 84 points85 points  (5 children)

Back then he was a D and now he’s an R

[–]Manfrenjensenjen 198 points199 points  (27 children)

Yeah, I mean I distinctly remember my dad rightfully making fun of him for being the utter buffoon that he’s always been way back in the late 80’s. Now he acts like he’s been sent by god to ‘save the country’. I ask what the hell has changed since then- clearly he’s no different, he’s still the same carnival barker/con artist he’s always been. But all I can get is a mishmash of Fox talking points and evangelical paranoia/persecution complex ramblings. These people are basically cult members, I can’t think of another explanation.

[–]Squirrels_dont_build 86 points87 points  (14 children)

Yup. My extremely religious dad who typically loathes the trump kind of person said he was going to "bring righteousness back to the United States" after calling Obama evil. I'm atheist, but I really just do not understand why all those people would throw away their mask of religion to support that idiot.

[–]MontiBurns 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Because "Christianity" to many on the "religious right" is cultural identity, not a religious belief. Trump embodies a lot of conservative culture that everyone on the right denies exists. The callousness, the racism, the apathy, the egocentrism, the narcism. The people who do see that and vote for him anyway only did it to lower their own taxes. They'll take all that negative baggage, so long as it means they could pay less in taxes.

[–]DelayOfGame123 31 points32 points  (1 child)

If it means anything, I’m a practicing member of one of the most conservative Christian denominations. Some of us (myself included) don’t fall for the lip service the orange man gives to Christian morals. You can’t say you uphold Christian values while committing actions that show you hate other races, don’t value women, imprison little kids, screw over the poor and disabled...

[–]Adult_Minecrafter 57 points58 points  (5 children)

They don’t like HIM, they like the agenda he pushes. Trump is just a vehicle for the fear-based conservative policies that let them sleep better at night.

“Things have been so good for me, I’m scared of any kind of change! What if brown people start trying to rob my house at night!?!”

[–]EmpRupus 110 points111 points  (11 children)

that he's a "poor man's idea of a rich man".

It's actually not a joke, it's reality. A lot of people vote on the basis of - "That's the guy I wanna have a beer with, that's the guy wanna aspire to become."

A lot of rural folks in the US (and elsewhere) don't "understand" a lot of cultural stuff associated with "them coastal elites". They don't get the point of an art gallery or an art piece selling for a million dollars. They don't understand the point of a charity-ball to help kids with malaria in a distant part of the world. They don't understand feminism or LGBT rights. Or comparing notes on wine or cheese, or visiting foreign places like Europe. To them, it feels weird or bizarre or pointless.

However, give them a person who - with his money - makes a tall building slaps his name on top with giant gold letters for the whole city to see - like a billboard in a rural area. Or get a giant golden toilet. Or trade in his older wife for an attractive younger woman from Eastern Europe.

These are things THEY would do if they won the lottery. So they think - "He's one of us."

To be honest, we all have that weakness. Even Reddit worshipped Elon Musk because "He is such a cool nerd. I would smoke a blunt with him and talk about bitcoins and play D&D". But then we are shocked to find underneath that veneer, he is just a ruthless businessman who cares about profits above all. There are many hardcore conservatives who actually preferred Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton, despite Bernie being more to the left. Because they could emotionally connect with Bernie as "my kinda guy".

The Presidential system along with 2-party system in the US favors charisma over policies. People unfortunately vote for "the guy I would have beer with" as opposed to the person whose policies look more beneficial.

[–]bincyvoss 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I've never understood how Southerners fawn over that blowhard New York yankee. He is the antithesis of everything they claim to hold dear. A good friend of mine is terminally ill with stage 4 cancer and her family no longer speaks to her because she's voting for Biden. They are more loyal to that orange lout than their own flesh and blood.

[–]LoneRangersBand 65 points66 points  (4 children)

He was invited into high class circles because people found him entertaining. He's the weird friend you invite sometimes just so you'll hear the shit he says.

[–]unusualj107 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I followed Trump's "handler" or gopher from the Apprentice on Twitter. He talks about the coke straws and the massive amounts of Adderall and cocaine Trump required in each dressing room he would frequent. I have to give Trump a single +1. He has shown me everyone I wish to avoid and eveyone who needs to be voted out.

[–]DueceBag 32 points33 points  (0 children)

He's also a dumb man's idea of a smart man and an incels idea of a cassanova playboy.

[–]CrumbsAndCarrots 43 points44 points  (13 children)

My friend went to school with Ivanka at Choate. She was a b list rich kid. Tried to fit in with the cool kids but couldn’t. Because why? Because the Trumps are a tacky joke to old money north East elites.

[–]AlwaysBagHolding 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Conan made fun of him almost every night back when the apprentice was first on the air. It was an ongoing gag on the show for a long time.

[–]Chendii 82 points83 points  (13 children)

Fuck man that's my dream. It's crazy because my mom is taking it very seriously. Social distracting, mask any time she leaves the house, everything you can think of. She still says it's not that bad and Trump is doing a great job. I don't fucking get it.

[–]alominus 44 points45 points  (3 children)

My parents will defend trump any time I say anything against him. I've learned just to keep my mouth shut. People who still support Trump at this point are not people you are ever going to convince no matter how hard you try. If anything, it will make them double down.

[–]bearface93 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I’ve literally been banned from talking politics at home. My grandpa doesn’t know how to handle it when I prove his right wing conspiracy theories wrong in less than 30 seconds on google so he just yells that I constantly instigate shit even when he brings it up, then he bitches to my mom about it who then yells at me for stressing him out and for how I think. These people are lost.

[–]SeedlessGrapes42 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Social distracting

"Hey, strangers! Look at this distracting thing! Isn't it distracting?! DISTRACTION!"

[–]willflameboy 28 points29 points  (5 children)

And he'd had a decade-long TV show about him being a narcissistic clown. And several books. And many, many photos like this.

[–]aether_drift 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Yep, all the Republicans in my family have jumped the Trump ship and are voting for Biden. Classic Republicans have a respect for conservative intellectual foundations and for people who conduct themselves with probity, honesty, and responsibility. Trump has none of these qualities.

[–]throwy4444 21 points22 points  (0 children)

epublican mother has completely jumped ship and now realizes he’s a narcissistic clown because of this COVID stuff. I wish she would have realized that, I don’t know 5 years ago, when all his actions signaled “I’m a narcissistic clown”.

What exactly brought your mother around?

[–]srone 213 points214 points  (21 children)

Long before the pandemic I would ask climate change deniers if it was actually possible for every major university in the world including MIT, Harvard, Oxford to be in on this. And at what point in the thousands of climate science students studies did they bring them into a room and let them in on the hoax, and that they had to keep it a secret.

I doubt I changed a single mind.

[–]HVDynamo 115 points116 points  (16 children)

This is the most infuriating thing about it all. They will happily listen to the one dude who is lying and will die on their own sword defending the idiot, but not all the other people who actually have a background in the field and actually know what they are talking about. Sure sometimes the experts get it wrong, but that's how science works and their guess is better than mine.

[–]Durgenheim 68 points69 points  (7 children)

They don’t listen to doctors, scientists, lawyers, professors, and all manner of other people who have devoted their lives to trying to master a particular field... but they trust a man with a lifelong record of being a liar, cheater, and con-man??

It just doesn’t make any sense.

[–]Genius_of_Narf 26 points27 points  (2 children)

It's often because it's not what you say, but how you say it that's important. Many times those with bigger levels of education don't quite get how to "dumb it down" to the average person. This leaves the average person feeling inferior, and their brains tell them that if they can't understand it, it's because there is something wrong with the information.

Trump speaks at a lower level than most. He adds in energy and pumps crowds up much better than most politicians who end up looking stiff. It's also one reason that Bernie does better.

Think about it this way: who did you listen better to as a kid: the teacher who had the most information to learn, or the one who "made it fun"?

You can't win with facts. You win with emotion.

[–]Sketchy_Life_Choices 247 points248 points  (28 children)

The Democrats are playing the long con.

Step 1: Convince the entire world there's a pandemic

Step 2: ??

Step 3: Destroy America, turn it communist

Step 4: ???

Step 5: Take over the rest of the world, turn it communist

Step 6: ????

Step 7: Profit. Also, upload Bernie Sanders and AOC's consciousnesses to the cloud, stir briskly for eight minutes, let cool for one hour, then load the Super-Lib into a commie mech warrior global dictator-bot

[–]Cranky_Windlass 42 points43 points  (5 children)

Dammit, now I'm craving ramen

[–]sgtpnkks 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I have some ramen at home, I think I'll make some

[–]Ti89Titanium04 78 points79 points  (15 children)

WHAT?! Your telling me there are people who exist outside the US that aren’t just Mexicans trying to steal my jobs?

[–]SatansMoltenSemen 77 points78 points  (9 children)

Nah, I’m from Ireland and we’re all Mexicans that are after American jobs

[–]SixSpeedDriver 58 points59 points  (5 children)

Weren't the Irish America's first Mexicans?

[–]Texas_Nexus 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I knew it!

TERK OUR JERBS!

[–]desertpolarbear 106 points107 points  (7 children)

They made climate change political for fucks sake!

[–]SmashBusters 242 points243 points  (39 children)

GOP strategy:

Tell them to be afraid of fake things.

Tell them not to be afraid of real things because they are fake.

It's nauseating how many Americans swallow that watery shit and ask for a free refill.

[–]C0ncept8 70 points71 points  (8 children)

Like that caravan of migrant workers coming to kill us but are also too physically weak to contribute anything but are so strong they can scale the walls and outrun BP

[–]Amelaclya1 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Also that migrant caravan that was super duper scary, was mysteriously never mentioned again after then 2018 elections.

[–]hwc000000 26 points27 points  (1 child)

It's nauseating how many Americans swallow that watery shit

40%

[–]OldEstimate 140 points141 points  (8 children)

It's even more insane that this was deliberate.

From Vanity Fair: How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

That logic may have swayed Kushner. “It was very clear that Jared was ultimately the decision maker as to what [plan] was going to come out,” the expert said.

This is deliberate.

This is mass-murder.

We could clear 1m dead and it's because ole Kushie wanted to kill Democrats. So he did.

[–]UbiquitouSparky 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What’s insane is if they did tackle this properly it likely would’ve led to him being re-elected.

[–]craig1f 44 points45 points  (9 children)

Should have expected it would be political. After all, vaccines, climate change, abortion, and healthcare are all political in this country.

[–]Tasigur_Banana_Man 78 points79 points  (8 children)

Conservatives: "We can't let this get political!"

Conservatives a week later: "It's my God given right to not wear a mask and you're a sheep if you do!"

[–]SLB6977 210 points211 points  (66 children)

People stopped buying Corona beer because they heard the word Corona. I'm done with trying to understand the brain power of the average person.

[–]montypython112 106 points107 points  (41 children)

This was yet another example of fake news. For one, sales numbers would not have come out when that started spreading. Latest data from February showed corona sales up 5%.

[–]Longfingerjack 1931 points1932 points  (316 children)

US is very strange that way. Very rare to see political statements like that on your property in most other countries. I'm not saying it doesn't happen it's just rare.

[–]Punple 1072 points1073 points  (221 children)

Over here in Finland people would think you're some sort of a loon if you have bumper stickers or big walls of text or slogans on your cars/windows/houses/yards.

[–]trag4 1160 points1161 points  (14 children)

Oh, you're a loon if you do it in America as well. We just have a lot of them.

[–]Duneman44 97 points98 points  (0 children)

Couldn't have said it better myself

[–]DemoFly 134 points135 points  (18 children)

Every Saturday there is a 'Trump community meetup' downtown after the farmer's market closes. It's not a rally, it's about 30 older white dudes that stand around and talk about Trump for several hours.

This would not be normal behavior for any other political figure prior to 2016.

[–]Bebilith 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I’d like to just sit in and listen to those conversations. Just so I could try to understand the state of mind. Cause I’ve found it unfathomable since the orange one put his hand up to be nominated.

[–]DemoFly 20 points21 points  (4 children)

I've walked by it twice and listened in a bit. The first time they talked about how Trump responded to a reporter and called her a nasty woman. They loved how Trump didn't entertain her question. They called the reporter a dumb bitch.

The second time they were whining about something to do with Rachel Maddow and they called her a dumb bitch.

[–]giverofnofucks 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Those guys sound like a bunch of dumb bitches.

[–]Bebilith 13 points14 points  (2 children)

So more of a misogynist social group then?

[–]MrsFlip 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Trump group, misogynistic group, same thing.

Mass shooters in the making basically.

[–]dick-nipples 3334 points3335 points  (100 children)

I like how the first three digits can be changed so they can keep the neighborhood updated on the death count.

[–]AntiquatedLunacy 93 points94 points  (3 children)

They look painted on. It's just implying the numbers are increasing by thousands

[–]Toon_Napalm 1034 points1035 points  (39 children)

Looking closer I think it is just painted on to look like that, weird.

[–]dame_tu_cosita 1130 points1131 points  (19 children)

It's an stylistic way to say that the numbers are growing up and it's going to change soon, like a "classic" baseball score board.

[–]carnage11eleven 205 points206 points  (10 children)

It's definitely a design choice. You hit it on the head.

[–]womm 57 points58 points  (5 children)

It can also be easily updated. Just paint over with white and change the number

[–]skylobster 122 points123 points  (8 children)

I noticed that too and thought it was weird but I think it allows them to be painted over without showing the old digits, since they would do a clean white layer on top of the old numbers before filling in the new numbers

[–]dxn4 97 points98 points  (6 children)

I think it's just to show that it's a counter that will continue to change and not just stay on that number.

[–]byParallax 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You're right. Still, it has a whiter background that would be easily painted over to update the counter

[–]PolitelyHostile 246 points247 points  (38 children)

Hopefully they weren’t short-sighted in thinking that they wont need to add a digit in front of those 6.

[–]DistanceMachine 52 points53 points  (11 children)

John Mulaney has a skit about that.

[–]jmac5450 55 points56 points  (1 child)

I don't need to trace it. I know how big letters should be. To begin, A BIG ASS "H"!

[–]CaptainNoBoat 1301 points1302 points  (90 children)

American "Leadership" during the worst public health crisis in a century, ladies and gentlemen:

  • February 7 - <10 cases: “He (Xi) will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”

  • February 10 - <10 cases: “a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.”

  • February 25 - 15 cases: "So I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.”

  • February 26 - 15 cases: “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."

  • February 27 - 60 cases: "It's going to disappear...One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

  • March 6 - 319 cases: Trump again stated the virus would "go away."

  • March 10 - 994 cases: “We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away,”

  • March 12 - 1,631 cases: “It’s going away. We want it to go away with very, very few deaths.”

  • March 30 - 168,680 cases: “It will go away. You know it — you know it is going away, and it will go away.”

  • March 31 - 193,954 cases: "It’s going to go away, hopefully at the end of the month. And, if not, hopefully it will be soon after that.”

  • April 3 - 284,504 cases: "It is going to go away. It is going away.…I said it’s going away, and it is going away.”

  • April 7 - 410,788 cases: "It will go away” “the cases really didn’t build up for a while.” “I think what happens is it’s going to go away. This is going to go away”.

  • April 29 - 1,068,111 cases: "It’s gonna go. It’s gonna leave. It’s gonna be gone. It’s going to be eradicated and – uh – it might take longer. It might be in smaller sections. It won’t be what we had”

  • May 8 - 1,326,579 cases: “It’s going to go away. And we’re not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time.”

  • May 15 - 1,517,723 cases: “It’ll go away at some point, It’ll go away. It may flare up and it may not flare up."

  • June 16 - 2,211,406 cases: “I always say, even without it [a vaccine], it goes away.”

  • June 17 - 2,237,660 cases: Coronavirus would “fade away”.

  • June 23 - 2,246,338 cases: “We did so well before the plague and we’re doing so well after the plague. It’s going away.”

  • July 1 - 2,778,452 cases: "We're headed back in a very strong fashion. ... And I think we're going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point that's going to sort of just disappear. I hope."

  • July 19 - 3,836,674 cases: "I will be right eventually. You know, I said, 'It's going to disappear.' I'll say it again. ... It's going to disappear, and I'll be right,"

[–]SqualeTheKitten 373 points374 points  (15 children)

He's right, it will eventually go away. Just wait for 2025 when it finally goes away and he can start bragging about how clever he was

[–]austex3600 41 points42 points  (2 children)

He’s talking about his burden of being president that he obviously can’t handle.

[–]ekothree 91 points92 points  (5 children)

I upvoted your post because we’ve all heard these statements. Your post would carry a lot more impact with sources and links.

[–]CaptainNoBoat 79 points80 points  (1 child)

This has most of them

Sometimes I'll source everything when the context is more important, I just think the links make it all look too busy.

[–]JamOnTheOne 58 points59 points  (2 children)

22 Times Trump said the Coronavirus would Just Go Away

You really only need one source, a surpercut video of his lies.

[–]pinball_schminball 29 points30 points  (18 children)

150,000 is the under-reported number. I work in the healthcare industry as a data scientist and the real number is probably twice that given how many states with high numbers of deaths aren't reporting.

That doubled number still doesn't even begin to account for all the permanently-injured survivors that will die young

[–]Lunarskies92 281 points282 points  (47 children)

Was talking to someone at work yesterday who told me that it's a hoax and the numbers are all made up. I didn't even bother talking to her any further.

[–]slimCyke 57 points58 points  (3 children)

I can't imagine. I'd probably just give a thousand yard stare until one of us left.

[–]Expl0sive101 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Imagine living with one of those people. That person also being a parent.

[–]sillyboy42 25 points26 points  (0 children)

My father was a hippie in the 60s-70s and supported Trump until the brain cancer killed him. I maintain it was the brain cancer that caused him to support Trump.

[–]Friggindandy 304 points305 points  (57 children)

Notice that the sign isn’t anti-Trump. It’s not pro-Biden. It’s a fact. Something Trump and his supporters are very uncomfortable with.

[–]ClowxReed 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We can't let facts and science stop us from doing stupid things

[–]JarbaloJardine 24 points25 points  (4 children)

A neighbor near me built and painted a large yard sign that says: MAGA Again. Which kills me every time I drive by( Make America Great Again.....Again!!). But I was given new life when the neighbor directly across the street from him made an even bigger sign that says: Stay Home Like Trump did for Vietnam USMC

[–]verostein 485 points486 points  (43 children)

Funny how in the states, acknowledging that yes the virus does exist is a political statement.

[–]DigitalPriest 209 points210 points  (18 children)

In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act

  • George Orwell

[–]notimportanthehexd 110 points111 points  (9 children)

Someone was voted into office that implied that he got the virus because he wore a mask.

I can't imagine being so fucking stupid that I see that man and think "yeah, this is someone I want to be in charge."

[–]Se7enLC 1193 points1194 points  (286 children)

Do all Trump fans think Coronavirus is a hoax? Or is it just that everyone who thinks it's a hoax is a Trump fan?

This gigantic yard display doesn't seem to be directly anti-Trump at all.

[–]diiejso 1381 points1382 points  (92 children)

The MAGA people near me said it was a hoax to hurt Trump in the beginning. People around here started getting sick and a few died, but they still said it was a hoax and kept having parties and gatherings.

In May it hit their family and they were scared as hell. One of them told me to be careful because they found out at the hospital that "some people can be asymptomatic which means they can spread it without looking sick." Apparently they'd been avoiding people that they thought looked sick and figured they'd be fine.

After a couple weeks they'd recovered and none of them died. After that it was back to being a hoax to hurt Trump and they're back to having gatherings.

[–]Sketchy_Life_Choices 1037 points1038 points  (68 children)

Listen, I don't wish anyone ill (no, not even trump, that's just not how I roll), but these people are going to get what's coming to them sooner or later and it'll be earned. It's only a matter of time until all those who act nonchalantly about anti-virus protocol are infected; it's going to keep spreading until (a) everyone takes it seriously or (b) everyone who doesn't take it seriously catches it.

It's amazing to me that we mourn over mass shootings where 20 people die, terrorists acts where 3000 people die, or helicopter/plane crashes where 4 people (with a celebrity or two) die, yet when ONE-HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND die it's literally laughed about, or at least shrugged off, by a large portion of the population

The fact that the Trump administration has turned on the fucking Center for Disease Control during the middle of a global pandemic (and he is still firmly supported by his base) is nothing short of pre-apocalyptic megalomaniacal hubris.

[–]hapoo 372 points373 points  (7 children)

It's amazing to me that we mourn over mass shootings where 20 people die, terrorists acts where 3000 people die, or helicopter/plane crashes where 4 people (with a celebrity or two) die, yet when ONE-HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND die and it's literally laughed about.

It’s basically a real life example of that old hitler joke:

Trump: I’m going to kill 150,000 people and one clown.

Public: Why are you going to kill a clown!?

Trump to Pence: See, I told you no one cares about 150,000 people dying!

[–]ZeeBeeblebrox 142 points143 points  (13 children)

You just have to look at the coverage of the Ebola outbreak to see how nakedly partisan all of this is. There were what? Two Americans who contracted it and all Conservative outlets ran non-stop coverage about how Obama was failing to respond sufficiently. So much so that there's pretty solid evidence that it caused a significant swing in the mid-terms.

[–]Sacredauto 76 points77 points  (5 children)

I had a friend on Facebook try to hit me with “where was all the panic during Ebola?”

I’m like, there was, but we took it seriously and it didn’t spiral out of control

[–]ItsGettinBreesy 12 points13 points  (2 children)

We took it serious because 1/2 people on average would die from it. It’s sad that we need to literally have figures like 50% death rate to really take a virus serious.

People crack me up. When people say to me “I’ll be fine! The death rate is so low that it would be like the flu” and I usually laugh internally and say “yeah you’ll be fine if your range is death to living. It isn’t to say that you won’t have long term complications. People are experiencing permanently scarred lungs, blood clots, and other horrible side affects” and the usual response is “well how do you know they weren’t previous ill or overweight?”

You can never win in these arguments

[–]Sacredauto 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I had a kidney transplant 3.5 years ago, my partner’s sister said “it’s not a big deal if you do your research” to which we reminded her I will probably die if I get infected because my immune system is repressed, and my partner has asthma and could die. She didn’t respond to that, and she’s not welcome in our house

[–]bigsis32390 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Remember how trump railed against Obama during Ebola for golfing and said he’d be too busy to golf as president? Wild. Hasn’t his golfing cost $137 MILLION of taxpayer money now? Crazy.

Update: about $138 MILLION now.

[–]Gigatron_0 63 points64 points  (9 children)

"One death is a tragedy, 1 million deaths is a statistic"

-Someone

[–]gslavik 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Kill one person, get 20 to life. Kill 100 people, get 30 years of a mental institution. Kill 1 million people, get diplomatic immunity.

I saw the above phrase in relation to Pinochet.

[–]Sphism 42 points43 points  (0 children)

pre-apocalyptic

Hot tip, don't put people into power who look forward to the end of times and try to encourage it to please their god.

[–]EatsRats 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don’t feel bad for people like that.

Their goal is clearly to spread misinformation. Why a pandemic became political is way the fuck beyond me.

[–]Em42 46 points47 points  (8 children)

My spouses parents, especially his mom who is super into Trump, aren't treating it like a hoax. Fortunately because we live in Miami and they're in their 60's. I can't imagine if we were having to cope with them acting recklessly on top of how widespread the virus is here right now. They're both wearing masks, and also getting most of their stuff delivered or my spouse is bringing it to them.

Although his mother did come up with some batshit stuff to justify his injecting disinfectant and UV light comments. She explained it by saying something like, he meant ECMO like cleaning the blood then putting it back (sure he did), and some other shit about tanning beds from Facebook, it would be funny if it weren't so deluded.

[–]nohpex 84 points85 points  (22 children)

I've talked to a few, and at least one of them says it's all bullshit, and it'll all go away in November. Basically, it's all to make Trump look bad.

[–]Terr_ 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Meanwhile, we're in danger from migrant caravans which only appear in the run-up to midterm elections and then quickly vanish one day afterwards.

[–]bad_luck_charm 59 points60 points  (13 children)

I see that a lot. “This will all end on November 4th and everybody knows it.”

Where do these people get this shit?

[–]MaxPaynesRxDrugPlan 70 points71 points  (8 children)

Where do these people get this shit?

From the Trumps, of course:

"They think they are taking away Donald Trump's greatest tool, which is being able to go into an arena and fill it with 50,000 people every single time. You watch, they'll milk it every single day between now and November 3. And guess what, after November 3, coronavirus will magically, all of a sudden, go away and disappear and everybody will be able to reopen." - Eric Trump, May 16, 2020

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Eric-Trump-claims-coronavirus-is-Democratic-hoax-15276534.php

[–]Thurwell 40 points41 points  (3 children)

He can hold rallies and they can go. We've seen what will happen though, the rally will be half empty and a bunch of people will get sick.

[–]2059FF 33 points34 points  (1 child)

And guess what, after November 3, coronavirus will magically, all of a sudden, go away and disappear

Remember the migrant caravans that were all over the news right up until the midterm elections, and mysteriously disappeared right after? Trump thinks the coronavirus is the Democrat's caravan. (And somehow every single country in the world is in on it.)

[–]DeloresDelVeckio 139 points140 points  (20 children)

Trump was an experiment gone wrong. People were sick of lying, cheating, dishonest politicians, so believed that voting in a lying, cheating, dishonest businessman (and a lousy one at that) would be an improvement.

[–]WolverineSanders 36 points37 points  (6 children)

Which frankly gives them too much credit. A scientist is willing to admit when his experiment has gone wrong.

This was about nihlistic destruction

[–]FapstoNat5s 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This virus exposed every ugly facet of America.

[–]famishedpanda 262 points263 points  (35 children)

BuT tHe FlU kILlS 50 ThOuSaNd PeOPlE eAcH yEaR.

[–]DrCoknballsII 124 points125 points  (24 children)

Well, for some reason that's up like 400% this year. Weird. /s

[–]cap1112 170 points171 points  (20 children)

I like that they have the American flag up. People against Trump need to reclaim the flag and patriotism. Don’t let those destroying the US have it.

[–]magicite 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t agree more. Don’t let them exclusively define what it means to be an American.

[–]tweak0 62 points63 points  (17 children)

Remember when we used to care that Americans were dead? I remember watching 9-11 in high school and really caring that Americans were dead.

[–]Wolus10 23 points24 points  (8 children)

Someone else cause that. We don't care about what we do to ourselves

[–]tyrallian 21 points22 points  (1 child)

It's so sad that USA has tied politics to covid

[–]Desert_Nanners 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This is sad but if things keep going the way they are...

We're gonna need a bigger sign.

[–]grabherbythecovfefe 36 points37 points  (10 children)

Conservatism I can understand.

Trumpism does not compute.