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[–]RebbyRose 1848 points1849 points  (159 children)

I mean it's well documented the government only cares about vets when it's convenient

[–]SlimyDino 535 points536 points  (18 children)

Only for political gain (publicity)

[–]Deenyc43 233 points234 points  (3 children)

They don’t care ever, 1000’s of disables vets have to turn to charities to help with their war injuries. The VA is a disaster. Soldiers are a disposable commodity to the government.

[–]SumpCrab 95 points96 points  (0 children)

I agree that the VA can be a mess, but I had skin cancer and the VA diagnosed it, did the surgery to remove it, did the plastic surgery (it was on my face) and did half a dozen follow-up appointments and I never paid a penny. We need more oversight so that this is always the case but I wish everyone had access to such a service.

That being said, we need to stop bribing young people with college and healthcare to serve in the military, everyone should have access to education and healthcare.

[–]kidkkeith 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Trump has done more for vets than almost anyone in history. Just ask him. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[–]TheSkyPirate 38 points39 points  (1 child)

*All governments at any point in history. Just make rosy promises to fresh 18 year olds. Veterans are inconvenient.

[–]MichaelChicklis 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Alexander Vindman says hello

[–]jm_usmc85 213 points214 points  (116 children)

Most people only care about vets when it's convenient for them let's just be real. Half the people on here would call any vet a bootlicker/fascist/pig/murderer as soon as they voiced any opinion that differed from their own.

[–]El_Zapp 109 points110 points  (0 children)

You don’t get the joke, do you? The people who thank veterans for their service are the bootlickers.

Most on the left think that invading foreign countries isn’t a good idea to begin with. The joke that those people who don’t get tired of saying this “thank you for your service” bullshit are now the ones celebrating that a vet get’s pepper sprayed in the face by a facist police force.

So who is higher in the “thank you for your service” ranking? Police? Marines? Navy? I’m really confused who to thank when they rough up each other.

[–]swashinator 120 points121 points  (80 children)

I think most understand military ends up being their only option or they're indoctrinated in to it

[–]robot_turtle 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not sure you understand what supporting vets means and doesn’t mean.

[–]RedditModsAreScum 40 points41 points  (4 children)

“an opinion”

Is that what we’re calling Republicanism now? What a fucking joke. Yeah, I’d call a fascist a fascist.

Cue the “SEE?!”

Yeah. I call fascist supporters fascists. lol I always love this framing of “a different opinion.”

[–]Heroiccrayfish 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s kinda how that works. If you support shit like “blue lives matter” you are a dumbass boot licker, it doesn’t matter what your background is.

[–]ATRGuitar 52 points53 points  (9 children)

Let's not equivocate differences of opinion with supporting fascism.

[–]krokuts 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm European but honestly I don't care about our vets, not even mentioning yours. It's a career that they willingly choose and all deployments of my country's military are cause of great Powers spazzing (USA and previously USRR)

[–]WarpEyed 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bootlicker? They are the boot.

[–]KecemotRybecx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Navy vet.

It’s the truth.

[–]goopium 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Yes.

For good reason.

[–]TheFrontYard 283 points284 points  (11 children)

Is this from that video of that guy tanking the hits from the baton and walking away after he got peppersprayed and flipped them off?

[–]mrbie23 187 points188 points  (1 child)

I believe so! I've seen that video too, it made me feel many different ways. Hes apparently an actual veteran who was trying to ask the police why they weren't following the constitution but instead of getting an answer they attacked him.

[–]ChErRyPOPPINSaf 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Seems like the appropriate response " hey why are you doing that?"

"Let's fuck this guy up."

[–]lowrads 96 points97 points  (0 children)

The best part is when the little pansy proto-fascist just gives up and wanders off in a sulk.

I just wish we knew what department he represented, so we could rent a billboard on their commute.

[–]---bruh--- 26 points27 points  (0 children)

They broke his arm too! He tanked those hits like a boss!

[–]IchWerfNebels 21 points22 points  (4 children)

You can't just say that and then not link the video!

[–]TheFrontYard 40 points41 points  (2 children)

[–]IchWerfNebels 71 points72 points  (1 child)

Did that guy fucking tank five full-force double-handed baton strikes and a blast of pepper spray to the face, then casually walk away flipping them off?!

Not to downplay the horrible human rights implications here, but that must have been demoralizing as fuck for those shock troops.

[–]FluorineGas 56 points57 points  (0 children)

He needed reconstructive surgery on his hand but still managed to flip them off while walking away. Dude's a legend

[–]lordkabal26 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Yup, he got a couple broken bones in his hand from that assault too.

[–]outlawsoul[S] 2057 points2058 points  (208 children)

“Why are you not honoring your oath to the Constitution?,” Christopher David, a 53-year-old veteran and graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, asked federal officers in Portland. They responded by spraying chemical irritant into his face and beating him with a baton, breaking two bones in his hand.

Source is ROSS MACDONALD’S SKETCHBOOK.

EDIT. Thank you for all the awards. Please register and remember to vote. Keep checking your registrations. Canvas if you can. Do what you have to do to vote this fascism out.

[–]Moose_Cake 922 points923 points  (154 children)

-Aggressive new military like police attacks vets.

-Donald Trump suggests postponing elections.

-Donald Trump claims criticizing him online is illegal.

-Tens of thousands die, meanwhile billionaires cut jobs and use tax money for bailouts.

People claiming they have guns to stop horrible people from being in power: 😴

Edit: Forgot the president said criticizing him on Twitter is "illegal".

[–]Fantastiqu3 336 points337 points  (33 children)

-tens of thousands

i'm glad someone's an optimist

[–]Moose_Cake 222 points223 points  (14 children)

"This is the worst death count!"

"This is the worst death count so far."

[–]turbulentcupcakes 97 points98 points  (9 children)

If we just stop counting deaths there will be less deaths.

[–]Gravelsack 41 points42 points  (1 child)

What if we start counting backwards? I DID IT EVERYONE! I SOLVED COVID!

[–]yunivor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone give him a government position!

[–]Trust_Me_ImAnExpert 8 points9 points  (1 child)

"Most people don't know this, but....."

[–]Bojangle_your_wangle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean you joke buuuuut...

[–]Toxicair 14 points15 points  (0 children)

"we have the best death rates." DJT

[–]thesmellnextdoor 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We have the best deaths. The best mortality. Ask anyone.

[–]Sp4ceh0rse 43 points44 points  (15 children)

15 tens of thousands and counting

[–]Triplebizzle87 29 points30 points  (4 children)

We're almost to half of the number of American lives lost in WW2. I can't wait for that landmark day (and the day we surpass American lives lost in WW2) so I can say, "is it still bullshit?".

And still get pissed when this strawman has some excuse.

[–]akashik 15 points16 points  (0 children)

surpass American lives lost in WW2

Don't forget to add "on home soil".

[–]s_hirsack 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It wouldn't/won't matter. Every conservative I know is being very vocal about the numbers being fake/exaggerated/inaccurate to the point of being untrustworthy, and the higher it gets the more certain they are it's fake. If they don't feel personally at risk, they don't care.

[–]bingbangbango 23 points24 points  (9 children)

After 10 tens of thousands, you'd think they'd have a better way to say it

[–]Dewy_Wanna_Go_There 12 points13 points  (3 children)

You just say the number until it’s above 200k.

[–]bingbangbango 11 points12 points  (2 children)

You mean 20 tens of thousands?

[–]mkp666 6 points7 points  (0 children)

50 tens is still “tens”. :)

[–]OMG__Ponies 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ok, technically, I think it is still correct to be called tens of thousands(On Wed we passed 150k in the US(Paywall)). But sometime around Nov. it will pass 200k people dead, so it would be correct to say "hundreds of thousands".

[–]fieldy409 59 points60 points  (54 children)

It's hundreds of thousands dieing to covid for now. Might be millions one day we'll see.

[–]Moose_Cake 46 points47 points  (25 children)

We're still below 200k in the US at the moment. Give us until next month though.

[–]The_OtherDouche 50 points51 points  (22 children)

Give us 14 days after schools go back. August 31st at best.

[–]Kordiana 34 points35 points  (19 children)

Sadly I don't even know if a 100 or even 1,000 kids dying from Covid would get his cult to pull their heads out of his ass.

It's infuriating.

[–]AmIFromA 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Thousands of crisis actors, all paid for by George Soros Bill Gates.

[–]yeahright1977 28 points29 points  (4 children)

They'll just divide the number of dead kids by 7 billion and claim it just shows how little covid effects children.

I've already seen instances of it being done to show how "low" the mortality rate is on a state by state basis.

[–]HoloIsLife 13 points14 points  (2 children)

My god yes, like the "99.98% survivability" number I've seen thrown around a bunch--a number derived by comparing COVID deaths to total population and not just COVID infections. Pure disinformation.

[–]Ayenbiteof-Inwyt 9 points10 points  (11 children)

Yeah maybe the virus will do what school shooters couldnt...?

[–]Generation-X-Cellent 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe when it actually translates into 100,000 parents dying by thanksgiving.

[–]blendertricks 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Deaths are a lagging indicator. Give it closer to 30-45 days. But yeah, we’ll be over 200,000 for sure before October.

[–]HaesoSR 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Only if you go by the official death count - take a gander at the excess death rate between now and this time last year. Covid-19 is killing a lot more people both directly and indirectly than the amount of bodies tested for it.

[–]IwillMasticateYou 28 points29 points  (18 children)

I've got a conservative family and they say the death tallies are inflated from covid. I try to ask them, if they didn't have covid would they have died? And that usually stops them. Is there anything else you could say to debunk it?

[–]jacodt 27 points28 points  (8 children)

What I don’t get is that even if people complain about “every death is counted as a COVID death” you can still look at the excess death from natural causes statistic. And that is elevated... I mean... if not COVID, what do these people suggest are causing the excess deaths?

[–]Veothrosh 20 points21 points  (1 child)

5g

[–]kazzanova 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's old news... It's TikTok now

[–]fuzzyyarbles 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Trump must really be terrible for all those doctors and nurses, in every state around the country, to band together and lie to make him look bad

[–]fieldy409 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Ask them why every country on earth is talking about Covid whether or not they're pro or anti American. When the entire world, including people who hate each other, agree on something it's likely to be real.

[–]TheJuiciest 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Like the moon landing. "Moon Truthers" conveniently ignore the fact that The Soviet Union confirmed the Moon landings.

[–]TonyStark100 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Just compare the number of deaths from last year to this year. If it isn't Covid, it doesn't matter because Trump was president when the death toll increased by over 100,000 per year. Maybe 200,000.

[–]DunderMilton 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Covid’s doing work on America during its non-prime time. It doesn’t do well in the heat or sun.

Just wait until fall & winter comes & everyone just pretends Covid-19 doesn’t exist so they can celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas, while COVID-19 fucking murders a hundreds of thousands more.

[–]SomeUnicornsFly 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I think the worst case scenario has always been around 2.5 mil or so. Thats basically taking the statistical deathrate and assuming it realizes its equity. Thats probably how it's going to go down. There are actually a surprisingly large number of people who actually think this is the best way. "I shouldnt have to sacrifice my weekends staying inside. Let those who die just die and get it over with"

[–]fieldy409 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The worst case scenario involves people who will only survive thanks to hospital care not receiving it thanks to hospitals being overwhelmed as well as everyone getting bigger infections with more virus virus due to catching it from multiple sources increasing their viral loads.

[–]FireCharter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I know that moms arent a good enough shield to protect us from these psychos but maybe vets are. Vets who are more disciplined, hard-working, honest heroes than these federal psychos are might be able to actually make a difference.

I won't pretend that all vets are angels. Actually, I think that anybody who institutionally is forced into a role where they have to routinely commit acts of violence is bound to be a bit fucked up, and perhaps much more than a bit, but in my experience, vets at least understand the difference between real conflict and a civilian population who just wants peace and to be left alone. They are trained to tell the difference between scared or angry townspeople and actual assailants. For some reason, this training is never given to domestic officers or agents and countless dead and maimed Americans have been the result.

[–]Scdsco 36 points37 points  (9 children)

They don’t have guns to defend against fascist leaders they have guns to shoot black people that come onto their property

[–]DukeOfGeek 20 points21 points  (23 children)

Did you really want armed citizens to light up the streets of Portland with gunfire? No? Then stop being a fucking idiot. Portland has very restrictive gun laws, very few people can be legally armed there. The Mayor, Governor and local DA put up an admirable and successful political resistance, unarmed protesters put up an admirable and successful political resistance there and the only people who called for guns to be there were people on reddit who hate armed citizens and wouldn't know how to load, shoot or aim a gun if you gave them one for free. When the mayor of Portland needs help from armed citizens Ted will let us know, until then the last resort remains the last resort and why don't you shut up about things you know shit about.

/edit https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/portland-protests-peaceful-after-federal-officers-scale-back-presence-n1235590

[–]Moose_Cake 27 points28 points  (8 children)

Long story short, I'm tired of half measures when it comes to helping others. I'm tired of people bringing guns to protests about lockdowns, but when it comes to protecting their fellow citizens from this new threat you're wanting to ignore, it's "too much".

You aren't afraid of people using guns, you're afraid of upsetting an establishment who is giving you the scraps the steal off others' plates. And YOU will be the first to whine when it's you that'll be the one to sacrifice. So it's time to stop being passive and follow through with the promise to be the best citizen you can be for others. And "shut up" until you have the pair to do it.

[–]AllieHugs 15 points16 points  (9 children)

Did you really want armed citizens to light up the streets of Portland with gunfire?

Yes. how do you think revolutions happen? pillow fights? It's time to put on your big boy pants and realize the only way we will get change is if we force it.

[–]DukeOfGeek 11 points12 points  (3 children)

People in Portland did confront and force change, and they did it without capping anybody. Good on them.

[–]mavining 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Nothing has changed. They left, and will show up in other cities. Issue unresolved, not likely to be resolved anytime soon, and sadly may end with people thinking they actually accomplished something. The late 60s all over again. Flower power, etc, yet the changes just soothed with a bandaid, and the issue continued.

[–]TheJuiciest 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah people are calling the whole season now when we aren't even done with the 1st quarter yet.

[–]Absolute_Burn_Unit 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Hey, i like your moxie

[–]DukeOfGeek 6 points7 points  (1 child)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie

So oddly enough back in the 80's I used to date an EMT who went by that as a very appropriate nickname. Girl could hurl a fastball like a tightrope.

[–]i_will_let_you_know 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I never knew moxie was a soda...

[–]Artemis7274 7 points8 points  (13 children)

To be fair, you can't just find people committing immoral acts and run in guns blazing. 2A is around to protect our rights, not to get billionaires to straighten up, it's much more complicated than- "Problem? Gun."

[–]Moose_Cake 25 points26 points  (12 children)

It's definitely more complicated than "Problem? Gun."

I'm watching barely trained young men and women open fire on our own unarmed citizens for protests because a man who is admitting that he's wanting to change our government system said so.

And the people who have spent the last 50 years promising to protect citizens are turning a blind eye. It's literally what they have offered to do up until now.

[–]ThereOnceWasADonkey 24 points25 points  (2 children)

If people actually upheld their promise to protect the constitution, Congress would be burning and the Whitehouse would be empty by now.

[–]mealteamsixty 162 points163 points  (19 children)

Didn't it come out that they're hired mercenaries? I doubt they took an oath to anything.

[–]slavicslothe 112 points113 points  (16 children)

No, they were border patrol and DHS.

[–]Fredex8 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yeah essentially the story is that the Federal Protective Service or FPS which is part of the DHS hires contractors from private companies. ie mercenaries. The FPS is only meant to protect federal buildings and these contractors are not riot trained.

Jeh Johnson, the former United States secretary of homeland security said this in an interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfJPLAZNNkc

There have since been stories claiming that they are not private contractors and I don't know what the truth of the situation actually is.

[–]Personplacething333 12 points13 points  (6 children)

There are actually Academi and ZTI private security involved.

[–]fofosfederation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, but I don't think these people were the contractors.

[–]bulletdeer 15 points16 points  (11 children)

Do cops even take an oath to the Constitution?

[–]Mrpoodlekins 62 points63 points  (9 children)

They have no requirement to protect people or actually do there jobs. There only duty is to protect property.

[–]strain_of_thought 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Wait so does that mean you could actually sue a cop for failing to protect a slave from harm, but not a person?

[–]goobervision 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And Qualified Immunity would protect them anyway.

[–]Mrpoodlekins 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Pretty much

The Fugitive Slave Clause states that freedom seekers "shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due", which abridged state rights because forcing people back into enslavement was a form of retrieving private property

[–]SlimyDino 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Communist! Hello fellow comrade

[–]NickatinaGold 12 points13 points  (4 children)

ROSS MACDONALD’S SKETCHBOOK

Can you give a link for the source to this image? A google search of Ross Macdonald's sketchbook doesn't turn up anything helpful.

[–]outlawsoul[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Sure. It is from Airmail, scroll down to the bottom and you will see it. (Though to view the full sketchbook you'll need to subscribe and wait for the full issue.)

[–]NickatinaGold 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Awesome, thanks so much. Free subscription for students.

[–]3fra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This artist is pretty hard to find on social media not even sure he has any, but if you haven't found it yet here is his website! https://www.ross-macdonald.com/ I feel like such a square for wishing he had an instagram or twitter, but that really is such a convenient way of keeping up with my favorite artists

[–]PMmeyourdeadfascists 6 points7 points  (1 child)

voting is useless. organize and sacrifice something real. learn from the past months of street fighting: rioting can change more in 10 days than 10 years of voting. obama was as much of a fascist as trump with counterinsurgency to protest movements in the us and abroad he murdered children at funerals with impunity. go ahead and vote though. but besides voting please throw something on the line. sacrifice something if you really want to get rid of fascism

[–]DJWojak 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Unbelievable. It’s becoming a fascist country fast.

[–]Zero-Theorem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did those thugs even take an oath? Weren’t they just border patrol losers?

[–]PedalboardEspresso 531 points532 points  (8 children)

I can't remember seeing anything as pathetic in my life as the armored officer who started wailing on Christopher David with his baton in response to the simple question "What of your oath?" The slightest challenge and he wastes no time in showing that he has nothing to make him strong besides a baton and anonymity.

So weak, so afraid, so undignified. Mr. David is 100 times the patriot that tiny man will ever be.

[–]SomeUnicornsFly 115 points116 points  (4 children)

these guys need to be unmasked, doxxed and shamed worse than the karens in our grocery stores.

[–]MasterYenSid 65 points66 points  (0 children)

these racist, anti-intellectual karens are a menace to society. but these armed feds beating unarmed protesters are repulsive and quite frankly a bigger threat to the fabric of our nation right now. i'm not saying that the repugnant racism of karens should be ignored; it's just clear that one of these entities has the potential to actually maim and kill.

[–]annul 30 points31 points  (0 children)

these guys need to be unmasked, doxxed and shamed

among other things

[–]Meatslinger 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Shaming doesn’t work on them, because they aren’t ashamed. They want minorities to die at their hands. They want to beat civilians within an inch of their lives to uphold an authoritarian regime in which they have control. They revel in the fact that an entire taxpayer-funded system keeps them above reproach and out of jail. Shaming them works about as well as telling a schoolyard bully that his victim is being the better person by not being violent in response; your judgment falls on deaf ears because he doesn’t want to be right, he just wants to get his rocks off by torturing someone else. It’s not a moral argument; it’s a kink.

[–]RockyRocket2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I would ask though, if they're not afraid of their identity being visible, then what other reason is there to hide it?

[–]babwawawa 45 points46 points  (0 children)

You gave words to what I felt as I watched. Thank you.

[–]YOjulian 66 points67 points  (0 children)

I keep seeing people say he got "two broken bones" in his hand. It's true they broke bones but please do not leave out that he will also need surgery to repair these bones. Broken bones suck, but what happened to this man is far worse. He could have permanently limitations to the functioning of his hand depending on his healing process.

Source: The man himself.

[–]vomit-gold 262 points263 points  (13 children)

Hey y'all, just wanna say, uhh the comments get shit from here on out. its a doozy.

[–]Fredex8 116 points117 points  (3 children)

That's what I was counting on. Always love to see the bottom comments on stories like this to judge the pulse of America.

Diagnosis: cardiac arrhythmia.

[–]Hauberk 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Oh same here, I can't help but roll around in the bad take slop at the bottom like I'm at a zoo.

[–]Sellulose 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Diagnosis: cardiac arrhythmia.

Can't wait for asystole

[–]MasterYenSid 7 points8 points  (0 children)

beep. beep. beeeeeeeee

[–]SarcasmisEasier 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Wow. You were not kidding. I took a peek expecting an experience like wading into the deep end of a pool. Going past your comment is like jumping off a cliff.

[–]quahknob 64 points65 points  (11 children)

So the riot cops. Is this fun for them? Why dont they just play a sport to get out the aggression. I get they wanna do what they're told, but like, seems they take orders into interpretation. I dunno, it's like they want violence.

[–]strawman2027 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Read about or watch the movie or documentary on the Stanford experiment. With college kids pretending to be correctional officers. The psychology behind it is scary, scared me more than any creepypasta.

[–]ldb 22 points23 points  (2 children)

If i'm not mistaken I believe that experiment was completely debunked as a sham, and that the ones running the experiment prompted the participants to behave in specific ways to fit a narrative they wanted to share with the media.

[–]strawman2027 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The abu ghraib prison an others defiantly weren't faked and showed sorta similar results.

[–]banana_12345 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yep, that professor wanted a specific result so bad that at one time called a "guard" in his office to give him shit for being to soft on the "prisoners". He abused a bunch of students and got away with it. He should have never been able to work in academia ever again.

[–]DatDontImprezaMeMuch 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Well they don't have souls. And it based on news articles it sounds like there's a good chance they're also mercenaries, not actual military or federal forces. So they get a bonus every time they beat the shit out of someone for no reason.

[–]ironhide24 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Do you have a source for that? I'm legitimately curious

[–]oofthemailman 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I wish people spent 30 seconds linking the source instead of just saying “news article” because even if it’s true I will never take it as fact.

[–]Totally_Cubular 94 points95 points  (4 children)

Godspeed, you absolute unit. You will be remembered forever in the depths of the internet.

[–]ZiggoCiP 112 points113 points  (16 children)

My little brother, who leans particularly right of center (mainly because of guns and anti overt PC rhetoric) is a USMC combat veteran who served in Afghanistan.

I was quite surprised when I heard he went out and protested in Columbus, serving as protection for those who needed it, since he's a massive guy and an MMA fighter.

He said there were moments where he was more afraid of those riot police than he was of insurgents, since he knew he couldn't risk attacking the riot police.

He described it as more of a war-zone at times than actual war-zones he served in.

The veterans saw dystopia first hand - they have your back, even though a great many struggle with PTSD and suicidal thoughts.

[–]Boriss_13th_Child 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Well these riot pigs are the same kind of blind evil as insurgents, just with better training and equipment.

[–]kingwhocares 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Most of those "insurgents" are defending their home from an occupation force that comes in bombs their homes and when they kill civilians, there are no repercussions for those involved. Are Americans too dumb to see this?

[–]Recognizant 22 points23 points  (1 child)

In my experience arguing that exact point, yes. Yes, Americans generally don't seem to be able to get that. They are generally completely unable to view things from the perspectives of the citizens of other countries.

It wasn't until 2014 or so that I started to make headway that unilaterally invading countries and bombing people from drones is a fundamentally problematic approach that typically creates more problems than it solves.

[–]krokuts 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They kinda are, they can't fathom how their country isn't always lawful good they see it as.

[–]ZiggoCiP 7 points8 points  (2 children)

At least they don't use IEDs though.

He did note that although he had fear - that he at no point considered himself to be in any sort of peril like he was in Afghan. The fear of being blown up by an IED is something no one should ever experience constantly for weeks on end.

Also, his experience with the rules of engagement taught him remarkable restraint, and he's a very intelligent man. He was there in a capacity to pick people up and defend against counter-protesters and rioters acting in bad faith.

He was surprised by the aggression of the police though.

[–]Boriss_13th_Child 3 points4 points  (1 child)

He saw the police unmasked, like minorities do every day.

[–]ZiggoCiP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, technically everyone was wearing a mask.

Also he's no stranger to law enforcement. He and I have both been detained and taken into our local PD - which I should note is the absolute chillest PD around - a few times. Once together.

We were totally innocent. I got to argue with a cop at the age of 17. It was really lame but I had my story 100% honest and correct.

My little brother tagged a middle school. We know what's up. Thanks for the concern though.

[–]RiffRaff_A_Handyman 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Hey mods, you guys going to ban all these accounts in here brigading? In this thread there are like a hundred people commenting saying this vet was trying to burn down a federal building, that's why he was beaten. Yes, it's laughably ridiculous since his beating is on video but so many accounts couldn't be coming here saying the same retarded shit unless they were brigading from somewhere.....

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    [–]Sqeaky 157 points158 points  (33 children)

    This is of course illegal. I think it it perfectly ethical to respond to fascists and tyrants with any kind of force. But it is illegal, and the fundamental root of power of any government is its ability to retain a monopoly on violence.

    [–]fieldy409 84 points85 points  (12 children)

    Arguably the second amendment never said you had to arm yourself with a gun...

    [–]derrida_n_shit 36 points37 points  (5 children)

    That's why I've been developing pocket nukes

    [–]hawkeye122 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    There is an historical precedent to it being applied to the purchase of cannons for a civilian merchant ship

    [–]Nuclear_rabbit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Heck, the battle of Concord was about a guy who stole a British cannon and hid it in his garage.

    [–]bionix90 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You just wait until I pull out the bears.

    [–]L3D_Cobra 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Molotovs are a constitutional right

    [–]1122Sl110 34 points35 points  (9 children)

    What they’re doing is ALSO ILLEGAL

    [–]MajorMalafunkshun 20 points21 points  (3 children)

    The legality here seems less important than enforcement. Sure, it's illegal for cops to assault civilians who are exercising their (constitutional first amendment) right to peaceably assemble. The offending officers could potentially be charged, but we know in the vast majority of cases they won't receive anything stronger than a pat on the back.

    [–]CToxin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Its also why they do stuff like create curfews, ban "unlawful assembly" and then call everything an "unlawful assembly" and have things like "resisting arrest" as a crime.

    [–]zvug 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I HEAVILY disagree.

    A lot of times they receive a firm handshake, paid vacation, and legend status within the dept.

    [–]ralphthwonderllama 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Not if they do it.

    [–]cloudedknife 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    If it's "legal for the president to do it," it's legal for the president to tell someone to do it.

    [–]strain_of_thought 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    "Legality" has been a meaningless concept in U.S. jurisprudence for decades. The question you should be asking is what is enforceable?

    [–]Culverts_Flood_Away 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Only if they're prosecuted, charged, and penalized for it.

    [–]EdgyChild 27 points28 points  (5 children)

    Of course, nobody here would ever want to incite any kind of political violence, especially against federal agents.

    [–]madpappo 21 points22 points  (3 children)

    Dont need any secret police whisking anyone away in the middle of the night

    [–]Sqeaky 33 points34 points  (2 children)

    I hope it is dangerous for secret police in the United States. We have more guns than people and a 2nd and 4th amendment that theoretically makes using lethal force on them in our homes legal. We also have a 1st amendment that makes what I am saying here legal. But mostly we have an ethical imperative to speak up against tyrants.

    I fear that this is actually a country by the money, for the money. Because I cannot defend against trained and armed mercenaries or soldiers if they choose to attack me and money can make them choose.

    Collective action is required.

    [–]ChiefEthan 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Unity, and collective action is indeed required. Unfortunately imaginary sides have been created and they're incredibly effective at preventing such unity.

    [–]Goat17038 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Of course not, we were only talking about a hypothetical situation, in Minecraft (obviously)

    [–]_you_are_the_problem 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    There’s what’s legal and there’s what you can do. The government has been showing us just what it can do. Let’s not be surprised when the citizenry starts doing the same.

    [–]KingOfDisabledBadger 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I took an oath to uphold the constitutional rights of all American citizens, and to defend those rights against all enemies, foreign or domestic.

    When the police designate themselves as the enemy, it is only legally right that I hold up my end of the bargain, it's what I signed up for in the first place. Never anticipated having to pay attention to the "domestic" part too, but they want a war, that's clear as day. I think it's time we showed them just what the repercussions of their actions are. There are millions of not-cops, to less than a quarter of a million cops, whom have finite resources. Sure, DHS bought a shitload of bullets some ten years ago, but who's gonna shoot them when there's no water to drink, or food to eat? Who's gonna fill the boots of the tyrants when new tyrants become scarce?

    [–]AnthraxCat 19 points20 points  (12 children)

    Nitric acid will just fuck up their goggles/masks, which is still a good way to neutralise them in the moment but won't do damage like they do damage to folks. Also that tactic has extreme risk of collateral damage to yourself and your comrades, especially from vapours. Also you'd get yourself charges for assaulting a federal officer with a deadly weapon (and some jurisdictions have extra penalties specifically for acid attacks). You can accomplish the same outcome without the big risks by throwing water balloons full of glitter paint at them.

    If you want to throw nitric acid to maim them rather than disable them, then there are also much better, old fashioned answers to that goal.

    Don't need to reinvent the guillotine.

    [–]TiredMurse 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    True, the guillotine would suffice.

    [–]slavicslothe 17 points18 points  (3 children)

    Luckily they’ve left portland despite our snowflake president declaring they would not leave.

    [–]BenCelotil 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    Use rotten potato juice. Harmless but will make people puke.

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

    "violence solves anything"

    [–]D0esANyoneREadTHese 37 points38 points  (1 child)

    Violence is never THE answer, but it's always AN answer

    [–]RealChris_is_crazy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I like this. this is quotable

    [–]CToxin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    "Anyone who has said 'violence never solves anything' wasn't using enough violence"

    [–]KingOfDisabledBadger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Protesting clearly solves fuck-all so what else is there to do? Let's occupy the streets for a few more months, getting tear gassed and shot and kidnapped and assaulted and falsely arrested, maybe they'll get rid of Uncle Ben next!!

    Fucking pacifists. Want all the change in the world, won't do a God damn thing to obtain it.

    [–]8675309isprime 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    They can also spray JHP if a precedent has been set of protestors attacking them with acid.

    [–]gynoidgearhead 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    This is my bigger concern than just "~violence never solves anything!~" platitudes -- escalating to something like acid attacks against police will mean that they'll resort to lethal force earlier, more often, and more proactively; and that will affect anybody who has to deal with police officers in any even slightly antagonistic circumstance.

    It's conceivable that someone will decide that that's what it takes to effect real change - I hope not - but that's one of several ways that this could get even more violent really fast.

    [–]Maria-Im-Drunk47 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    “This is what we were fighting for..?”

    “Always has been...”

    [–]onekingdom1 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Amazing

    [–]aragon_1399 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    This looks straight outta an anime, where the next panel is gonna be all the police dudes lying on the ground and this dude not having moved an inch.

    Honestly, though, it’s insane what’s happening in the States

    [–]Buceteiro 177 points178 points  (27 children)

    LMAO the US military complaining about fascism, when they deliver it worldwide and have done so for the last 60 years.
    Thank you for your service, we sure couldn't blow up those schools and hospitals without you.

    [–]bulletdeer 107 points108 points  (6 children)

    Shut your mouth and thank me for my service, you little punk. I'll have you know that those schools and hospitals were drone struck because they were threats to Freedom™ and Democracy™. A bald eagle is crying next to an Italian right now. Fuck you. Punk.

    [–]derrida_n_shit 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Real talk. What the fuck is it with Italians going viral as of late? Is it all just due to the Columbus statues controversies?

    Also, I think the politically correct term is Spaghetti Americans.

    [–]Specificz 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Can we get this on a shirt pls

    [–]aazav 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Spot fucking on.

    [–]cosmonath 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    This reminds me that this kinda happened here in the Philippines. Police shot a person they said that he is armed not knowing the person they killed is ex-military with ptsd. And no guns are seen in crime area until they took his bag and told the media otherwise.

    [–]RebelArmsGaming 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Please make a shirt

    [–]returnofthequack92 7 points8 points  (7 children)

    Not sure if a lot of people know this but, I’m in the U.S military and you virtually have 0 first amendment rights. You cannot openly criticize the sitting U.S president without reprisals (even though I heard PLENTY of criticism about Obama) if you do you’re subject to UCMJ legal action, not to mention “off paper” punishment from your superiors.

    [–]TrashAngel350 20 points21 points  (25 children)

    As a Canadian observing I am both sad and terrified for you country

    [–]Thoht3GR8 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    I just hope people realize that when it comes to federal agents, they have an entirely different judicial system that is built around following orders. Asking questions like this to boots on the ground will never get you anywhere unless you’re a masochist. The fight has to be taken to the people who put them there in order to make a difference.

    [–]MiamiPower 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    That's F'ing crazy striking and unarmed naval officer veteran. Sprayed and broken bones sad man truly sad. Man they treated him and others like a party city piñatas. They should be arrested and convicted. Then taken to civil courts system to pay for what they done.

    [–]MrJeromeMonroe 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    USA is a joke. There are sooo many people who are against the president and his calls. But y'all still asking him to treat y'all right?? You know the things he's doing/allowing Are illegal and y'all still asking??? The racism system all over the country is less than the unity among the people of the country and STILL Y'ALL ASKING???!?!??

    [–]BlackWhiteCoke 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    This guy is a badass. Would love to see one of him holding the double middle fingers

    [–]Ahdamnreally 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Man that worker seems nonplussed about the pepper spray

    [–]filthyweeb2406 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    The Tank of the Boreal Valley

    [–]usriusclark 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Hey now, these men and women went to eight hard weeks for training.