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[–]8livesdown 3473 points3474 points  (152 children)

I worked that much when I was single.

It's hard to maintain a relationship and work that much.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 1517 points1518 points  (140 children)

Another thing. If your working that many hours.

How do you stop being single? Not like you got time to court a girl.

[–]NightmareMindset 1667 points1668 points  (70 children)

You don't. You're already married to the job, and she is very jealous of your time. In my experience, most women, especially in the early stages of a relationship, just won't be willing to put up with that.

"Oh, you have to cancel plans again, because you are being forced to work the weekend for the 3rd straight month in a row? No thanks."

[–]soaring-arrow 1234 points1235 points  (18 children)

Woman lurker here, and I used to work this much. It's the same in reverse.

Plus you're always exhausted, I never wanted to get to know someone. I just wanted to sleep or watch TV by myself.

[–]NightmareMindset 317 points318 points  (4 children)

It makes sense that it's the same across the board. Really, anyone who is too busy, spending time just becomes more of a chore for both parties involved.

[–]soaring-arrow 98 points99 points  (3 children)

For sure. I have a bad time managing my own alone time / relationship / friends and family. I always give up my alone time.

I'll figure it out one day hahaha

[–]AWholePerson 72 points73 points  (3 children)

Woman here and I can confirm, both me and the guy I’m seeing work long hours and we argue at least 3x a week about not having time for each other but neither of us can/are willing to budge. It’s not really sustainable to work that much and maintain a healthy relationship or start one x

[–]Calfer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hope you guys can focus on the little things that make it worth it!

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 75 points76 points  (0 children)

I feel like I should have been given a heads up.

But those people who do this do this for the pay and they aren’t teachers.

[–]savinliveshowboutU 106 points107 points  (28 children)

Exactly. I worked 90-100 he/week for 5 years, pulling 36-40 hour shifts every 4 days during surgical residency.

Once I finished residency (the proverbial “light at the end of the tunnel”), I put in 100-120 hr/week for 3 years. Incredible income, but now I’m 43 and still single.

I date quite a bit, but I’ve still had to cancel more dates than I make due to work and although I’m down to about 70 hr/week now, it takes an extremely understanding partner to tolerate such a lifestyle.

[–]Bananacircle_90 31 points32 points  (4 children)

How does one work 17 hours a day for a week?

[–]macaroni-and-sneeze 24 points25 points  (2 children)

24-48 hour call shifts. Have to stay in the hospital, get some sleep there if you can.

[–]iVannagwtanswers 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I do this. I work as an assistant in the NHS. I put in 16 hour days often. I have a psrtner but an angry boss becauae i often refuse to work overtime.

I drink lots of coffee and refuse to take any shit from my peers, time for a career change soon

[–]agutgopostal 26 points27 points  (2 children)

You only get one life my friend and you are letting yours be taken away.

I used to be like you and then cancer totally changed my perspective. I made it through and now I'm acutely aware of how I allow my time to be spent by others. Your time is both finite and important so you treat it as such no matter how upended it may cause things to be at first.

I forced it all back to 40 hours a week, "no, I'm not working overtime". Setting boundaries for everyone was cathartic beyond measure. Trust me once you start really exploring how people use your time you'll see how 'vampiric' they can be.

[–]Goodasaholiday 36 points37 points  (3 children)

It's insane that the medical profession ignores the science on sleep, work-life balance and safe workplaces. This not only ruins the health of frontline medical staff, but puts all the patients at risk too. What's the justification?

Edit: more a question for hospital administrations everywhere, not for you personally to answer.

[–]BLmotorcycleMale 13 points14 points  (1 child)

The larger issue is the lack of qualified persons and medical school being a filter, not a pump. We only have so many doctors and nurses, but if we reduce their working hours, then patients go untreated.

[–]o_0h 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Very sad

[–]strategoamigo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I work with a lot of physicians who work crazy hours like this. By 50, a lot of them are burnt out and on disability for mental health issues. The recurring theme is that they’ve wasted their life for a job, albeit a rewarding and high paying one. The trade off is pretty horrible when you look at it long term. You make good money but have nothing else.

[–]lemaxx 39 points40 points  (8 children)

This. I’ve definitely ended things with someone who lived to work. It didn’t feel great feeling like you’re never a priority. Ambition is great but not when it’s at the detriment of your personal relationships and mental health!

[–]spitfire9107 33 points34 points  (7 children)

My father was like that and throughout my childhood I was pretty lonely. Parents worked all the time. When I saw this picture on reddit, It reminded me too much of my childhood

https://imgur.com/VHHN10Q

[–]Th_Wr_ngL_tter 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well, that's depressing.

[–]saddingtonbear 4 points5 points  (4 children)

So you must really hate the song Cats in the Cradle

[–]8livesdown 136 points137 points  (14 children)

That's a great point. I met her at work.

I know you're not supposed to date coworkers, but as you said, where else will you meet someone if work is your entire life.

I switched jobs after we got serious to avoid conflicts of interest.

[–]unquietwiki 41 points42 points  (12 children)

My Dad's a retired postal worker and married another postal worker. They've been together longer than he was with my own mother, so it works!!!

[–]under_psychoanalyzer 26 points27 points  (11 children)

Yea bro because there ain't no conflicts of interest sorting mail.

[–]ullric 51 points52 points  (10 children)

I did pretty well in my sales job for the first year working 60-65 hours/week. I stumbled into a relationship at the 1 year mark on the dot because she aggressively pursued me.

Then my sales performance dropped because I dropped to ~50-55 most weeks and I was at risk of losing my job.

[–]Yellowsuga 14 points15 points  (9 children)

What did you do? Choose the job or the girl?

[–]ullric 47 points48 points  (7 children)

Neither

I wanted out of the job before girl and was working on an internal lateral move. About a year after I started dating the girl, a different lateral move was available which I gladly took.

My work week dropped from 50-65 hours a week, 2 weekends/month working, and ~5 days off a year (not paid because no commission was earned) to 35-40 hours/week, a half day on the weekend once a quarter, and ~33 days of PTO. Pay dropped from 115k to 70k.

I stayed with the girl and stayed with the job until the lateral move opened up.

[–]Yellowsuga 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Get financially stable and then court a girl?

[–]bobdole12122Male 19 points20 points  (1 child)

court a girl.

I like the cut of your jib

[–]ChokaTot 7311 points7312 points  (267 children)

I yearly averaged 60-70 hours per week at a job for several years. I've had solid months where I'm working 80-90 hours per week.

After a while you just become numb to it. Than one day you realize you're unhappy with your not existent life

It's doable, but you're literally selling large chunks of your life instead of chunks of your day.

[–]ICurseYouMe 2123 points2124 points  (123 children)

After a while you just become numb to it. Than one day you realize you're unhappy with your not existent life

This, pretty much. Worked similar hours, realized I had no life, but the money was good, had to debate between the cash or the mental health. Some can do it, some can't.

[–]Icandothemove 1141 points1142 points  (68 children)

I worked 80-100 hour weeks for 3 years.

I’m a pretty laid back, easy going guy. I legit day dreamed about suicide at the end. To be clear, I never seriously considered pulling the trigger on it, but I’d be driving home from my night job as a bartender at 2 AM, knowing I was getting up at 6:30 when my girlfriend woke up to get ready to go to work at my day job by 7:30, and I’d fantasize about drifting across the freeway in front of semis.

But I was homeless in my early 20s, and that shitty period completely changed my life. So... like it’s hard for me to say it was a bad decision to work that much. It certainly wasn’t healthy.

I can easily work 60 hour weeks now, as long as I like my job. I think I’d refuse to go over that though except for extremely short term stints- like I probably work 65-80 hours trade show weeks but they’re literally one week then I take a couple extra days off/travel days. I wouldn’t do that on-going anymore.

[–]ThePasquatch 291 points292 points  (43 children)

I worked a job where I had to hike around 12-15 miles a day , the trail looked the same at each bend & sometimes I’d have to stop myself from actually falling off the edge !

[–]i-can-sleep-for-days 119 points120 points  (39 children)

You got paid to hike and you hated it? I mean if it is the same trail everyday but hiking is supposed to release endorphins and make you happy?

[–]ThePasquatch 274 points275 points  (35 children)

Hiking everyday with 80 pound packs and sledge hammers , same trail everyday ! Don’t get me wrong I fucking loved it and I live for that but sometimes things got loopy haha & then coming back to camp and doing chores till 9pm for 6 months straight

[–]jswissle 69 points70 points  (17 children)

Had a similar gig in the US national parks. Tiring but I loved it

[–]edude76 30 points31 points  (16 children)

As a young person with an opportunity to work at a national park would you recommend it?

[–]Eode11 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Trail construction and maintenance? I did that for a summer for USFS. Worked in inyo natnl forest. Ok job, great experience, never want to do it again.

[–]ThePasquatch 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I’d do it for pennies if I could it’s really liberating, I worked in Klamath

[–]undrhyl 26 points27 points  (10 children)

Sledgehammers? What were you doing exactly?

[–]ThePasquatch 57 points58 points  (8 children)

Trail work in national forest , building trails, retaining walls buncha hoopla

[–]skyxsteelMale 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Oooo I bet that was fun building trails. That's something you can come back to with family and say, "I made this".

[–]ThePasquatch 87 points88 points  (5 children)

“ look son i shit there “

[–]Luger_9090 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Exhibit installation? I was just starting out in that trade till the rona hit. I miss it.

[–]Icandothemove 35 points36 points  (7 children)

No, just an exhibitor. I only have a handful each year and I don’t even have to show up until our shit is already up. I’m spoiled.

I got out of the trades when I realized I wasn’t making enough to justify destroying my body anymore. In large part because I learned 3 instead of spending 15 years in one.

[–]Luger_9090 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Thanks for the reply! Sadly, I think im at the point where im justifying destroying my body for $. Maybe this new job will offer something better and less damaging lol.

[–]deane_ec4 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I’m currently working 60ish hours a week as a therapist due to the pandemic and I am so emotionally exhausted and it’s only been 3 months at this intensity. I’m not suicidal, but I regularly find myself fantasizing how nice the hospital stay would be if I tried. No idea how you managed 80hrs

[–]Reganato 119 points120 points  (14 children)

I don't really think anyone can do it. Selling your life off for cash is one of those things that is kind of unbearable to realize 10 years later. You may think you're fine with it as it goes on, but after the time is lost and you look back things get really hard.

[–]odlloydMale 80 points81 points  (10 children)

Problem is how we live in such a money dominated and focused society. Even as someone who will never intrinsically care for money, I'm constantly learning about just how powerful money is over people.

[–]Reganato 132 points133 points  (3 children)

It's super powerful, but that's what makes employers like this dangerous. You think you're getting what you want, but if you don't have time to spend it ... that catches up to you. I also think the reasoning is perverse. I'm sure a guy like Elon sits there and says "it's totally normal to work these insane hours, I did and look at where I am." without ever once realizing that he was working on his own personally fulfilling vision and building his own company and that these people ... are working on that same vision, not their own, and that they will never reap the real benefits of it's success.

[–]redfullmoon 62 points63 points  (2 children)

without ever once realizing that he was working on his own personally fulfilling vision and building his own company and that these people ... are working on that same vision, not their own, and that they will never reap the real benefits of it's success

THIS. Exactly this. Basically you're selling a chunk of your own life to realize someone else's vision and they take credit for that success. I realized this after working at a start up where the owners were hardly ever present, where bad business decisions abounded, and where they were quick to take credit for underlings' efforts to make sure the company delivered and they didn't look like idiots to clients. This is what encouraged me to go my own way.

[–]AttackPug 21 points22 points  (0 children)

"The entrepreneur takes his employees up on a high hill overlooking a grand mansion and says, 'Someday, if you work very hard, all of this will be mine'." - Some douchebag with a popular book

[–]One__upper__ 126 points127 points  (12 children)

I did this right after college for a few years. Two jobs and then after I bought a multi-family from working those two jobs the rest of my spare time was spent fixing up the units. Absolutely sucked and all kind of a blue, but i put myself in a great financial position for the rest of my life in exchange for a few whitey years.

[–]DisillusionedReality 33 points34 points  (10 children)

This is my current plan. Currently got job #1 working remote easy peasy trying to get remote job #2 and make 70-80k+ a year first yr out

[–]StupidDogYuMkMeLkBd 52 points53 points  (1 child)

To piggy back I think having an end goal helps. A "in X amount of time im leaving" helps alleviate the doom and gloom of not having a life. I work 60 to 70 hours for 7 months. The employees are what kept me afloat. They were really down to earth and it was a fun environment which jokes and stories and "go get me a left handed screw driver" stuff. No drama, and I was making the most amount of money I ever made. Work was my life, and people like seperating them but if youre working that many hours you cant seperate them. You have to have a good time working to work like that. Its doable like you said, and its not for everyone.

[–]RoadSodaRed 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Bruh...that’s exactly how my job is, except it’s at night in the winter, outside on a mountain, making snow. Great team of people, some really dark humor, and the fact that it only lasts 5-6 months makes it actually fun (for a awhile) But the hours catch up with you 60-70 for months doing physical work will wear you down mentally and physically, I’m sure the shifted sleep cycle doesn’t help though

[–]Carcinus_maenas 52 points53 points  (8 children)

Wtf is the cash doing if you're at work all the time? May as well skip to tge end and kill yourself with a full bank account.

[–]bigjdman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

livings expensive man

[–]LifeIsAPepeHands 202 points203 points  (32 children)

When I did 70+ hour work weeks it was 18 hour days, 3pm-9am (sometimes later if the residents weren't cooperative that morning). I'd get home around 9:30 AM on a good day, wake up at 2pm and go back to work. I actually did get sick from it and felt physical effects from it. Never again.

[–]VanGlam 31 points32 points  (26 children)

So curious... what type of job?

[–]Giant_Anteaters21M 58 points59 points  (23 children)

They're talking about residents...so probably either a doctor or medical student.

Which sucks cuz I'm entering med school this year -_-

[–]LifeIsAPepeHands 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Worse, you can say no to things because you have a license you need protect. I had no certifications working in group home care passing medications unsupervised, including controlled substances and an insulin pen. I often worked alone for 18 hours in a 7 lady home that had varying degrees of behavioural issues and mobility (one was in a wheelchair, and 2 had walkers). After doing my CNA courses I realized how much they took advantage of us.

[–]Im_A_Girl_Damn_It 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Honestly probably working in a nursing home and residents referring to patients, not doctors. I’m a nurse in a nursing home and work crazy hours like that, so do most of my coworkers. I did 56 hours this week and usually work anywhere from 50-70

[–]OV3NBVK3D 113 points114 points  (1 child)

This so much. Been working 65hrs and traveling each week since February. Asked for a raise and my boss said “ehhh idk”. That was three months ago. After asking once a week for 12-14 weeks I just stopped asking for one. I moved, and since I’ve moved, I’ve actually been at home 4 weeks (only the last two consecutively). I moved at the end of March. My roommates dogs finally realized I actually live here, but I still get confused barks when I come home. Being underpaid sucks but working unhealthy hours sucks more.

[–]pyropalooza666 21 points22 points  (0 children)

you've got a way with words. I'm sorry your life sounds so tired. It'll get better...because it kinda has to.

-From one unfairly overworked person on reddit to another

[–]kerthil 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Done it for years until my daughter was about 6months old and i only saw her once a week for a few hours. I decided it's time to change and now I'm only working 45-50 per week, home in time to spend a few hours per night with her and the whole weekend.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 118 points119 points  (11 children)

Yeah I feel like I’m tired and depressed and I only work 50 these weeks.

[–]Architeckton 37 points38 points  (4 children)

You’re burning out. If everyone you work with is also doing 50+ hours, it’s systemic. Is recommend talking to your boss, therapy, and/or looking for a new job with less hours.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Everyone’s saying “you’ll get used to it”. While looking depressed at work.

[–]Architeckton 39 points40 points  (0 children)

They’re in the same “numb stage” the other user mentioned. I was doing 50-60 at my last job. Burnt out and got a new job. Much happier now, even when I have to work more than 45 hours. Therapy also helped me have tools to mentally release work thoughts so it wasn’t weighing on my mind.

[–]Vigilante17 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I did 50 for a while after doing 40 for a decade. No thanks. I’m opting for 40 or less now. If I can make ends meet with 30 I’ll do that when I can.

[–]asedelax97 22 points23 points  (2 children)

For Comcast I used to work 80 hours a week on average. But I enjoyed the job, I was good at what I did and I was making relatively good pay especially since I was still living with my parents and just out of hs

[–]BobbingForBunions 35 points36 points  (1 child)

I did this, too, while building my business.

Fifty hours a week at the corporate job. Thirty to 50 hours a week building the business (early mornings, evenings, and weekends). I did this for several years.

I had no social life. And I was essentially a cave dweller when I wasn't in the office. What's more, my health took a hit (lack of sleep, too much stress, too much caffeine, etc.).

I eventually quit my corporate job. I look back at that "lifestyle" in wonder and a little disbelief. At my current age, it would definitely put me in an early grave.

[–]Kianna9 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Do you have to think the whole time or just be there? I literally am stupid after a certain # of hours of work per week. "Working" more would be a waste of time because I'd either accomplish nothing or just make a ton of mistakes.

[–]here_2_share 26 points27 points  (1 child)

It’s doable. I did 65-70 all year. Then for about three months a year it was around 80. Stayed for a few years, made bank, and then left to take a job that paid basically the same with almost 1/2 the hours.

Sometimes it’s just something you have to do to learn the ropes and get established well enough to say adios muchachos without any regrets.

[–]Commitment69 414 points415 points  (7 children)

Currently working this as a corporate lawyer, you just numb yourself and accept a reduction in how "alive" you are. My friday nights and most of the weekend is just spent sleeping.

[–]PumbaofSherwood 98 points99 points  (1 child)

I get off work and prepare to go back to work lol. I treat myself with nice dinners though! If I didn’t do that I’d probably be miserable. This week is Japanese food and delicious egg rolls!

[–]wuthering_height 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If I know I’m having a long day at work or it’s Friday night (and let’s face it, I usually have no plans due to covid) I’ll treat myself with food. Not usually anything fancy (I usually cook and I make fairly tasty meals) but something I can’t replicate exactly at home like pizza, sushi or Chinese or something like that. Makes the day a little better. Egg rolls also sounds so good right now. I love them but the calorie count kills me, so I reserve them for special occasions lol.

[–]ObliviousOblong 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Do you plan on leaving your job after banking money? Don't you feel like you should be living your life? Sorry not trying to make you feel bad just genuinely wondering

[–]JOSimpson 1666 points1667 points  (63 children)

50 hours is a lot but doable. 60-70 hours consistently is very difficult because there is no work life balance. I had a roommate who worked at a Big4 accounting firm and he would work 6 days a week, 8.30am to 8-9pm plus commuting. That schedule was only from January through April but he was miserable the whole time, and would spend December's with anxiety because he was thinking about the coming misery. I don't know how he did it honestly.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 402 points403 points  (30 children)

I feel like I could be ok if it was only a few months.

But the norm being that every day? The hell

[–]theteenyemperor 306 points307 points  (20 children)

Pretty normal for Big4... thing is, this is seen as an accelerated path to a much better position at another firm, e.g. 5 years of this would equal 10 years of experience in an accounting department. And the pay becomes very good as you progress.

Consulting gets even crazier, because it's long hours *and* stressful all the time.

It's an insane culture, to be honest...

[–]AGuyHasNoUsername 62 points63 points  (18 children)

Can you please explain with consulting? Because its the field I want to get into.

[–]powntown 132 points133 points  (2 children)

Client needs come first, always. It doesn’t matter how long it takes you to finish, you finish it on schedule. You better be job chargeable as well. Finish a task early? Find another one. There’s no slowing down, because if you don’t keep your clients happy they won’t be your clients much longer.

It’s a high stress but very lucrative field. Not all consulting firms are like this, but the ones worth working for are.

[–]theteenyemperor 89 points90 points  (12 children)

There's actually a sub for that, r/consulting. I don't follow it because it reminds me of work.

The short answer is: it's stressful because you need to do things right in significantly less time than it should reasonably take and you don't have everything you need until halfway through a project. Oh, and you have to look good doing it.

And bear in mind that clients don't just call in the consultants as Business as Usual. It's usually a problem they would rather not touch.

The constant pressure of exemplary performance under uncertainty, time constraints, and shifting priorities is what makes it hard.

Also there is/was travel, usually flying early so you can be on client site at 10 in the morning.

It's super interesting, though. You are constantly challenged, but you also get to see and experience a lot more much quicker than the equivalent in "industry". You will learn to get along with anyone, manage up, down, sideways. You will learn to navigate complex politics. You will learn how to get useful conclusions even if you don't understand a subject matter in detail.

[–]ThatCooganKidMale 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Am consultant, can confirm but honestly I really enjoy it. It’s exciting

[–]JOSimpson 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Even so he would get sick once or twice a season. The daily alcohol use also probably wasn't helping.

[–]songbird563 79 points80 points  (0 children)

Accountants get fucked Feb-April. My mom was one. She lived 10 min from work. I was consistently bringing her dinner at least three nights a week, and I’d go with on Saturdays and help with paperwork when I was in grad school and living at home.

[–]blueblossoms20 45 points46 points  (15 children)

Currently in a Big4 accounting firm. And yep, it’s exhausting even if we get paid for overtime and meal/transpo benefits. Honestly, since I’m a fresh grad, I’m just using this as a headstart for meaningful work experience. My mind is set in stone NOT to stay longer than reaching seniority. Our staff turnover is insane in my branch. Just after this year’s busy season alone, we lost a third of our workforce. Pandemic didn’t help as our busy season was extended until July when the govt extended tax season.

[–]lksdshk 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Been in a BIG4 but did not go through that shit cause I hated audit

[–]Kappadar 48 points49 points  (1 child)

Don't drink the koolaid kids

[–]icelugger86 580 points581 points  (31 children)

Yea man, before lockdown I was working 65 (40/wk full time + 25/wk pt) and 2 seasonal jobs. It’s fucking exhausting and made me a zombie. And that was to just break even after bills and wife also working full time. The weekends weren’t even enjoyable, it was just to recharge for the next shitty week ahead. Good luck with your application! Hopefully it’s not too rough on you.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 247 points248 points  (12 children)

How do you work out and sleep? Like I go to work at 7, come home a 5, hit the gym till 7 and go to sleep at 9. But y’all work basically 8 to 9. Which means you just sleep and work. Like you’re in purgatory

[–]icelugger86 243 points244 points  (3 children)

Essentially, yes lol. So my night job is just me by myself, cleaning a building. So after a 7am-3:30pm shift, I come home and eat, play with my kids, catch a 20min nap (sometimes) then head out around 6:30pm for the night job. At the night job, I have to clean about 20 rooms. After each room is done, I do 5 push-ups and 5 body weight squats. Over the course of 5 hours it adds up. The fucked up part is once lockdowns started, I lost the part time and seasonal jobs. So I got to actually be home and read to my kids, have dinner with them, put them to bed. And I’ve only being doing this crazy schedule for 2 years, but I realized I missed so much of their day. They’re provided for, but I missed so much and that also weighs on your mind too, like ‘we have food and clothing and transportation, and a place to live, but I’m not around much.’ Sucks man.

[–]ba123blitz 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I work as a commercial mower and my day starts at 8 for work and lasts most days until 6-7 Monday through Saturday. In the spring it was 8am to 8-9pm Monday through Saturday with a couple sundays as well (so no days off between weekly routes) when I get home I just shower eat play games or watch tv for a hour then go to bed.

When I get time off I use it to do absolutely nothing but relax unless I really need to do something. But hey because of that I have my own place out in the countryside, about to go to school to run heavy equipment, and planning on buying a new Tacoma next spring/summer while being 20 years old so I’m happy.

The key is you have to enjoy what you do and enjoy the people you work with if not it’ll extremely suck.

[–]100dylan99Male 58 points59 points  (7 children)

How were two of you working that much and you were so broke? Do you have 12 kids or something?

[–]icelugger86 85 points86 points  (6 children)

We live in the northeast, 3 kids lol

Edit: student loans for grad school did not lead to a higher paying job

[–]VivianToujours 6 points7 points  (4 children)

What did you go to school for?

[–]icelugger86 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Went back for educational administration since I was already teaching. Certified as a supervisor, principal, and superintendent. But it seems like an issue that many people post about; they won’t hire you without admin experience, you can’t get admin experience because no one will hire you. I got a pay increase with the masters degree, but not anywhere close to paying for itself yet.

[–]MustardBranchesMale 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Ah teaching, woefully underpaid and you get to spend your own money on supplies.

[–]HailState2020 904 points905 points  (64 children)

It’s all about the pay. $11/hour 40 hours a week? Barely tolerable. $250,000/year 60 hours a week? I’ll manage somehow lol

[–]PumbaofSherwood 245 points246 points  (5 children)

This is how I see it. I work 60 hour weeks with good hourly pay and it’s legit! My 60 aren’t mandatory though so I can work a 40 hour week whenever I want and just take the weekend off. It’s nice and business is booming!

[–]Dontaskmemyname9723 10 points11 points  (4 children)

What kind of job do you have?

[–]PumbaofSherwood 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I do maintenance on automotive assembly robots etc..

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 92 points93 points  (40 children)

It would be 90 for 60

[–]ThatOneNibbaB 84 points85 points  (30 children)

$90/hr for 60 hours a week? sign me up lol that's like $280k a year my dude

[–]SaltyKrew 92 points93 points  (0 children)

think he means 90k for 60 hours

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 175 points176 points  (27 children)

90k fam. lol also salaried

[–]murphysics_ 106 points107 points  (0 children)

If you are an engineer, then you can likey get a better hours/pay ratio. It depends on what is important to you.

There are aerospace engineers who would take that job in a second, people that dreamed of building rocket ships since childhood. Space x knows this, so they have no incentive to pay more than that, or require less hours.

[–]Andrebeenjammin 164 points165 points  (30 children)

It becomes habit/routine . I done it for 15 years. From 16 - 31 . 64 hours was standard but i seen plenty of 90+ hour weeks , 24 hour shifts and one time a 36 hour shift. It was a physical job too. Id do 18 hrs on a sunday then 12 mon-fri as a standard routine but with deadlines to meet if we had to work round the clock thats what happened.

I never ended up sick (well bouts of unhappiness aside) . It kept me fit if anything im still in shape and ive never entered a gym in my life. It robbed me of my 20s though. The money kept me doing it I was making good money it was mostly out of hours so it was double time mostly. Always knew it wasn't sustainable but finally gave it up when my daughter got a little older . It was more important to be at home. I initially thought id go back to it when she was older but now you couldnt drag me back into that life.

[–]H_tbe 29 points30 points  (1 child)

What job was it if u don’t mind me asking

[–]Andrebeenjammin 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Refrigeration engineering. Fitting plant in supermarkets factories etc. New builds and re fits. I chose installations as a stupid 16 yo chasing money.

[–]VanGlam 19 points20 points  (1 child)

16-31? Construction?

[–]Andrebeenjammin 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yeah. The funny thing is a lot people with engineer as a title act like they're a cut above anyone else on a construction site like we weren't in construction but we're all sweating together on the same sites. We just got psid a bit more i hated that.

[–]NTF0 81 points82 points  (1 child)

“If you love what you do you never work a day in your life” - coke sniffing k-9

[–]Dr_Captain_America 415 points416 points  (118 children)

As a medical resident, we work ~60-90 hours per week, for several years (my program is 5). The hardest part is to maintain some sense of home balance. It’s hard. It sucks at time. But you do it. A kid who is bordering death will keep anyone awake enough to take care of them, even 27 hours into a shift.

At the end of a day, is a privilege to be doing what we’re doing. The pay sucks (per hour, it’s less than minimum wage). It’s a sacrifice of your 20s and 30s. I hope it’s all worth it one day.

A supportive spouse is the most helpful thing to survive this.

[–]SamuelLBronkowitz20 79 points80 points  (2 children)

Many residents also perform research on the side as well, correct?

[–]Shazamshazam2 108 points109 points  (0 children)

Yes, not to mention all of the unaccounted for hours of reading/studying, putting together presentations and performing research outside of the hospital. I also happen to be on several committees (did not know what I was getting myself into there) and somedays I just look at my schedule for the week and cry a little.

[–]Beecher-Frank 191 points192 points  (31 children)

I think it’s an outdated and frankly dumb system to make residents work that many hours. There’s lots of research showing that lack of sleep dramatically impairs decision making and cognitive function. I’m pretty sure there have been studies showing that doctors make more mistakes when working on inadequate sleep. Making residents work less hours could save lives. But maybe there’s not enough, idk.

[–]leavemealoneimdead 125 points126 points  (9 children)

Turns out the guy who designed the modern residency system for doctors was a super huge cokehead. Even after that all came out, the system stayed.

Probably because all the older doctors who went through it cling to the system. Sunk cost fallacy or something.

[–]unclefistyMeat Popsicle 111 points112 points  (2 children)

Sunk cost fallacy or something.

That and crab pot mentality. THEY had to suffer through the system and THEY came out just fine, these young whippersnappers can suck it up.

Seriously if part of being a doctor was having five people shit in your mouth every morning there would be people defending it because they had their mouths shat in.

[–]MeanLawLady 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I never knew there was a term for it! It is absolutely existent in the legal profession too.

[–]MustardBranchesMale 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's fucking everywhere. Shithead 22 year old E5s in the army that have never had an actual job will do the most asinine shit bc it's what they had to do.

[–]blandastronaut 7 points8 points  (2 children)

One of the biggest dangers and when the most mistakes in medical care are made is when care is transferred to different people or shifts switch. I don't know numbers or anything but have read this somewhere. If you take a patient and have fewer switches between attending doctors over the few days they're there in critical condition in a hospital, that doctor will continue to be more informed on that patient and there will be fewer things missed or messed up.

[–]arbybruceMale 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I’m surprised this comment wasn’t at the top! Residents work such long hours, by default, that it borders on insanity in my view. Unfortunately it’s what I’ll have to do if I am going to be a doctor someday (unless something changes soon).

[–]voltaires_bitch 21 points22 points  (10 children)

If you don’t mind me asking, ur telling me that a medical resident makes less then minimum wage? How much do you exactly make then? Is there like an average I should be looking at?

If you don’t. Feel comfortable answering that, I totally understand.

[–]BoneDoc78 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I finished residency about 6 years ago. When I started I was at a hospital system with one of the highest pay rates in the country, and made about $50,000 my first year. I averaged 80 hours a week and had 2 weeks off. So 4,000 hours at $50,000 I was making $12.50/hour pre-tax. For a person with a college degree and 4 year professional degree.

[–]Hsays 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is also if you don't count overtime at all. Someone making 8$ an hour would make $12 an hour after 40 hours least. So it's actually the same as working for about $9-10/hr at a regular job.

[–]emoplegia 16 points17 points  (0 children)

We're legally capped at 80 hours a week (on average, meaning I can legally work 80+ one week provided I work less the next week). But most programs will require you to lie about your work hours, so you work 80+ every week. And if you don't lie, you piss off your program director, which directly impacts your ability to apply for fellowships and jobs. So you just lie.

<60k / 80+ = $10-15 an hour.

[–]cattaclysmic 55 points56 points  (4 children)

As a medical resident, we work ~60-90 hours per week, for several years (my program is 5).

And thats why I am happy I have a union. My workweek is 37 hours like any other and everything else is overtime which the hospitals aren't keen to pay for.

At the end of a day, is a privilege to be doing what we’re doing.

How about some collective action and you can keep doing what youre doing without the burnout and suicides.

[–]savage-burr1ro 12 points13 points  (2 children)

How do you ever find a life outside of it. How did you find time to date someone and get married? Do you even have chance to hang out with anyone outside of work? It sounds like a hard life

[–]MustardBranchesMale 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You don't. Someone above was talking about how his wife would bring up things about their kids when he was a resident and they had zero memory of it happening.

[–]lovelydovey 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Yep. My husband is in a five year residency program. Does not follow the 80 hour restrictions and he works constantly it feels like. We have two kids, the youngest we had at the beginning of his second year (harder than intern year in his program). I went into the relationship knowing that he wasn’t ever going to a normal job (even before he got into medical school he never seemed like the 9-5 type), and I knew that I would be likely have to be a stay at home mom while he was in residency. There’s no way we could manage kids and give them any kind of constant normalcy if I worked too. We make the most of the time we do have with him. He might not always be home for dinner, but he tries his best to be there to tuck them in for bed. And he isn’t on call every weekend, so the weekends we has off we try to get out and do something. Take a day trip to do some hiking is most often what we end up doing (free and enjoyable for everyone!). If I was solely dependent upon him this experience would be terrible and I’m sure he would feel awful for dragging me along with him, but I have a good group of friends and a mom playgroup that gets together at least once a week for social time. I (used to) have my toddler in preschool a few times a week so I could have a break and run errands. I have a life outside of our relationship. I don’t think everyone is cut out to work like that, and I don’t think every spouse can handle their SO working like that. I keep reminding myself that it gets better though. He won’t always work these crazy shifts. His program, for as frustrating as it can be, is preparing him amazingly well for when he’s on his own. I am excited to get over this third year hump and start cruising to the end though.

[–]greenguy0120Male 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Worth it? You’re giving away the best years of your life for the possibility of a career in the future? I don’t know man, unless I was guaranteed to become a billionaire I would never agree to this kind of work hours. You have one life, nothing will give you these 20 years back.

[–]twizzle101 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's a really shit system though isn't it, and they have you thinking it's a privilege to work 90 hour weeks. Madness.

[–]yamomsass 131 points132 points  (7 children)

If you’re getting compensated for the extra hours, it’s not bad. But I’m salary at my jobs and don’t get overtime pay so I get assfucked and i can’t wait to quit

[–]NightmareMindset 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Only recently the pandemic has caused me to drop back down to 40 hours a week. Before that, I was working between 50-80 hours a week for more months than I care to count. The way I dealt with it was to just kind of "be somewhere else". Shut off the part of your soul that wants to be alive, and live through it like a waking nightmare. My job is extremely physical, with a lot of heat and inherent dangers. The idea that a wrong move or carelessness could cause injuries that kill or alter you, keeps you awake. But nothing will make you feel less dead inside, putting in that many hours for that long. I honestly try not to think about it, as much as I can.

[–]Rumble73 272 points273 points  (80 children)

I think it’s easier to work long hours when your reward is tied to it. I’ve been running hard for nearly 30 years. But I have a career where bonuses and commissions add up fast. And if you’re managing a a big team, you want to keep their motivation up since their collective success means you make bank. It’s easier to justify when you know it’s the difference between making say, 150k a year and 600k or more a year.

To sustain this over a long period of time you absolutely need to do some adjustments:

1) think work/life integration and not work/life balance. Lots of people separate work from personal. If you want to work hard and be healthy, you have integrate. Exercise when your conference calls that you don’t lead. Bring workout gear on business trips. Get in business with your real life friends or make friends at work personal so you can socialize and work at the same time. Chose books to read in downtime that are industry related instead of say a novel. Mould the business to your interests: want to run the city marathon? Field a team and get the corp to sponsor the team and all of a sudden you can train whenever you want during business hours with colleagues. Be personal friends with your clients so you golf outings or race track days or dinners are actually socializing as well as work.

2) learn to love the process. If you can find joy and pride in doing your work better, more efficient, earn more, it helps. Learn to enjoy being an executive or manager or mentor in that people so ask for your guidance and you’re in a position to help them or change their life. Many employees honestly may not have had a strong guiding person in their life so when they find it in a boss, the relationship grows and you can literally watch people mature and grow up over time. It’s quite satisfying.

3) get efficient. Non essential housework goes to domestic help. If you travel a lot, run two overnight bags. Streak eat the same breakfast, but the same work shirts, and take personal choice out of things that don’t matter. You can easily save hours a day by just automating or outsource everything that is non essential.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 85 points86 points  (5 children)

Point 1 seems to be something I was told to do opposite my whole life.

“Make sure to separate work and real life” was the advice (don’t shit where ya eat and so on).

I’ll look into that.

[–]Rumble73 77 points78 points  (2 children)

As long as you don’t do anything career ending, you will be fine.

I mean there are some rules:

Chose who you put your trust in. Find the like minded, confident and secure people that aren’t the corporate drones who have HR on speed dial or hyper ambitious dudes who think everyone is competition.

I wouldn’t date at work unless I really really fell in love with someone and she reciprocated and made the first moves.

Don’t do illicit drugs or talk about controversial political topics with coworkers that you don’t trust.

[–]MochiMochiMochi 13 points14 points  (13 children)

Sounds like you drank deep from the corporate Kool-Aid, enjoyed the experience and somehow remained sane & healthy. And you've reaped the financial awards.

Kudos, man. I've also worked 30 years but have never actually believed in what I was doing or forced myself to push through to some level of managerial status. I'm stuck at being an individual contributor (12 years now in tech consulting) and I'm competing with yet another crop of 29 year-old whiz kids.

You sound like my practice lead, and it's abundantly clear that he thinks I'm a total loser. I consider us both losers for not starting our own companies and doing something on our own terms.

I tell myself the only person I'll ever work more than 50 hours a week for is myself. But I know that's a 90 hour commitment, not a 60 hour commitment.

So here I am, stuck in corporate limbo and hating every minute of it. I suspect my story is distressingly common.

[–]Rumble73 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I appreciate you sharing. Your practice lead sounds like a douche! I fear corporate limbo the most. I experienced it for 3 years and I’m very allergic to it. And the only reason I experienced it was because I sold my company to a much bigger one and I had to run a division for them for 3 years before I got the other half of my money from selling the firm.

I don’t think I’ve drank from the look-aid at all. Outside when I had my own company, I still don’t give a shit about how the corporation is doing. I’ve moved companies roughly every 4 years so the stock grants I get are barely ever 100 percent vested. What I do care about is what I can control and what I can make from that control.

I avoided limo but choosing to be in Sales. In a sales org, of your numbers are unbelievably good, or you’ve built yourself into the position where the biggest clients and their owners/CEO’s only want to deal with you, you really can avoid all the bullshit companies make you go through. I found first line, second kind management roles soul sucking. The ones higher up start to be more stress from a job responsibility level, but way less bullshit.

Have you considered the sales aspect of your career? The trend in technical or complex industries means the old typical “finger gun shooting” gold pro Rolex watch wearing sales guy is dying and being replaced with highly seasoned technical people who know their shit.

[–]redd-whaat[🍰] 33 points34 points  (4 children)

This response is very accurate. Two kids, married 15 years, and have been working 65-70 hours a week for 20 years. More in the early 4-5 years.

It’s not a sprint but a marathon. But people who win marathons can still run every mile faster than I can run a one mile sprint.

There’s a mindset and an enjoyment to it. But it’s definitely something you need to integrate, not balance. When you try and balance you are trying to keep work and home separate. That’s impossible in today’s 24/7 workweek when you have a mobile phone and can always be reached.

I took a job where I did less for a few years and got bored out of my mind.

[–]stav_rn 57 points58 points  (19 children)

No offense towards how you live your life but this is intensely depressing to me and sort of makes me hate how this seems to be the expectation for how to live your life in the US these days

[–]omw_to_valhalla 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I feel the same way. It's fine if that's what you enjoy, but there's so much pressure to monetize everything in life.

I got into a high pressure, high paying career out of school. I was an automotive engineer in the biggest division in the biggest automotive supplier. I fucking hated it.

I now work about 25 hours a week managing the workshop at a small landscape company. I'm really happy with my job and have no desire to work more than this.

I work 4 days a week. I spend my day off (Monday) doing errands and grocery shopping. My wife and I get to spend our weekends together. It's great.

I'm only able to do this because my wife has a good corporate job that makes 80% of our money and has benefits.

[–]shepherdish 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I felt this way too!

I'm very "keep work and life separate." I didn't have my work email on my phone, and didn't check work email/messages while I was off work. I was good friends with my coworkers, but work stayed at work. I could have a conflict with a co-worker, but as soon as I was off, that conflict didn't interfere with our personal relationship. I work to live.

My husband is the opposite though. He works the long hours and answers work calls and emails while at home. He's not really close with his co-workers, they're all just acquaintances. He lives to work.

[–]Technical_WarthogShitlord 92 points93 points  (13 children)

How the hell is that sustainable for even a year.

It isn't, not in the long run. What makes you think it is?

Here's the deal: The video game and movie VFX industry runs purely on the enthusiasm of its workers. Which allows these companies to push harder and harder for additional hours, crunch time and low wages.

This is also true for giants like Google and Amazon. I imagine it's similar for prestigious companies like SpaceX and Tesla.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 74 points75 points  (6 children)

Can we all decide to just down the economy a little. Amazon now takes 2 days. An iPhone every 2 years. Just so that everyone can collectively chill

[–]ScreamingButtholes 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Bezos needs more billions now shut up and comply

[–]Technical_WarthogShitlord 27 points28 points  (1 child)

I think Corona already did that.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Yeah but without the looming rent crisis

[–]SamuelLBronkowitz20 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It is sustainable... for the company. After your time is up there are plenty of people in line behind you.

[–]Gurmanss 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I work 80 as a desiel mechanic make an ass ton of money but have to sell ur fucking soul

[–]narlycharley 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Can’t take your money with you when you die, right?

[–]TheRebelknight01 55 points56 points  (9 children)

If I put in 50 hrs a week it would feel like a vacation. I put in 80hrs. I worked 14 hrs a day 6 days a week ( if I didn't have to work the one day off I had) for 18 years.

Everyone in the factory worked those hours. We made ass loads of money but you miss out on life.

After 18 years I woke up one day and said I don't want to do this anymore. I put my 2 weeks notice in and then looked for a better place.

I found a place Monday thru Friday that doesn't pay anywhere close to what I did make but life is so much better.

[–]0lOgraM 5 points6 points  (5 children)

How can a factory avoid injuries and defects with that rhythm? It seems counterproductive at some point as your guy is losing efficiency and you are paying him more.

[–]framk20Two Y Chromosomes 72 points73 points  (5 children)

Any place that boasts that they're pulling >40 hour work weeks is absolutely not a place you want to involve yourself with. Yes, passion exists but quite often these people are the result of either poor project management or toxic work culture that breeds unimaginable burnout. You only have so much time on this earth, do not fall into the trap of giving your entire self to your job - it's never worth it

[–]W221S63AMGMale 60 points61 points  (9 children)

The tech industry (and consulting/gaming) has high expectations from its employees. With high expectations, comes longer work hours. If you fail to deliver, you’ll be out the door. Luckily, there are other career pathways that don’t require you to push over 40 hours.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 21 points22 points  (8 children)

Issue is I graduated with an engineering degree. ☹️

[–]Rolten 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Why would that be an issue?

[–]r4cid 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Automation is a good industry in my experience for lifestyle/work balance. Can make good bank doing sales too.

[–]Bakcakil 44 points45 points  (9 children)

I work between 0500-2200 7 days a week; and occasionally get a day or two off but this last year I pretty much averaged 110 hours a week.

It’s not fun, and it’s tiring but the job needs to be done and somebody has to do it.

Source: In the Navy, can’t wait till I go back to being a civilian.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Did you get to see the world though?

[–]Bakcakil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen enough lol. But yeah, the perks of the job (:

[–]swaite 16 points17 points  (5 children)

What the fuck? I have an extremely difficult time believing this unless you are a SEAL or EOD or similar. Even then, the military understands very well the effects of sleep deprivation/overwork, and this schedule would generally not be implemented for more than a few weeks at a time, and even then only in an extremely critical role.

So, what the fuck do you do?

[–]ElegantMankeyMail 81 points82 points  (11 children)

Currently I'm a soldier so on a good week I work 55 hours not including other duties I have like cleaning or when I used to it was also guarding (thank God for being promoted to not guard anymore). Combine that with always sleeping with 7 more guys and people in high ranks acting like the sun shines from their ass and it is tiring but it is what it is.

What holds me is knowing that I only have a year left.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Ever question how people do this stuff for decades? Like where’s the life

[–]ElegantMankeyMail 61 points62 points  (0 children)

In the military its simple, the higher your rank the better you live. As a Sargent I'm having a much easier time than a private

[–]Motorblank 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Welcome to Elon empire. I worked for Tesla that’s the normal.

[–]lefthook_hospital 29 points30 points  (1 child)

A lot of people have accepted this as part of their lives and put their head down to grind until retirement. It comes down to what's more important to you OP, if you value enjoyment of life more than career success go down that path. It's been drilled into our heads that having a great career is worth giving up a lot of time in other areas of your life but at the end of the day you get to choose.

Don't forget that life is fragile, you can grind year after year waiting for that retirement to come, but what if something comes up along the way and cuts that time short and you don't live long enough to reach that point? All those miserable years is what most of your waking life consisted of and you don't even get to enjoy the fruits of it. No relationships, no friends, no great memories, being tired all the time.

It's never too late to make a change, need to self-reflect what's for you.

[–]desertgrouch 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'll tell you how I did it for 14 years. Drugs and alcohol. Also, no family, friends, romance, etc.

Changed my life and career. Almost a year sober.

[–]Loveandlust17 37 points38 points  (2 children)

It's really upsetting to know that so many people are faced with these decisions. Personal and work life should be a healthy balance. Americans seem to especially believe that work work work is so important when in reality it's not. In my opinion we should all be working less. Cut out all the BS tasks and be more focused and productive during actual work hours. I'm all for a four day work/school week.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

We don’t preform better then our international peers either. We just get more bullshit side projects that end up not mattering.

[–]Yossarian287 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You can do it. Then look up and realize a few years have passed, if not more. Maybe a drinking problem. Definitely a fitness problem. All energy for thoughts outside of work projects gone. World seems dreary and gray. Stopped listening to music. No real attention to your partner

Or, so I've heard

[–]SoraDevin[🍰] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fuck that, I work 38 hrs a week and go home. My company may require some reasonable unpaid overtime but we're compensated with time off the week after or other gifts

[–]Washingtonian_WPA 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Im just going to say this having lived in South America and being from the US. The 40 hour work week that is pushed as ideal by corporate America is absolute bullshit. Its meant to make you compensated slaves to a certain degree. American corporate culture is all about pulling out what the company can benefot from you first and throw you in the used undergarments pile later when you burn out. In South America many people dont actually work 40 hrs a week really. Sure they are "on the job for 40 hrs" but the culture is task oriented. You take breaks that can range to hours in the middle and be alright as long as you complete your daily task. America is different. You arent expected to finish tasks for work but work meaninglessly for a certain amount of time. It is all bullshit not meant to provide for the workers but exploit the skills of the laborer.

[–]R000TKIT 9 points10 points  (5 children)

My boss(CYO) got fired during the downsizing after pandemic. My work doubled as I have to compensate for the deadline. I am doing around 90-100 right now. Did around 60-80 for past 2 years. You just get used to it. Obviously most people won't take up this type of task because they have other priorities in life and have other dependendents they need to look after. I don't mind it since I don't have a life to begin with and I can be of useful to someone so it gives me some hope to keep going.

[–]Sora2oo 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Well I actually like my job and the people I work with, make a lot of money, have ton of leeway to make more with good performance. I also genuinely have nothing better to do with my time. Especially with quarantine. I'm not ecstatic about it but I'm way happier at least knowing I can throw my time into something that going to pay off.

I also have no other time commitments or responsibilities so working 50-80 hours a week still works out to less time than I had to commit to obligations than I had while I was in college. I can sit around and be upset about my mediocre social life or I can let whatever happens happens and take full advantage of the opportunity that's been laid out in front of me to develop my career.

For context I was an entry hire straight from college and got promoted in 8 months(median time is around 2 years).

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

The common theme I’m getting is that you guys like your coworkers and view them as friends so work has socialization in it.

While I’m just working and trying to get out to see my actual friends. But that’s everyone else at work also.

[–]Sora2oo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I've got my share of friends outside of work too. But the reality is they all work every day too or go to school. Aligning schedules to eat out or take a trip or something is a monthly affair at best and annual at worst. Everybody is busy being adults and growing their careers too. They've also got other friend groups and family to pay attention to as well

[–]MKSloan 42 points43 points  (10 children)

50+ hour work weeks are the norm in many fields. In the US anyway.

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 60 points61 points  (5 children)

Why. I’ve worked at 3 companies through internships and the most successful ones (based on revenue and Fortune 500 score) were the ones that had the least amount of hours per employee.

While the others with the 50+ had similar performance.

I think after 50 hours it starts the law of diminishing returns.

There was a whole push for lower hours but what created the world we live in where that’s not the case anymore?

[–]wrp1 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Every study ever shows that work past 40-50hr a week is super inefficient. It’s more to prove yourself, to go up the ranks, and then have lotsa money, and feeling like you won the rat race.

[–]TheActualAWdeV 18 points19 points  (0 children)

not really an answer to the question though, is it?

[–]Liljoker30 18 points19 points  (1 child)

If I work more than 30-35 hours a week it was a rough week. I'm salaried and work remote but its the way my position is set up and there industry im in if you are going past 40 hours you are not good at your job. When I got out of college I worked way too many hours and it took a few years to realize working overtime is dumb especially on salary.

[–]JimSteak 12 points13 points  (0 children)

people who brag about working 60+ hours are douches.

[–]beezybreezy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

65+/week is a lot. That usually means additional full work days on weekends or literally no free time on weekdays. I wouldn't take that job unless it was an upper management position.

I don't think 50 hours a week is too bad though if the compensation is good and the work isn't physically demanding. I'm averaging 45-50 right now and I don't feel overly stressed but I am doing WFH as a tech worker right now. I guess it's all relative and differs from person to person. Some people either like their job a lot or don't feel bothered by extra hours over the typical 40.

[–]livingfortheliquid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sounds like Space X.

[–]EducationalResult8 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I currently work 50 at my forestry internship. But in reality its 40 hours of hard work in the woods and 10 of driving. I cant imagine doing more. Sure the overtime is nice, but I kinda like having a life.

[–]Lucky-Clown 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is legitimately the saddest fucking thread I've ever seen. :( Jesus Christ, humans aren't meant to live like this. What are we doing

[–]GorillaS0up 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Join us at r/antiwork. You'll feel less insane

[–]readysetworldhit[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Been on that subreddit for the year lol