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[–]Spaztone 1336 points1337 points  (1269 children)

Ok I need help with these two. I missed something cause I don't know why they are a meme. Please educate me.

[–]Zackarony 716 points717 points  (22 children)

Call the bomb squad, this question has turned into a landmine

[–]FacelessOnes 159 points160 points  (19 children)

The bomb squad is KIA, I repeat the bomb squad is KIA! They tried to defuse the question, but it blew up.

[–]JustVega 40 points41 points  (5 children)

Terrorists win

[–]FirstDayJedi 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Mission failed. We'll get 'em next time.

[–]akumaz69 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I told you all to RUSH B. This is what you get for not listening l.

[–]JustVega 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Happens all the time to CT teams lol

[–]Le_Bard 33 points34 points  (12 children)

if you mean kotaku in action then yeah those guys are like gasoline to every situation and don't realize they haven't been relevant for a while

[–]blitsandchits 1080 points1081 points  (566 children)

A 1000+ strong crowd decided to enter a gated community to protest outside the mayors house. These two residents of said community stood guard on their front lawn while holding guns. There was supposedly very poor responsible gun handling during all this.

[–]AskJayce 836 points837 points  (252 children)

If you look at the way the wife is carrying the handgun, her elbow is bent and she's only handling with one arm so you can tell she's setting herself for a nasty kickback to the point where she could give herself a blackeye, "best" case scenario.

Also, her finger is squarely on the trigger. To preface, I respect gun ownership but I don't have a gun so correct me if I'm wrong: I thought you're not supposed to do that unless you're in imminent danger or know for certain you're going to fire?

[–]Horatio_Carbonara 907 points908 points  (132 children)

Keep your finger off the trigger unless you're shooting. It's, like, gun ownership 101

[–]ZaxonsBlade 505 points506 points  (58 children)

Right behind "don't point it at anything you're not willing to kill/destroy." Which applies to ALL guns even if they are "unloaded." Moment you assume its unloaded is the moment you shoot someone/yourself.

[–]subfighter0311 268 points269 points  (53 children)

Right behind "Treat every weapon as if it were loaded."

[–]doomboy1000 181 points182 points  (44 children)

I was taught "Treat every weapon as if it is always shooting a constant, unending deadly laser beam that obliterates everything in its path." (And also that "There's a lawyer attached to every bullet", but that's related to law enforcement)

[–]asyrin25 143 points144 points  (13 children)

I just had the best image of a tiny lawyer in a dark navy suit hanging on for dear life to a bullet whizing through the air, minuscule briefcase streaming papers out behind him...

[–]Derplord1239 36 points37 points  (7 children)

I sure hope he passed the BAR exam

[–]romancase 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had no idea Mista was a lawyer.

[–]DoctorBlackBear 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Which is comical because they’re both lawyers

[–]skinnybuddha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In this case there are lawyers attached to the guns.

[–]Re-Created 42 points43 points  (27 children)

Gun safety redditors are the only people who get caught up on the specific language of rules everyone intuitively understands.

"Don't point your gun at things" is a rule that most people understand clearly. When they violate the rule it's not because they didn't understand the finer points of the words, it's because they are careless. But whenever guns safety is brought up on reddit we get like 130 different variations on the same rule, all of whom understand it perfectly but engage in some sort of "I'm safer than you" one-upmanship.

[–]AskJayce 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Personally, I really appreciate all of the creative varieties being brought up. The laser analogy has been my favorite, so far.

[–]Finnn_the_human 42 points43 points  (6 children)

Actually, making it over the top ridiculously put like he did is 100% safer than just telling new gun owners "don't point it at stuff". Like as a kid, when I got my first bb gun, my dad just said "don't point it anything you don't intend to kill." With an emphasis on kill.

You hand someone a gun and say "don't point it at things" the mindset is already lax. People who violate that rule never did have the seriousness of the tool implanted.

So they point it at shit because they either think "well it isn't loaded" or "I'm not gonna pull the trigger".

That's why gun handling training makes it weird, it's easier to remember, and the gravity of it is installed.

And the "I'm safer than you" one-upmanship is literally nothing but beneficial to the point of making gun handling safer.

For instance, the point and call method that subway operators use. Of course, they could just glance and achieve the same result, but the method of doing the exact same thing every time ultimately reduces complacency and mishaps.

[–]doomboy1000 22 points23 points  (0 children)

You may be right. This is an internet forum. I'm just trying to convey "I am relatable to you" while doing so in a unique, honest way that earns me artifical internet points.

[–]naliron 66 points67 points  (0 children)

So why'd she keep muzzle-sweeping her husband?

*Actually, as a married man, yeah that checks out.

[–]BALONYPONY 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Or in USMC terms: PRIVATE!! KEEP YOUR GODDAMN BOOGERHOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO BRING THE HATE!

[–]CrispyDogmeat 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Sometimes I think back to my time in the military and smile.

Glad that shit's over.

[–]CrookedHoss 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I miss the people, not so much the job.

[–]JuggrnautFTW 58 points59 points  (57 children)

You know, it's not like we don't have gun crime in Canada, but having a mandatory safety course to get your firearms license seems to help a lot.

[–]lil-rap 59 points60 points  (48 children)

Gun rights is one of only political hot button issues I can't chose a side on. If you're pro-2A, your arguments generally make perfect sense but also sound foolish. If you are pro-gun control, your arguments also seem to make perfect sense and you also sound foolish.

However, I am 100% in favor of mandatory safety courses. Even just a free 2 hour course if that's the best we can do. Have local gun clubs get certified so it's citizens giving these courses rather than the government if need be. I'm a Marine, so gun safety is drilled into me and I can verify that it's not that complex. It is so much easier to handle a gun safely than it is to drive a car safely. It really wouldn't take much, but I can't help but believe it would save a lot of lives.

[–]thalassicus 27 points28 points  (42 children)

What’s foolish about treating gun ownership like treating car ownership? Why can’t there be a test you have to pass like a drivers license and periodic inspections of the firearm/owner for accountability just like car registration and insurance mileage checks? Hell, I would even support legal ownership of suppressors if I knew there was accountability for responsible use.

[–]Sulfate 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Well, I can give you one example: here in Canada, our government recently moved 1500 variants of the AR-15 design from "restricted" to "prohibited." Since "restricted" weapons can only be sold to people with a restricted license (which means your name is on a list somewhere, right next to what restricted weapons you own), you have no choice but to surrender it, okay? The issue comes into play where, if you believe that firearms are necessary for personal protection or fighting the forces of the Negaverse or whatever, by putting your name on that list you leave yourself functionally powerless in the event of arbitrary government overreach.

That's the situation we're faced with in Canada, and it's one of the reasons firearm enthusiasts are leery of lists, licensing, and mandatory inspection. Keep in mind that my opinion isn't necessarily reflected in any of this, as I'm only looking to answer your question.

[–]lil-rap 17 points18 points  (6 children)

I feel like you re-worded my comment to use it as a counter argument? I agree with you. I just generally find the stronger arguments made by both sides to come across as foolish. Not my fight I suppose.

[–]AskJayce 14 points15 points  (6 children)

What’s foolish about treating gun ownership like treating car ownership? Why can’t there be a test you have to pass like a drivers license and periodic inspections of the firearm/owner for accountability just like car registration and insurance mileage checks?

And that's where the debate on Civil Rights comes in to play. I'm all for gun control and gun education, but unlike drivers' licenses, gun ownership is an inherent right and their ease-of-access is, as lil-pap mentioned, is a hot button issue.

[–]Arnold_The_Pig 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Often dumbasses know this, and placing the finger on the trigger is upping the ante, saying, "I'm really super serious, I will shoot you!"

[–]CaptainCobber 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Correct. It's called trigger discipline. You're not supposed to point it at anything you don't intend to shoot either.

[–]pururastogi 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Yes sir/ma'am you are absolutely right. You put your finger on the trigger only when you have aimed and are ready to fire.

And obviously, hold your hand gun with both hands.

And never point the gun at anyone, even when it's empty, if you haven't decided to shoot them.

I guess the lady is ready to take the risk to hurt someone from misfire

[–]behemoth492 66 points67 points  (22 children)

You're 100% right. I love my guns but it's people like these 2 that ruin it. There are 5 basic gun handling rules that I was taught and practice wholeheartedly.

  1. Treat every weapon as if it was loaded.

  2. Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.

  3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

  4. Keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire.

  5. Know your target and what lies beyond it.

Any and all gun "accidents" can be traced to somebody breaking one of these rules. Owning a gun is a large responsibility, and you'd better be up for it if you get one. People like this should not be allowed to own gun. They're a danger to themselves and others.

[–]aduirne 18 points19 points  (4 children)

I am not a big fan of guns, but I respect the right of people who wish to own/collect/shoot them. I wish people like yourself were what we see, but sadly, only the nutbars show up in media and not the majority of gun owners who take the responsibility of ownership with the seriousness it deserves.

[–]behemoth492 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's news that gets views, especially since gun rights have always been a hot topic. I dont hate the media for shining a light on these idiots. It's just that there arent too many people like you, that understand that you dont have to like guns but it doesnt mean other people shouldn't own them.

There are too many crazies on both sides. We need more people like you and we need more responsible gun owners.

[–]aduirne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Other countries have guns and they regulate who can access them as well as require appropriate training. It is the unique blend of fuckery in the US that has created a culture where people like these two exist. My grandfather had a rifle to shoot varmints that came into the henhouse and my dad was in the army. I knew plenty of people who hunted growing up. It isn't my thing, but none of the people I knew ever felt the need to run around the local Piggly Wiggly with firearms.

[–]GeauxAllDay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I like your take on guns. I appreciate that

[–]mcbizkit02 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Disagree somewhat with number 4. Glocks and many other handguns don’t even have an external safety.

[–]Drum_Stick_Ninja 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Also lock your shit up. You are responsible for your guns.

[–]behemoth492 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yes, this is a good one to add.

All of my guns, minus my handgun that I use as my conceal carry, all have chamber locks. The only one that doesnt have a chamber lock is my hunting rifle, which I remove the bolt and lock away with the ammo. They are also locked, and in some cases double locked, in their own individual gun case. And the ammo is locked away separately in another room. Just cause I live alone doesn't mean I shouldnt stay safe.

[–]youy23 35 points36 points  (7 children)

The one arm and bent elbow is how WW1 soldiers used to fire. Very dated and ineffective method but they did it with an even stronger recoiling pistol. The 1911.

The trigger discipline ain’t great.

[–]amcdermott20 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yeah it's like rule #1.

Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

But also, never point it at anything you're not willing to destroy, treat every gun as if it is loaded, and know your target and what is beyond it.

[–]ghost1s 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You have never shot a pistol have you

[–]SlowdanceOnThelnside 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Seriously doubt that handgun has enough kick to give her a black eye even holding it like that. Yes on the trigger part though.

[–]rhythmrice 53 points54 points  (116 children)

See how they are holding the gun in the picture? They were aiming at the crowd like that the entire time

[–]AccountSeventeen 83 points84 points  (4 children)

That’s not true, they aimed at each other a good bit too.

[–]ManMayMay 50 points51 points  (51 children)

From my understanding they were trespassing not just "entered"

[–]elbowgreaser1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's a gated community, so entering is trespassing. They weren't on those people's property though

[–]Same--Advice 94 points95 points  (38 children)

"Enter a gated community"

They broke down and overran an iron gate.

https://9gag.com/gag/a7W3xRb

https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/a9qpVW/ajGB9JbZ_700wp_0.webp

EDIT: I don't care if they trespassed and then broke the gate, or broke the gate to trespass. They are an angry mob and if anyone was doing that to my house, I'd be livid and scared for my life.

[–]DoubleJesusPower 19 points20 points  (7 children)

So i've seen the video where hundreds walked through the open unbroken gate, when did the gate get busted?

[–]canserpants 18 points19 points  (0 children)

http://imgur.com/gallery/H7QiWYS

Sometime after the video but while protestors were entering

[–]MOOSExDREWL 30 points31 points  (15 children)

False, it was not destroyed when they entered.

https://twitter.com/alexiszotos/status/1277607426934616065

9Gags not proof.

[–]canserpants 12 points13 points  (6 children)

http://imgur.com/gallery/H7QiWYS

Found a couple pictures. The first few in that video who entered? Yeah it wasn't broken. But the protestors did break the gate. The commando couple did not go back after the fact and damage the gate.

Attached is evidence

[–]Sabbatai 28 points29 points  (45 children)

Pointing guns. Holding a gun, using it to defend your property, all legal.

Pointing guns at someone without shooting them in a legally protected manner, is not legal.

Pointing it at a crowd of people while waving it back and forth, like the wife... definitely not legal.

Now comes the "but the protestors were trespassing" retorts.

[–]NeverInterruptEnemy 53 points54 points  (16 children)

Pointing guns at someone without shooting them in a legally protected manner, is not legal.

Untrue.

You absolutely can use a firearm legally without firing or it being brandishing.

[–]spartankelli 20 points21 points  (3 children)

From what I've seen - the guy was just fine (and I think handled it fairly well), but his wife definitely needs training and to be more responsible/mindful. If you watch the videos, he keeps the gun pointed away from the crowd, and uses his trigger hand to motion them away so he can keep his gun under control. That's a very stark difference to his wife's actions.

[–]NeverInterruptEnemy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Everyone wants to see him and the wife get training. And I promise you they will now.

That said, this was the right call to show arms and back the mob away.

I refuse to call them protestors because A. They were breaking the law, that’s not a peaceful protest even if no one gets hurt, B. I saw the photos of the gate when they were done, C. I saw the Provo shooting today and fuck anyone that still says this is about Black Lives. This is class warfare disguised as racial tension.

[–]kylehawkwilson 5 points6 points  (11 children)

I’m not saying you can do anything you want on your property but am I correct in saying that you’re allowed to point your gun at anyone on your property with reasonable motive of self defense and have it be legal? Would the same be true if you were not on your property? Honestly trying to learn here

[–]GeoffreyArnold 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Pointing guns at someone without shooting them in a legally protected manner, is not legal.

I'm not sure what you mean here, but you're most likely mistaken. In some jurisdictions you can kill someone who enters your property unlawfully and without permission (i.e., not an invitee from someone in the household). Surely threatening them with a gun without killing them is also legal.

[–]KrakenBO3 17 points18 points  (1 child)

i think you need to go rehearse yourself in gun laws and castle doctrines

[–]fiduke 79 points80 points  (16 children)

Sure. Protestors went onto private property. Don't listen to people calling it "public roads and sidewalks," these aren't. You can look up the location yourself on google street view and see it is entirely fenced off with signage saying 'private property, residents only.'

So protestors either broke some gates, or hopped fences, or went through a gate that wasn't locked. It doesn't matter much, point is they ignored the private property signs and no trespassing signs.

Since the point they entered was right by these folks home, these folks went outside with these firearms and were waving them around. The man had a Vietnam area stance, so maybe he was in the military in the 70's or 80's? And the woman had no trigger discipline whatsoever and kept her finger on the trigger the whole time. Both were continually pointing their weapons at the protestors trespassing on their property.

[–]LithiumOhm 17 points18 points  (3 children)

They broke the gates for sure. Can confirm it since I drive by the gate on the way to work everyday. It was clearly removed and a temp chainlink put up with like pinkish orange tape and cones.

[–]GoldenPoopy 528 points529 points  (102 children)

was anyone else extremely bothered by her handling on that pistol?

[–]joedirt9322[S] 391 points392 points  (11 children)

Yes. She looks like she’s looking at me, but going to shoot the guy standing next to me.

[–]kjpunch 257 points258 points  (7 children)

She looks fucking tossed from her morning cocktail of vodka and prescription drugs

[–]bdoubleD 31 points32 points  (3 children)

She low key faded.

[–]Writurr 34 points35 points  (0 children)

👏

[–]the_nerdster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Pitchers of bloody mary on their million dollar patio

[–]SirLucky 15 points16 points  (0 children)

That’s her warning shot. Once she really aims she’s gonna shoot the guy standing next to the guy next to you next to the other guy who was standing by the other guy.

[–]CelticSeraphym 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t why but I actually laughed out loud to this comment

[–]croutonianemperor 51 points52 points  (13 children)

Oh yeah. There was one photo in a nypost article that has her fat finger coming right through the guard. And Rambo seems to think sights are for pussies and wants to hip shoot. People like this give leverage to those who errode 2nd amendment rights. I bet he paid like 1,700 for that ar 2 weeks ago.

[–]pikkuhakki 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I mean, holding the rifle with the buttstock under armpit might not be in the latest tacticool fashion, but it doesn't violate the weapon handling rules. He had his finger off the trigger and kept the weapon pointed in a safe direction.

Would be interesting to know when they bought those weapons. I wouldn't be suprised if they had bought the guns just now and were handling them for the first time.

[–]MetaJonez 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At a few moments in the video, he had it pointed at his wife.

[–]TetonGrande 21 points22 points  (8 children)

Yes. Also the fact that it's a Jennings 25 Auto bothers me a great deal. Someone needs to take them to the range and the HK store.

[–]GoldenPoopy 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I get the strong sense that they may not know what they are doing

[–]croutonianemperor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My dad had a Jennings. 22 for perm carry in the early 90s. He said he couldn't hit a soda can from 20 feet.

[–]MrNewReno 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not as important when there are a thousand targets at 20 feet

[–]EclecticDreck 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right before lockdowns happened, I went to a sporting goods store because that's always a decent litmus test for how fucking stupid people are going to be. They were out of deer corn. Deer corn is perfectly edible, but not the sort of thing you'd generally choose to eat and so the answer was clearly "very stupid."

I swung by the firearms section and found a line of people waiting for their turn to buy pretty much any firearm. It was kinda silly to panic buy a gun because the same store was almost entirely out of ammunition. I saw almost because they did have a few boxes left of .38 snake shot and a shocking amount .25 auto. It was then that I realized that in spite of seeing .25 ACP at every gun store I've ever been to - usually right beside the .380 that I actually buy, that I've never actually even seen a weapon chambered in that round.

So I guess now I have, and I remain exactly as confused by its continued existence.

[–]madeindavid 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Me. That gun will fly out of her hand and hit her in the head.

[–]GoldenPoopy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Probably for the best

[–]randyspotboiler 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The 10 pound skin flap hanging under her arm is acting as ballast.

[–]DocJones89 7 points8 points  (3 children)

The way both are holding their guns is more than infuriating

[–]celtic1888 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I thought she had a phone in her hand at first

[–]GoldenPoopy 13 points14 points  (1 child)

"I will shoot you with my 5G, don't come any closer"

[–]SayNoToStim 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Jokes on you, lady, vaccines already gave me COVID

[–]SayNoToStim 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah. Booger hook off the bang switch, lady.

[–]d3rpaderpa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Extremely. She was holding it high on the grip with her arm all weird. She had the weight to get behind the weapon but her stance looked like a wobbly fawn. The whole thing looked horrible. 0/10

[–]MrBaloonHands228 11 points12 points  (30 children)

Yea, I mean I get why they did what they did but they just looked dumb as hell doing it because they clearly have 0 weapons training.

[–]GoldenPoopy 34 points35 points  (28 children)

Oh yea I understand, they were scared and didn't know what to do. But at the same time responsible gun owners don't immediately aim on others when they feel a slight inkling of provocation. They only draw as an absolute last resort when they feel their life is being severely threatened and there is no other alternative to the situation. Realistically they could have stayed inside and just let the people pass. No harm, no foul. Now if the protesters started breaking windows and kicking doors trying to get in, that's a bit of a different story

[–]the_nerdster 27 points28 points  (16 children)

If you're scared, I'd recommend moving away from the crowd and locking your doors. These people armed themselves and them advanced out of their house towards the unarmed crowd. You can't seriously believe your life is in danger and then move towards that danger.

[–]GoldenPoopy 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Exactly. Their property (while it is their right to defend it and protect) is severely outweighed by the safety of their own lives. Sure it sucks to have your property destroyed by protesters, but you know what doesn't suck so much? Making an insurance claim for damaged to property and not having threatened other people lives because of your own fears

[–]throwaway6546879846 2 points3 points  (2 children)

And supposing they set fire to his home and the homes near him, much like what has been involved in the looting in major cities, being inside wouldn't be that great of an idea.

I think he was trying to "scare" them away by giving them a visible deterrent, and potentially prevent them from "trying" him and his wife.

And if you've ever been in a live fire situation like this or had any type of firearm drawn on you, you'd quickly realize the pucker factor and how much of an impact the sight of a firearm, let alone a semi-auto AR, has on you.

[–]MrBaloonHands228 22 points23 points  (3 children)

These people are stupid rich waspy lawyers. I imagine everything about their existence up until now makes them reaaallly different from the rest of us.

[–]Milehightypeofguy 166 points167 points  (18 children)

This is what happens when homeowners are faced with the sudden reality of civil unrest - they purchase weapons for self defense that they do not know how to operate. Get some training, practice, always keep muzzle awareness & the booger hook off the bang switch and carry on!

[–]monkeyman512 39 points40 points  (3 children)

I think we can all agree with you on the idea that, "Guns are dangerous tools and you have a responsibility to learn to handle them correctly if you own them."

[–]edgecrush 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is one way to get democrats to support the 2nd amendment. I am sure next time this happens she won't be sporting a small pistol.

[–]jucromesti 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This looks like the cowboy yelling in the sky

[–]BoTeeBoTines 21 points22 points  (1 child)

The real issue with this event is to just look at the way that woman is wielding that pistol. Anyone else just cringe at that?

[–]FinalMeeting4 138 points139 points  (10 children)

This is America

[–]pendletonskyforce 207 points208 points  (193 children)

It looks like they need additional gun training. With that said, they have a right to defend their home as this was on private property. They just went about it poorly. Both sides are at fault in this.

[–]asian_geisha 192 points193 points  (62 children)

There is more to this story. According to some news reports there were two protesters (white) with weapons that threatened the couple. The couple exercised their right to defend themselves, once they felt threatened. And it was private property, the protesters were trespassing. Citizens have a right to protect themselves when they feel threatened. The protesters are sure doing that

[–]owns_dirt 56 points57 points  (6 children)

They weren't wrong to defend. The were just defending wrong 😂

[–]Black7057 22 points23 points  (4 children)

They did more than most would do when facing an angry mob. Most of the people talking shit wouldn't have done anything while they destroyed your property other than run and hide or sit there crying.

[–]cazzipropri 157 points158 points  (51 children)

We need to stop making fun of these two people. We have already seen vandals mixing with protesters over and over again, hiding among them, causing enormous destruction without benefit to anybody. Destruction that has no use, offers no support to the cause, or worse makes it easy for the opposition to confound the demonstrator and the vandals together, thus weakening the cause.

These two were at home, and someone broke their gate and started storming in. I would like to know one person who can honestly say that, at their home, in those circumstances, would not fear violence and getting their house set on fire.

Yes, they are white. Yes, they are wealthy. Yes, she has absolutely no idea what she's doing with a gun and is probably unsafe to be around. Yes, they are not fit and they don't look the part of action movie superheroes, so it's easy to ridicule them.

But it's not fair. We are not better than them. You are not better than them. Whatever you possess, if you fear it would get destroyed in front of you without a reason, without benefit to anybody, and with risk to your life, you would also try to defend it.

[–]MeliorExi 53 points54 points  (8 children)

I've been disgusted with the internet making fun of them since the beginning. What do people want? Massive private property traspassing?

[–]zombiearclight 19 points20 points  (7 children)

You put a proposal in front of me to reform and demilitarize law enforcement, I'll vote for it. Ask me to help vote Trump out of office, no problem. Hell, you want to address the problems of capitalism through increased social protections and regulations, I'm listening.

But if you want to completely dismantle capitalism and/or our form of government because you want to 'tear it all down and start new', as many of the protesters are advocating for, we're no longer on the same page.

This is not an all or nothing proposition. And the people on the left who treat it as such are as dangerous as the people on the right who want to perpetuate injustice and the status quo.

Context matters. Nuance matters.

[–]A-bad-man 33 points34 points  (0 children)

What I think is quite hilarious is these people were going to the mayor because she doxxed people and now those same people are doxxing this couple for protecting their property.

[–]Mohks 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Sorry guy, if theres one thing I learned recently is that people will always want to find something to hate. Also, the mob’s opinion is always the correct opinion, if you question it you’re fucked.

Truth is, people will react irrationally to an irrational situation. But lets just paint every situation as black and white because it makes it easier to hate something.

[–]NewHampshireGal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would have done the same thing. The only difference is that I know how to properly handle a firearm and does my husband. We are both Army vets. I will never make fun of people who want to defend their property.

[–]OGThinMints 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The heros we need

[–]mglw_nafh 480 points481 points  (434 children)

If 300 people came to fuck up my shit, I can't say I wouldn't defend my home in some similar manner. I don't care if it's 300 Eskimos calling for global warming action. It doesn't make it acceptable.

[–]JoeRogansSauna 233 points234 points  (114 children)

Yeah if an angry mob breaks into my private property and threatens my family I would probably be thinking self defence as well. It’s a good thing it didn’t get violent because with that couples muzzle control they probably would have accidentally shot each other.

[–]Throttlechopper 75 points76 points  (7 children)

There are soldiers in the Salvation Army with better muzzle control than those 2 idiots.

[–]K-Dog13 35 points36 points  (5 children)

There's cub scouts with better muzzle control.

[–]itchy_the_scratchy 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Too bad they don't teach that anymore afaik. I remember shooting shotguns and muskets all day at scout camps. The 90s were something else.

[–]TakenisTakenisTaken- 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You can still fire shotguns, muskets, and rifles in Boy Scouts, some of the more fun merit badges.

[–]LeeksAlott 127 points128 points  (65 children)

If they were concerned with self defense they would be inside with doors locked and guns ready.

They wanted to threaten people because they thought they could get away with it. The fact that they did it while looking like it was the first time they have held their guns makes it even worse.

Waiving guns at a protest that isn't even directed at you is not ok. Regardless of whether a gate may or may not have been broken for the protesters to get there.

[–]Peter_See 36 points37 points  (10 children)

I dont begrudge them for wanting to defend their property from a mob of people. However that woman didnt just stand by with her gun, she pointed it at people with a finger on the trigger - thats assault. You absolutely cannot do that unless directly threatened.

[–]mr_ji 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Legal definition of a mob: "An assemblage of many people, acting in a violent and disorderly manner, defying the law, and committing, or threatening to commit, depredations upon property or violence to persons."

And you're justified firing at a mob if you reasonably feel endangered. 300 amped up and unpredictable people swarming your private property certainly fits the bill.

[–]huxrules 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Tactically they put themselves in a horrible situation. Preparing to defend the house from the inside, and not showing their position and armament would have made much more sense. Especially being essentially overrun from the get go.

[–]fuckayouethnicity 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I would do the same shit, if it was my house.

[–]Yoshi_Yoshisaur 77 points78 points  (39 children)

Only in America do people who don’t own property make fun of people who own property and want to protect it from criminals.

[–]Andre4kthegreengiant 37 points38 points  (11 children)

I worked my ass off to get my house, like triple back to back to back shifts from two jobs, it shouldn't be that hard to get one, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let you destroy mine because you're salty you don't have one.

[–]Blitzfx 16 points17 points  (7 children)

Nah man, redditors here saying you supposed to let these rioters destroy years of your life you put into it.

[–]Lomomba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What about that idea do you think is exclusive to America?

[–]TheAllelujah 417 points418 points  (172 children)

Sorry but I am black and a gun owner and I would 100% defend whats mine. Now I know how to handle my firearm and know when to use force unlike these two. But I cannot and will not ever blame anyone for defending themselves or their own. You might feel the same if you had to work as hard as I have to get out of poverty as I have. I dont care to hear your stupid excuses either because you created this climate I now have to put up with.

I'm 100% done with BLM and this cancle culture bullshit. I've been a victim of police misconduct multiple times yet have no criminal record. I was pulled over at gunpoint and I am still here because I listened and did what I was told and had my day in court. My town cops in Tacoma wa where known at the time to be pretty damn racist.

But when you start coming after media and art. Like episode's of Community, Golden Girls, DnD, and Magic you have lost your fucking minds and in my opinion are now the authoritarians you claim to be against no better than any other fascist dictators who wanted their values enforced.

[–]MeliorExi 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Thank you for posting. It should not matter that you're black but to Reddit they wouldn't listen otherwise. As a latino I'm also disgusted with what BLM turned into this year.

[–]TheAllelujah 17 points18 points  (0 children)

To be honest they still don't care.

I grew up fearing gangs just as much as the Police but heaven forbid you know and understand the problems in the black community and try to voice them.

I'm for all my people doesn't matter I want you to live a long happy successful life the best you can. Thats why I dont agree with making it about any one skin color.

[–]quitespiffy 65 points66 points  (14 children)

Literally no one was asking for racist Magic cards to be banned or a golden girls episode to be removed though. It’s just a distraction the real issues. It’s a way for those in charge to LOOK like they give a shit but not actually change anything. That ain’t BLMs fault.

[–]HonoraryAustrlian 4 points5 points  (5 children)

The hell is with magic cards?

[–]quitespiffy 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Wizards of the coast banned like 7 cards that had racist artwork or themes from the 90s.

Edit: google “mtg invoke prejudice” for the most egregious example

[–]BatteryPoweredBrain 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Here are the 7 cards.

  • Invoke Prejudice
  • Cleanse
  • Stone-Throwing Devils
  • Pradesh Gypsies
  • Jihad
  • Imprison
  • Crusade

I have no idea what they look like; I don’t play the game. Just looked these up based on the comments.

[–]quitespiffy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Invoke prejudice has literal Klansmen on it. The rest are more thematically racist.

But again, no one protesting was asking for little symbolic changes like this. They’re protesting for real societal change. Things like this are just the company trying to have something to point to without having to make any real change. Wizards is no exception and I say that as an entrenched MtG player.

[–]mr_ji 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Removing things that demonstrate why racism is wrong is kinda counterproductive, no?

[–]BatteryPoweredBrain 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Uhhh. They just had an episode of the Golden Girls pulled because they were wearing mud masks and people claimed they were in black face.

[–]BootOfRiise 26 points27 points  (3 children)

No one's protesting in the streets to go after Golden Girls. If some corporation wants to take down that episode (completely unprompted) that's on them, don't pretend that the protesters were asking for it.

[–]Haisha4sale 52 points53 points  (14 children)

Thank you for sharing. The sentiment of BLM is great and something that all people should support. The organization itself is marxist bullshit and is terrible.

[–]tektronic22 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Black people know this, white liberals do not.

[–]dekor86 89 points90 points  (38 children)

Did Breanna get a chance to comply? Sadly, complying doesn't seem to always work, thats why these protests exist. Be part of the solution.

[–]mr_ji 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would say reforming police procedure would be the better solution, but that's none of my business.

sips tea

[–]amazingspices 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Totally agree. As an outsider looking into America, I support the BLM cause and think it’s fucking ridiculous it took THIS long for any real action. However the narrative that reddit/social media is pushing is getting really dangerous for the future. The vast majority of Redditors are mocking anyone who disagrees with them without considering any points the other side have to say, but they’re bewildered when the other side do the same thing.

We all have the capability to act as individuals. We don’t need to wholeheartedly agree with others who share the same political beliefs as ours.

[–]TheAllelujah 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I agree 100% my wife is white and at times she gets mistreated by people because she married a black person.

I agree with the sentiment but I think these movements have diverged in a way that will not be good in the future.

When I hear them doing self segregation I can only think what does that mean for me and my white wife and our family.

I also think it doesn't do much to sway people on the fence to supporting the cause.

I find just talking with my republican coworkers and people I meet being into guns does far more to ease them into acceptance and most of the time I find they totally agree when the see the facts of a lot of these shootings.

People dont realize that gun owners even the white ones doing exactly like rbe police in the way you think. If a cop is good they have their support 100% if that cop decides to trample on a right the will know it.

We are all a lot more alike than people think and I'm tired of the attacks on our fellow people.

[–]Brandon172 25 points26 points  (18 children)

Man everyone saying it's funny and all but they were protecting themselves don't you remember the riots and the loots that happened? And why is this wrong when a couple weeks ago literally the same happened with black owners defending their stores in the same way, i really don't get Reddit

[–]DankLordSenapi 4 points5 points  (1 child)

As much as I support gun ownership and defending your own property. These people need a crash course on gun handling lol. She has her finger on the trigger and is pointing the gun at her husbands head;.

[–]nn666 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As someone that lives in Australia when I saw it on the news I knew instantly what country they were from. Land of the free and all that jazz huh...

[–]Zingo_14 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Don't reverse the image when you're making memes - it kills the comedy of realizing that he's a leftie, and the reciever on that AR is built for righties so all he gonna get is hot shell casings ejecting themselves all up in his man titty

[–]End3rWi99in 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I have really no issue with them defending their property. I just wish someone could get them into a firearm safety course or something to make sure they don't accidentally shoot each other by mistake.

[–]Question080 15 points16 points  (1 child)

They succeeded. After threats, they armed themselves. Then no one fucked with them and they didn’t hurt anyone. 2nd amendment success story.

[–]blackmagickninja 93 points94 points  (82 children)

Why is protecting your property, especially after things like CHOP, a bad thing? They didn't shoot anyone

[–]QQMau5trap 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Allthough with awfull triger discipline and weapon handling maybe the protestors should not have tresspassed on a private street within a gated community. Thats how people get shot 😅

[–]GoldenPoopy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lots of claims...it’s almost as if no one on the internet actually knows what happened...hmm

[–]FacelessOnes 25 points26 points  (4 children)

I’m a BLM supporter and very socially left, but if people come and threaten my livelihood and my property and my family, people will get shot. I don’t care who you are, white, yellow, brown, red, green, black I don’t give a shit. If you step into my private property after I warn you twice, on the third, you will be shot.

[–]inherguts 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I wold have done the same thing they did.

[–]nonailsnodrag 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I am someone that especially lately is VERY big on property rights and constitutional rights. My new favorite pastime during this quarantine is watching cop audit videos on youtube.

I do think the couple in question needs training on weapon handling, but they had every right to be ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY with a firearm. Should the point the firearm at someone on the public easement or sidewalk? No. But once they step foot on your property uninvited they are trespassing and that is against the law and at that point you can point a weapon with the safety on at them and ask them to leave.

But from what I understand it was a gated private community so they were already trespassing. But either way I would have not escalated it till they stepped foot on my actual home property. But once they do that, all bets are off.

People have the right to defend their property. People have the right to expect people to stay off their property uninvited. That includes protesters, cops, girl scouts, you name it. Don't go on someone's property without an invitation or at the very least, leave the moment you are asked to leave.

These beliefs protect everyone, yes even POC. If you notice on the cop audit videos a lot are conducted by non-white people. Everyone has the right to their own property. Fighting for that right is fighting for ALL people of all races. We all should have the right to say "Get the fuck off my land" and have that be respected. Period.

[–]Dont_Jimmie_Me_Jules 7 points8 points  (0 children)

CASTLE DOCTRINE 🏰

[–]islamagood 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My heroes.

[–]AnonymousPlzz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You aren't going to meme people out of wanting to protect their property. No amount of ridicule will work.

You would feel the same way they do, and understand the importance of security, if any of you owned something worth losing.

[–]NewHampshireGal 11 points12 points  (1 child)

People saying the gate was open. So what?! If I forget to close my front door, that is suddenly an invitation for someone to come into my house uninvited?

[–]brucekeller 30 points31 points  (13 children)

Know what's a little ironic? Mark McCloskey(AR-15 guy) has litigated in police brutality cases and even has an open one.

[–]zipper0011 32 points33 points  (8 children)

How is this ironic? This isn’t even Alanis Morissette ironic.

[–]Throttlechopper 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Alanis Morisette failed English Literature class, change my mind.

[–]TomAto314 12 points13 points  (2 children)

A song about irony that has no examples of actual irony is in and of itself irony.

[–]attosama 72 points73 points  (68 children)

After learning the protesters ripped open their gate and marched up to their house, all on their private property, I honestly have to side with them...

Their only sin is looking dumb with guns, but they were completly in their right to defend their home.

Is there a reason the protesters chose them specifically? Is there more to this story than protesters attempting to break and enter their home?

Edit:

My post is incorrect, upon further evidence the protesters were in fact being peaceful, and no gate was ripped open or destroyed. The family with the guns lied, because of course they did.

[–]EvanMinn 34 points35 points  (4 children)

After learning the protesters ripped open their gate and marched up to their house,

Source? The articles I read said it was a general gate to the neighborhood and not to their specific property and that they didn't march up to the house but were on the sidewalk and street on their way to the mayor's house. Where did you read differently?

[–]caraffa 83 points84 points  (33 children)

https://m.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2020/06/29/couple-who-pointed-guns-at-protesters-release-statement-in-support-of-protesters

The protesters did not rip open the gate, they just walked in (see video in source). They were on their way to the stl mayors house to protest her doxxing citizens/constituents that were calling for police reform.

The homeowners did have a right to carry weapons as protesters were on private property (not their property) but there was a clear lack of gun safety. Wrong on both sides

[–]BlueFlob 40 points41 points  (14 children)

So odd that the narrative is that the gates were broken and ripped when the video clearly shows both doors are fine and opened.

Someone definitely broke the gate, likely after the encounter with the two lawyers.

Who and why doesn't seem clear. With all the fabricated stories around this, I wouldn't be surprised if someone made up a story by breaking the gate.

[–]Raw_Sugar01 23 points24 points  (10 children)

Why does it matter if the gate was unlocked and they walked through it? Isn’t it still trespassing?

[–]l11l1ll1ll1l1l11ll1l 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The point is that his side of the story isn't true. He argued they smashed the gate open, saw them threaten him with guns, then got his in gun. That isn't true, so what else isn't true?

[–]BlueFlob 37 points38 points  (5 children)

It is, and it is illegal. Police should respond and arrest people for trespassing on private property. The argument of the story should be :

  1. Right to protest
  2. Right to defend your property
  3. Privileged citizens hiding behind privilege

A lot of people are painting the couple as defending their property after violent protesters tore down their gate. When in fact, the gate was fine and his property wasn't being attacked.

I have a problem with people making up facts and having opinions based on made-up facts.

[–]Shinny1337 28 points29 points  (5 children)

According to another comment the group was going to protest outside another home up the road.

[–]croutonianemperor 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Come out, carry your gun. What ever. But the second you pull it and point it at anyone a hard line, one that is codified into law, is crossed. I don't want them hung, just charged under the law, so that they don't embolden more people like them to be unsafe with guns. Letting these idiots off only helps those who would errode the second ammendment.

[–]BatteryPoweredBrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The husband seemed fine. He came out was holding it safely and way just yelling over and over “this is private property, get out”. Sounds realistic. The wife was not good with her gun and really did have some problems; what she did was wrong.

[–]hoppuspears 14 points15 points  (4 children)

They did exactly what America’s so dearly treasure, their right to bare arms and defend their property. We all saw the looting, you can’t blame them

[–]RapTVCalifornia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ahh America makes me proud

[–]NoEyeDontKnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lawn Caucasians. Like a Roof Korean, but unacceptable.

[–]bhindme300 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Good for them I’d do the same

[–]WeekendCostcoGreeter 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I love how this is funny when they were defending their property and themselves. Good for them, well within their rights.

[–]libcucknpc69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You guys wanted to defund the police. This is what that looks like

[–]moneysunk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Trespassing is trespassing. Stay the fuck off private land.

[–]HoldEmOrange 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lots of brigading comments to downvote what is their legal right. Our media gives too much of a platform to a ridiculous vocal minority and social media sure doesn't help it.

Great we get to hear the influence of a bunch of dumbasses with no life experience and herd mentalities /s.

[–]PacinoPacino 7 points8 points  (12 children)

They have all the fucking right to do what they did. If you don't realise that you should get bitch slapped in your millenial face

[–]jaytittiez 8 points9 points  (3 children)

When will this dumb meme end

[–]lazraven 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its been a day, usually takes a week for this to cycle through

[–]8thchakra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

69 days after 4/20