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ATF agent in Lorain, Ohio attempts to arrest young teens for jaywalking across a residential street; mother refuses to play along, situation escalates to 12 officers (v.redd.it)

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[–]Sinister_Elmo 4413 points4414 points  (190 children)

Why are Federal Agents involved in a jaywalk?

[–]Bigkid6666 2152 points2153 points  (111 children)

Same as the tint being too dark, didn't use a turn signal, didn't make a complete stop, tag light was out....there's a million of them. It's all just a fishing expedition.

[–]Ok-Zucchini-4956 559 points560 points  (66 children)

I've gotten pulled over for every single one of those reasons sadly. Most occured within the first two years of getting my license 16-18. Also to add going through yellow light, eating in car, having a dashcam.

[–]HalfOffEveryWndsdy 89 points90 points  (16 children)

Eating in the car?!?!???!??

[–]my-kind-of-crazy 114 points115 points  (6 children)

When my friend and I were 18, we got pulled over for “taking a sip out of slushy” while driving. Such a waste of time.

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      [–]yakkker 129 points130 points  (27 children)

      I got a ticket for running a stop sign once. It was night and the cop wasn’t even near the intersection when I stopped. It was near a college campus so they probably hoped I was a girl they could harass. The cop realized I was sober so instead of admitting he was fishing he just wrote me a ticket and went on his way.

      [–]jacob6875 104 points105 points  (19 children)

      Sounds like when I got pulled over at 3AM driving to work at Target because it was suspicions I was "driving the speed limit on the interstate and got to close to the white line".

      Once I mentioned where I worked he let me go with a warning. Guess he was hoping I was a drunk driver.

      [–]ThatBeardedHistorian 124 points125 points  (2 children)

      I got a ticket after leaving my girlfriend's house at 3 AM when I was 18 because I "failed to use my turn signal at appropriate distance." Meaning 100 feet in Texas. My girlfriend's house was on the corner and I was parked on the street. The stop sign was 50 or 60 feet from me. I used my turn signal as I was approaching the stop sign because I had to use my signal for pulling out, then because I was going right instead of left, needed to switch. I fought it in court and won. It was a fishing expedition to see if I was drunk.

      [–]mr_renfro 39 points40 points  (7 children)

      I got pulled over for going through a McDonald's drive thru at 3am. No bars nearby, was just driving home from work and wanted a fricken McChicken.

      I didn't get a ticket for anything and was given no reason for getting pulled over. He did try to trick me into self incrimination by asking what I thought he was pulling me over for, but I'm not an idiot lol.

      Best part? The dipshit was so focused on trying to find something to harass me for that he completely missed my 100% non functioning brake lights (that I later fixed) 😂

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            [–]wowzinga69 318 points319 points  (24 children)

            The real question. Also why are alcohol tabaco and firearms agents doing traffic stops and educating the youth about city ordinances.

            [–]BobMortimersButthole 63 points64 points  (5 children)

            And, if it was such a big deal, why didn't they educate the people who jaywalked while they were trying to get the boys to go outside?

            [–]IllustriousCookie890 35 points36 points  (1 child)

            Perhaps they need to set up a permanent ATF booth on that sidewalk, manned 24 hours a day to protect the public health of pedestrians.

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              [–]westdl 47 points48 points  (1 child)

              Well tobacco use is way down so they have to fill the gap in their timecard. That or they wanted to strip search them in case one of the children had a cap of dip. Either way, they were way out of line. A parent protecting children from illegal abuse from authorities cannot be cited for obstruction. I will suggest the mom should have stated they were trespassing and ordered them to leave of produce a warrant before closing the door.

              Edit: he to the

              [–]truffleboffin 45 points46 points  (12 children)

              Also why are alcohol tabaco and firearms agents doing traffic stops

              They do felony traffic stops all the time on my street. That's what they should be doing instead of bothering kids

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                [–]Virtual-Biscotti-451 32 points33 points  (0 children)

                They want to do it, so they find ways to justify it. It’s just a way for them to inflict their power and authority on the rest of us.

                [–]WSPisGOAT 242 points243 points  (3 children)

                It should literally piss off every single taxpayer that they use their f****** egos to do this kind of s*** with your money, and then get sued , and cause you to pay even more money, just for them to do their job, that they're not doing. END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY NOW.

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                  [–]Dreamloop__ 2537 points2538 points  (12 children)

                  They got real quiet as soon as she mentioned they were being recorded by her home cameras 🤣

                  [–]egospiers 1330 points1331 points  (4 children)

                  And when that guy off camera told them they weren’t allowed to talk to minors without their parents… who was literally telling them no.

                  [–]mark-five 387 points388 points  (2 children)

                  I think that was the local PD supervisor, who was likely pissed off the feds were shitting their pants in his city making his employees look like incompetent idiots by association.

                  [–]Glmoi 155 points156 points  (0 children)

                  The full video shows him approaching (timestamped) My guess it's a neighbour who overheard the yelling and came to the rescue.

                  [–]That-Maintenance1 21 points22 points  (0 children)

                  "Making them look like". Lol

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                    [–]Ordinary_dude_NOT 166 points167 points  (0 children)

                    Winning hearts and mind boys.

                    [–]Blarghnog 66 points67 points  (0 children)

                    Yea lifestyle manipulators hate to be exposed for their bad behavior.

                    [–]piecat 34 points35 points  (2 children)

                    Someone should make a song and music video

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                      [–]Ok_Wallaby_7653 932 points933 points  (12 children)

                      I feel a afroman song in the makings

                      [–]Ill_Run5998 3816 points3817 points  (112 children)

                      Jaywalking=Not a federal crime.

                      ATF=Federal agency

                      [–]IamtheSoupMaster 951 points952 points  (30 children)

                      Crossing between two signalled intersections isn't a crime at all in Ohio. They literally had no call to stop those children. If I was that parent I'd be getting a lawyer and suing the absolute living fuck outta those dipshit cops.

                      https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4511.48

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                        [–]Dictnasty 382 points383 points  (22 children)

                        Since when is it considered Jaywalking crossing a street in a neighborhood. Are we suppose to drive to the mail box across the street? Or walk to the closest cross walk half a mile away? I thought we are just suppose to treat the entire neighborhood as a crosswalk since it is where we live and walk around.

                        [–]Neither-Bus-3686 201 points202 points  (9 children)

                        Imagine what'd they do if those kids were playing ball in the middle of the street, that ATF agent and the cop probably shit their pants, treated that street as if it was 2004 all over again for the battle of Fallujah and summoned the national guard

                        [–]suspended247 60 points61 points  (2 children)

                        Exactly what I was thinking. Spent half my life in the street playing wiffle ball and football. Don't get me started with the bicycles. No helmets required.

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                            [–]DeeEssX 140 points141 points  (6 children)

                            I want to know where they were supposed to walk according to the officers. Who hires these clowns? 😂

                            [–]yajustcantstopme2 64 points65 points  (1 child)

                            The same people who say we need to give them more authority.

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                              [–]HiiipowerBass 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                              Acrossing Terrain Felonies

                              [–]ToeKnail 38 points39 points  (0 children)

                              Suss all around

                              [–]Chucking100s 81 points82 points  (6 children)

                              What about jaywalking while black?

                              That's a federal crime right?

                              /s

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                                [–]egospiers 1175 points1176 points  (23 children)

                                The guy around 1:55 telling the cops basically this can’t be obstruction because you’re demanding to talk to a 12 y/o which you can’t do without taking to the parent, who is saying no, has more knowledge of the law than all 12 of those morons put together… they seemed super confused and unsure when this was said to themselves

                                [–]Scizmz 397 points398 points  (15 children)

                                Being law enforcement does not require understanding any of the laws. They just need to be able to manipulate any given scenario to match what could be favorable for them. After that, reports can be massaged to make things generally line up. Cameras really are the saving grace for civilians.

                                [–]Bkoss91 83 points84 points  (8 children)

                                That's like a professional dancer not knowing the choreography, and instead just moving her body around like a worm and calling it dancing. I just recently saw another traffic stop of a cop not knowing what the fuck he's talking about and he got so frustrated with a driver showing him up, he basically throws the guys registration back on the car and says "ive got another call I need to get to." The driver starts laughing in disbelief because he had been going back and forth with this prick for like 10 minutes, being completely patient and understanding, after the cop was in defense mode immediately. This guy was driving a Lambo too lol

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                                  [–]sahccer 50 points51 points  (3 children)

                                  My money's on them absolutely knowing that's the law. They're just hoping YOU don't. So his brain is stalling for new ways to gaslight.

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                                    [–]Reddituser0346 186 points187 points  (4 children)

                                    I looked up news reports on this, and the whole thing gets stupider & stupider:

                                    Investigators said the officer and the ATF agent were convinced that the three teens were carrying guns by the way they carried themselves as they walked in the street …they walked “with one arm to their waist, no movement, no shoulder movement, neither arm swinging and a gait change.”

                                    Wait, I thought they were being questioned about jaywalking, not for … um … having hands in their pockets?

                                    The three teenagers were not charged with a crime, but Hildreth was charged by Lorain police with obstructing official business

                                    “We actually had no basis for arresting any of these teens, but we are still going to arrest this mom for stopping us from trying to arrest these teens’.

                                    [–]blanka44 73 points74 points  (2 children)

                                    The police report also included as justification that a gun crime was committed in that area seven months prior to this event. Cops are completely out of control in this county.

                                    [–]Goddamnitpappy 18 points19 points  (1 child)

                                    Gotta love that vague association.

                                    "Yeah, there were some crimes in this area before, so that gives us carte blanche to accuse anyone of anything at anytime by merit of simply being in said area."

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                                      [–]FinalVegetable6314 802 points803 points  (17 children)

                                      You know they just wanted to jam the kids up and search em for guns. The jaywalking lie was complete bullshit and the mom knew it. Also for anyone wondering Yes you can sue the ATF

                                      [–]SquirrelXMaster 205 points206 points  (9 children)

                                      The jaywalking was the pretext. You are correct. I also don't think it's jaywalking on a residential street like that.

                                      [–]phryan 54 points55 points  (4 children)

                                      IANAL but the Ohio Jaywalking code would agree with you.

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                                        [–]Logan_Frost 47 points48 points  (5 children)

                                        You can sue the ATF, unfortunately even if you win, you're just getting taxpayer money from an organization funded by taxpayer money. Its a nothingburger to the ATF. Not that they wont fight the suit though.

                                        [–]wantabe23 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                                        I mean that’s kinda like working for raytheon or any large defense contractor, all taxpayers money. Lol

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                                            [–]zorro2525 1589 points1590 points  (57 children)

                                            Clearly these ATF agents must have nothing to do, if they’re out there, harassing kids for supposedly jaywalking. Our tax dollars working at its best.

                                            [–]MasterPPbokchoypimp 334 points335 points  (33 children)

                                            It sounds to me like the jaywalking was just a bullshit excuse. A lot of cops when they see a group of young kids, their first instinct is to try and tackle them bc they might have a vape pen or weed or something.

                                            [–]GrapeSoda223 110 points111 points  (4 children)

                                            Exactly the first "agent" just sounded so angry and hate filled, and hes gotta feel manly and take it out his anger on kids

                                            [–]ilovesylvie 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                                            Yeah I wish POS like him would get fired but nope, this garbage attitude is encouraged. It’s frustrating to see innocent people get screwed like this.

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                                              [–]zorro2525 68 points69 points  (22 children)

                                              According to the article the kids looked suspicious on the way they were walking. “ they had their hand in front of their belt buckle which when walking they seemed off as they were carrying a weapon”.

                                              [–]MasterPPbokchoypimp 78 points79 points  (19 children)

                                              Hahaha they’re trying to keep their pants from falling down😂 that’s kinda messed up though. “Looked suspicious” means stereotyping

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                                                  [–]Elaine_Benes_Lovr 51 points52 points  (4 children)

                                                  Cleveland is just 25 miles up the road. If they're looking for guns, there are a few rough neighborhoods there they could patrol. But those are grown men raised in the streets who will fight back, not little preteens out fucking around until mom calls them for dinner.

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                                                    [–]Dyna_Hippie 161 points162 points  (3 children)

                                                    This is why REAL criminals are able to elude these jackasses so easily. They are more worried about teenagers jaywalking than catching a felon.

                                                    [–]34TH_ST_BROADWAY 42 points43 points  (0 children)

                                                    They choose the safest targets and go in with overwhelming force. Gotta get home safe and sound, retire at 45, get that pension.

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                                                      [–]Soft_Cranberry6313 4160 points4161 points  (258 children)

                                                      For jaywalking?? Stop wasting my fucking taxes and do your actual job.

                                                      [–]Gasonfires 633 points634 points  (63 children)

                                                      Jaywalking was a pretext. They later claimed in their written report that they thought the kids were armed. Funny they didn't say anything about that to the woman. Investigating minors in possession of deadly weapons is something the cops have the legal power to detain people for, so if they thought that was going on, why would they offer up the rationale of jaywalking? I'll tell you why: Because at the time the idea that the kids were armed did not occur to them and it's not why they wanted to talk to them. They rousted them and the kids slipped it and the police are pissed. This was all about contempt of cop by Black kids and nothing else.

                                                      https://chroniclet.com/news/343169/couple-file-complaint-against-lorain-police-patrol-impact-team/

                                                      https://chroniclet.com/news/343408/lorain-police-release-information-following-citizens-complaint-against-patrol-impact-team/

                                                      [–]light_to_shaddow 158 points159 points  (4 children)

                                                      Armed and if they felt threatened lethal force would be used?

                                                      Dipshits on a power trip.

                                                      [–]latin_canuck 116 points117 points  (20 children)

                                                      • Americans: We have the freedom to bear arms.
                                                      • US Government: We have the freedom to suspect that everyone bear arms. Hence, we will torment each one of you.

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                                                        [–]squidshj 1291 points1292 points  (112 children)

                                                        Apparently they were walking like people who are armed, which is some made up bullshit to try to justifying what they did. I guess we're supposed to forfeit our rights and let ourselves and our kids be targeted by bored pigs desperate to play Army.

                                                        [–]9ninjas 167 points168 points  (2 children)

                                                        Looking both ways while crossing the street? Suspicious activity!

                                                        [–]cutthroatink15 53 points54 points  (1 child)

                                                        They were clearly keeping their eyes out for rival gangbangers, one of them claimed he needed to go to the "bathroom" so that must be a new code for "traphouse", according to the "mother" (that must be what they call a kingpin now) he was going to pick up his "sibling" (probably weapons or ammo) at the "busstop" (code for the blackmarket). Its a good thing we've got these aggresive fast acting federal agents to keep these kinds of hardened violent criminals off the street! /s

                                                        [–]Castun 21 points22 points  (2 children)

                                                        Apparently they were walking like people who are armed, which is some made up bullshit to try to justifying what they did.

                                                        Even IF it wasn't made up, "walking like you're strapped" isn't illegal.

                                                        [–]fatkiddown 93 points94 points  (5 children)

                                                        I’ve been watching hours and hours of the “audit the audit” channel, and I am reaching the conclusion that it’s hopeless. These guys have such tunnel vision and inability to understand the basic concept of the Bill of Rights that it is appalling. I’m also listening to an audible on the biography of Napoleon. When French scientists showed a local chieftain in Egypt a chemistry experiment, he responded with a question, “will this enable me to be in two countries at the same time?” When the scientist told him no he said, “then I guess you are not a real Sorcerer after all.”

                                                        It’s like I’m witnessing the same logic with the cops in this video.

                                                        [–]evade26 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                                                        Lackluster is another good channel for cop interactions. For sure more constitutional freedom leaning than even ATA which is generally pretty neutral imo. Lackluster does a good job of highlighting shitty actions by cops but also emphasizing how disgusting and tyrannical it is that they are allowed to act in the way they do.

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                                                          [–]bloatednemesis 79 points80 points  (4 children)

                                                          And they're not even good at roleplaying as army.

                                                          [–]-PeanutButter 21 points22 points  (3 children)

                                                          Dont associate us with those idiots! 99.99% of the army does not gaf about this petty shit

                                                          [–]King_LarryBoy 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                                                          They want a police state

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                                                            [–]LiterallyForThisGif 80 points81 points  (4 children)

                                                            This is the ATF's actual job. Crush freedom under their jackboots.

                                                            [–]L-V-4-2-6 60 points61 points  (27 children)

                                                            And to think they just increased the ATF's budget.

                                                            [–]FrisbeeFan40 12 points13 points  (6 children)

                                                            What is a atf agent ?

                                                            Non American.

                                                            [–]turch_malone 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                                            Law enforcement agency at the federal level: Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.

                                                            Clearly doing wonderful work here...

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                                                                [–]luibot 34 points35 points  (1 child)

                                                                I’m sure the whole time the city was safer with all of them focusing on one j walking kid

                                                                [–]ankerous 35 points36 points  (2 children)

                                                                What is fucking ridiculous about this is they actually charged her with fucking obstruction. Fuck these power tripping assholes.

                                                                [–]Love_God551 33 points34 points  (2 children)

                                                                From the very beginning that cop had a major attitude and was argumentative for no reason

                                                                [–]Poormonybag 54 points55 points  (1 child)

                                                                Fascist cops strikes again in the U.S. what a surprise.

                                                                [–]ID-10T_Error 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                                                                or jaywalking?? Stop wasting my fucking taxes and do your actual job.

                                                                stops like this should come out of there pension fund

                                                                [–]Foresthowler 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                                                It's the ATF, they don't know how to do that

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                                                                  [–]Fortyplusfour 156 points157 points  (8 children)

                                                                  So, de-escalation is part of my job. You do not go in demanding the world revolve around you then try to sarcastically "reason" with someone [that they need to send their children outside to talk to the angry police officers that want to talk to them far more than they want to talk to their parents]. No you aren't going to get cooperation that way. Hell no.

                                                                  [–]Darth_Dick_Fingers 49 points50 points  (4 children)

                                                                  "Hey, ma'am, I'm Joe Bagodicks with ATF/local PD. I just saw some kids walking across the street in an unsafe manner, and I wanted to talk to them about situational awareness and safety. Would that be alright with you? You can stand here with them while I talk to them if you'd like. Shouldn't be more than a couple of minutes, then I'll be on my way. Just want to make sure everyone in your neighbor is being safe."

                                                                  It's actually pretty simple to not be an aggressive fuck towards people.

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                                                                    [–]Superbaker123 439 points440 points  (18 children)

                                                                    ? How is it jaywalking in a residential area? There aren't crosswalks

                                                                    [–]cosmothekleekai 247 points248 points  (3 children)

                                                                    You have to call for an Uber to drive you to the other side of the road, everyone knows that

                                                                    [–]guitarguywh89 34 points35 points  (0 children)

                                                                    Park two cars side by side, open windows, crawl through

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                                                                      [–]jacob6875 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                                                                      I guess I am just stranded on my side of the street unless I drive somewhere.

                                                                      I can walk both directions and won't have a crosswalk at either end of my block.

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                                                                        [–]asmara1991man 399 points400 points  (11 children)

                                                                        Only thing the mom did wrong was not close the door on their face

                                                                        [–]combustioncat 106 points107 points  (1 child)

                                                                        “Come back with a warrant or fuck off”

                                                                        SLAM.

                                                                        [–]asmara1991man 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                                                                        Exactly

                                                                        [–]IroquoisIndy 66 points67 points  (0 children)

                                                                        That, and maybe called a few local media outlets

                                                                        [–]LadyRimouski 8 points9 points  (5 children)

                                                                        She'd be gambling that a bunch of losers who can't recognize jaywalking and don't know you can't interrogate kids without their parent would remember they can't enter a home without a warrant. I can understand why she played it the way she did

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                                                                          [–]jshif 609 points610 points  (52 children)

                                                                          Serious question: what would have happened if she just closed the door and didn't engage with the officers?

                                                                          [–]Thorgarthebloodedone 333 points334 points  (20 children)

                                                                          I mean, I think they would need a warrant, but it's harder for me to say cause they are ATF agents, and I'm not sure what exceptions they have vs. regular police. If it was in the line of an immediate and clear danger like a potential death or something, they could force their way in. But idk.

                                                                          [–]madnessindeed[🍰] 171 points172 points  (8 children)

                                                                          Same same. No real difference between feds and local in this use case… except lying to a fed is it’s own deal. However the golden rule is don’t talk to a badge.

                                                                          [–]CardboardLambo 113 points114 points  (7 children)

                                                                          The answer is always: "come back with a warrant"

                                                                          Edit... And even then, the answer is always: "I don't talk to cops"

                                                                          [–]observant302 34 points35 points  (2 children)

                                                                          https://youtu.be/ul5oC-F-IF0

                                                                          Ray shoesmith, I don't answer questions

                                                                          [–]Alekseythymia 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                          Missed opportunity for the daughter to say "I don't answer questions" at the end there

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                                                                            [–]madnessindeed[🍰] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                                                                            Well.. as evidenced in this video if you have the audio on… these are minor children… you do not speak to them with out a parent or atty…and that’s a thing. Likely the DA doesn’t accept charges if they are smart… that said don’t talk to a badge as if she had just shut the door even that bs probably wouldn’t have happened.

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                                                                                [–][deleted] 111 points112 points  (6 children)

                                                                                Hopefully nothing. Without a warrant or clear signs that an actual crime, they are supposed to go away.

                                                                                I've had several friends that have had their cars stolen, and every time they are found, if they are found, the police just call and tell them to go pick it up from some address where they found it.

                                                                                When asking the police who stole it or how it got there, they every time have said "don't know, I knocked on the door and no one answered, so case closed".

                                                                                [–]gwar37 65 points66 points  (3 children)

                                                                                That happened to me. I had the same car stolen twice. Both times cops just told me where it was and to go get it or they would tow it and I would have to pay to get it out of impound. Cops rarely prevent shit and don’t even bother investigating most crimes. They’re nothing but state sponsored thugs. Fuck cops.

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                                                                                  [–]AttestedArk1202 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  They would get mad and shoot somebody’s dog

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                                                                                    [–]bassanaut 348 points349 points  (5 children)

                                                                                    This is a perfect visualization of taxpayer money going to waste. Actually impressive. Like a bunch of teenagers on a power trip, with the ability to have you in a prison cell in under an hour. It’s just wild to me that this is the present state of American society.

                                                                                    [–]DragonDaddy62 114 points115 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    For real, 12 cops showed up to this fiasco over kids crossing the street, meaning none of those people have anything real to be doing. Time to downsize that's a lot of unproductive labor right there

                                                                                    [–]chasing-ennyl 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    Especially with the jay walkers later on in the video and they do nothing 😂

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                                                                                      [–]Artane_33[S] 695 points696 points  (29 children)

                                                                                      full video

                                                                                      Fox8 Cleveland, “Mother files harassment complaint against Lorain police”

                                                                                      [–]equalizer59 212 points213 points  (14 children)

                                                                                      What I think is funny is that the cop that was mouthing off to her has “We The People” tattooed on his right arm. You’d think that if you’re going to tattoo the constitution on yourself that you would know the rules and not break them.

                                                                                      [–]IllustriousCookie890 84 points85 points  (1 child)

                                                                                      The tattoo is the only part he knows and he needed the tattoo to remember that much of it.

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                                                                                        [–]itsjustmejttp123 135 points136 points  (2 children)

                                                                                        Holy hell what a fucking crock of shit! Jaywalking was an excuse to try and get them for carrying guns. Give me a god damn break. That mom has balls of steel! Good for her.

                                                                                        [–]EncSpec 54 points55 points  (6 children)

                                                                                        I find it funny that they say in the report that"McCann pointed to a shootout between two groups of young men in the sameblock of West 27th Street in 2022 and a string of other violent crimesas the motivation for the aggressive approach by officers."

                                                                                        Yet when they have the opportunity to bring that up in a calm and professional manner, they don't - and proceed to badger the kids as less-than for that reason and thus the mom. Why not bring that up so they can at least de-escalate and talk in a peaceful way? Apparently, peace isn't an option when it comes to how "people carry themselves".

                                                                                        [–]StuTheSheep 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                                                                                        "We have to violate your rights because someone you don't know commited a crime 9 months ago!"

                                                                                        They didn't bring it up because it's a stupid reason.

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                                                                                            [–]Smith-WessonPat 63 points64 points  (1 child)

                                                                                            Left/right, conservative/liberal, pro-cop/anti-cop... we can all agree that the ATF can go fuck itself.

                                                                                            [–]medicatedhippie420 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                                                            Nobody likes child murderers

                                                                                            [–]BernieTheDachshund 158 points159 points  (0 children)

                                                                                            I'm glad the mom wouldn't let the kids come back out. They were trying to make a federal case out of jaywalking. So stupid.

                                                                                            [–]Fleagster_69420 45 points46 points  (2 children)

                                                                                            I bet the atf dude had a tough time in middle school. :(

                                                                                            [–]Crixuc 280 points281 points  (8 children)

                                                                                            Land of the free btw.

                                                                                            Free to harass civilans

                                                                                            [–]jake_burger 40 points41 points  (2 children)

                                                                                            Not free to walk across a street? What kind of fucked up law is that? I know this was residential but why aren’t you free to cross a street where you feel like it?

                                                                                            [–]DragonDaddy62 21 points22 points  (0 children)

                                                                                            Ita an old timey bullshit law created to rewire American thinking that streets are for cars not people, originally the term jay-drivers was used to describe idiot drivers who hit things or people or were generally terrible but the automotive industry lobbied for jaywalking laws to flip the script and here we are. Basically corporate fuckery just like half of our shit laws that should be repealed for being useless or worse than useless pretexts for harass g normal people for existing near cops.

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                                                                                                [–]cryptobuddy75 131 points132 points  (4 children)

                                                                                                Well obviously these rash of Jay walking incidents need to be stopped. I mean imagine a world where kids mind their own business while not crossing the street in a manner that our overlords approve of. Clearly the police in Ohio have solved all open crimes and have nothing else to do.

                                                                                                [–]Moynamama 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                “Your son and his friends match the general description of the suspect in several other open jaywalking cases in the area.”

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                                                                                                  [–]Birdmanak47 133 points134 points  (8 children)

                                                                                                  Don't they have some dogs to shoot?

                                                                                                  [–]Ok_Wallaby_7653 31 points32 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                  Please please please Afroman make a song for these asshats

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                                                                                                    [–]seabass_shooter 35 points36 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                    Why the fuck are the feds asking ppl about jaywalking? Fuck the police.

                                                                                                    [–]LazerOwl 73 points74 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                    Guy is an asshat

                                                                                                    [–]Shadow0fnothing 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                    Thank God those brave officers got those dangerous jaywalkers off the streets. Those little hooligans could just be crossing streets left and right!

                                                                                                    I mean, taking down murderers and rapists is nothing compared to the menace that is jaywalking.

                                                                                                    MY TAX DOLLARS FOLKS.

                                                                                                    [–]lynivvinyl 65 points66 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                    Wow that's not a waste of time and resources at all.

                                                                                                    [–]Roundcouchcorner 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                    I had few wannabe ninja ATF agents jump out of a bush on Fort Lauderdale beach back in the day. (late 90’s) I was smoking a Black and Mild while walking on the sidewalk. I was probably around 19-20 years old so no problem with that but then they start pushing and asking ridiculous questions they started to harass a minor who was with me who wasn’t smoking or drinking. They wanted to search her backpack and intimidated the shit out of her to the point she was in tears. Nothing was found, all of her stuff and what ever I had in my pockets spread out on a car hood. At the time I thought it was ridiculous, but when I look back and see how many laws they broke it pisses me off.

                                                                                                    [–]KaijyuAboutTown 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                    Marvelous example of authoritarian behavior. 12 cops. J-walking in a residential street… not even j-walking… that’s when you are in an intersection and start going across, creating a curve through the center of the intersection to reach the opposite corner (not directly across the street, but across 2 streets in one arc). From what I see these kids crossed a residential street at an angle. The cops just wanted to flex their authority… completely the opposite behavior of what they should have done.

                                                                                                    If the kids had actually done something dangerous then they should explain to the mom what happened and how the kids should not be doing this. “Interrogating” them and calling for backup is a massive escalation and simply demonstrates these particular cops need to be right through power and only through power.

                                                                                                    The crying shame is the other cops didn’t seek to understand and deescalate… they just went right along with it

                                                                                                    No wonder so many people don’t trust police. Minimally trained in the law. Trained to escalate a situation to get arrests and issue citations. Charming

                                                                                                    12 cops. Wonder what they could have done that was productive.

                                                                                                    [–]Sabrtoothbanana 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                    Worthless ass agency. Fuck the ATF.

                                                                                                    [–]AnotherMarz 51 points52 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                    Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms oh, and Jaywalking…ATFJ

                                                                                                    [–]Potential-Ad-7627 50 points51 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                    How weak - if the Sup had any common sense he would have apologized for the inconvenience and told the agents to do meaningful work.

                                                                                                    [–]Specific-Creme5413 96 points97 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                    School shooting?

                                                                                                    Police: sleeps

                                                                                                    Someone walked at an angle.

                                                                                                    Police:ReAl ShIT????

                                                                                                    [–]Th4tGuyUKn0 45 points46 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                    These cops are a bunch of pussies. Go catch some criminals and stop wasting fucking time.

                                                                                                    [–]Zaxby_shameless 66 points67 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                    The ATF dude was iching to shoot that dog.

                                                                                                    [–]crappy-mods 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                    Only reason this happened definitely.

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                                                                                                      [–]downhill-surfer 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                      ATF gotta be the most useless agency in the entire planet

                                                                                                      [–]Singdancehousing 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                      Love this brave strong Mama bear! I hope she sues

                                                                                                      [–]Sequil 37 points38 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                      What an embarrasment

                                                                                                      [–]HistoryWeak7662 39 points40 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                      Lol the cop with the skinny jeans smh

                                                                                                      [–]MindQwad 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                      The gaslighting from the “officers” is wild

                                                                                                      [–]hadawayandshite 131 points132 points  (13 children)

                                                                                                      I honestly don’t even get the crime of jaywalking—in the U.K. we can cross the street anywhere

                                                                                                      I thought USA was all about freedom ;p

                                                                                                      [–]DarkBiCin 43 points44 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                      I believe (and could be wrong) it was a law enacted for “pedestrian safety” so they wouldnt be hit by moving vehicles and was pushed by Henry Ford. The US law use to be pedestrian focused and required drivers to yield to pedestrians. Ford pushed for the legislation to be passed that pedestrians should yield to vehicles as a way to push sales and to “protect” non vehicle users. In turn criminalizing walking across the street anywhere but marked areas regardless of if there are vehicles driving in the vicinity.

                                                                                                      [–]BinFluid 26 points27 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                      The Dollop has an excellent episode on this. When the cars came. It was Ford as drivers were being blamed for accidents. Old school lobbying

                                                                                                      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ97CGj6TPY

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                                                                                                          [–]chemeli888 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                          congrats to the mother for standing up to them

                                                                                                          [–]AliceinUtero 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                          Why does ATF even give a fuck

                                                                                                          [–]theonlyJJ1 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                                                                                                          Fuck the ATF. Criminal organization. Never forget Ruby Ridge.

                                                                                                          [–]eltegs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                          Brave heroes, guardians of the thin blue line, watchers of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.

                                                                                                          The police are not our friends.

                                                                                                          [–]itsjustmejttp123 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                          Using jaywalking as an excuse because they said the kids were carrying guns by the way they walk. Fuck off with that bull shit! Those cops were completely out of line! If an officer tried to talk to me like that I would have been combative too. They lied from the moment they got out of the car. This is exactly why we need to defund the police. They are for the most part fucking worthless

                                                                                                          [–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                          Would love to here the two ATF guys conversation when they saw the kids.

                                                                                                          [–]Able-Sector-8523 28 points29 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                          They my minors, come back with a warrant, close door….

                                                                                                          [–]frealfr 87 points88 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                          Shut up and lock the door.🙄🙄🙄

                                                                                                          [–]ForbinStash 22 points23 points  (7 children)

                                                                                                          Alphabet agencies gotta go!

                                                                                                          [–]Comfortably_Numb90 45 points46 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                          Useless pigs

                                                                                                          [–]EIephants 31 points32 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                          Yes, cops escalate situations, often into unnecessary violence. It’s what they are trained to do. Just ask Dave Grossman)

                                                                                                          [–]UseOne4211 19 points20 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                          Is there not a Law granting permission to cross the street if there are no pedestrian crossing in close proximity ? I'm not American so idk y'all situation

                                                                                                          [–]StrawberryUpstairs70 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                          Right? Like I can't imagine there being that many pedestrian crossings in neighbourhoods. Do they expect the kids to go all the way to a crossing out of their neighbourhood just to legally get on the right side of the road...?

                                                                                                          [–]the_calibre_cat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                          occam's razor, it's much less likely that "the kids were maybe carrying guns" (as per the Loraine, OH police chief's explanation) and much more likely that the cops were power tripping fuckwads, so let's go with that one.

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