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[–]Slappy_J 1870 points1871 points  (175 children)

I went to school in the sticks in the 1980s, but we actually had hunter safety as part of PE class. Everyone got their certificate as part of the class.

[–]ragingsilently 532 points533 points  (130 children)

I had it as part of agriculture

[–]Slappy_J 362 points363 points  (125 children)

I really enjoyed being able to bring a gun to school for class. Had to be unloaded, unfortunately.

Nothing better than walking into gym class with a .308 on your shoulder.

[–]Stonercat123yt 309 points310 points  (48 children)

Bro I fucking wished lmao . The school I went to almost expelled me for makeing a paper gun out of bright orange paper

[–]Yarus43 198 points199 points  (34 children)

Elementary school me and my friends got in trouble for making imaginary guns with our hands, and making RATATAT noises at eahcother. So fucking stupid im gonna pretend shoot myself now.

[–]Stonercat123yt 103 points104 points  (12 children)

Same here and a kid reported me for finger gun to my head for being”suicidal”

[–]aykay55 38 points39 points  (7 children)

In my school making a paper-clip rubber-band slingshot can get you suspended

[–]Stonercat123yt 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Yeah ikr I’m schools now you can get suspended for defending yourself

[–]deathr3aper633 10 points11 points  (2 children)

And I have. A couple times I'm short, and got bullied a lot for it. After I broke a kid's nose though, people stopped picking on me. He went home crying to his mom that day. I got ice cream.

Edit: That was back in middle school, I'm a junior in HS now. I also live in Oklahoma, so 99% of the population supports guns.

[–]Stonercat123yt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I’m in 10th grade and was bullied in middle school(not physical) but I wish I would’ve taught them the three years of that fucked my head up really bad I got really depressed and developed anxiety surrounding g school I bet if I would’ve caught one and got it over with they would’ve stopped. Heindsights a bitch

[–]Phazerman 62 points63 points  (12 children)

I remember a kid getting suspended for eating his PB&J “in the shape of a gun”

[–]adamAtBeef 43 points44 points  (6 children)

My friend was trying to fold a triangle and apparently it looked like a gun.

[–]Stonercat123yt 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Yeah these “schools” piss me off tbh if I was a teacher I would be proud of a student using their imagination or creativity but nooooo guns are evil and must be eradicated. At least that’s how they act lmao

[–]TheS4ndm4n[🍰] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

In the mean time in the media: violence and guns are OK for young children to see. Can even be in cartoons. But make sure you don't show a nipple before 10pm. And there's 5 words you can't say.

[–]Stonercat123yt 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Lol imo kids need to be exposed to violence at least some what in media like games and shows or the first time they experience it irl they will go crazy . Sheltering kids is unhealthy

[–]Z0mbiehunter_52 18 points19 points  (3 children)

There was actually a story of a kid biting his pop tart into the shape of a gun getting into huge trouble. People are way too sensitive with this shit.

[–]importshark7 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I remember when that happened. That was quite a few years ago too, its probably worse now.

[–]notjustanotherbot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I though it was a pop tart, please don't tell me this happened more than once.

[–]PickleInDaButt 10 points11 points  (5 children)

I use to carry my rifles and shotguns in my truck when I went to class because I was coming from a morning hunt or planning to go to a afternoon hunt directly from school. I had conversations with my teachers about it.

And at the same school, I got in trouble for jokingly telling my buddy I was going to pop him with a BB gun.

[–]Airsoft52 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I got in school suspension for a day for accidentally leaving a bottle of airsoft bbs in my bag

[–]lunar520 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I had a 1 on 1 state police detective visit when I made a tank out of a milk carton in 3rd grade. I was terrified. Honestly traumatizing to an 8 year old.

[–]Jeheh 58 points59 points  (43 children)

Reminds me of when my shop teacher left his pocket knife at home and asked the class if anyone had a knife....1/2 the hands went up and no one got expelled.

[–]Slappy_J 49 points50 points  (32 children)

Are pocketknives no longer allowed in school? I can't think of any guy in my class who didn't always have one handy.

During hunting season, 90% of the pickups in the school parking lot would have a shotgun and/or rifle in the gun rack.

Granted, I'm 29 years out of HS, so there's a small chance things may have changed slightly in the interim.

[–]Mojangmasta 50 points51 points  (1 child)

You can turn a piece of paper with an L on it sideways and get expelled.

[–]Jeheh 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Sad days.

[–]GodOfSnails 20 points21 points  (12 children)

Since a lot of the school shootings have occurred really anything that can be used as a weapon is "banned". My high school tho left the back doors open and literally anyone could walk in and out and no one would bat an eye. Safety was a "Top Priority"

[–]adamAtBeef 36 points37 points  (7 children)

Security theatre. It's much easier to pretend to care then to actually care and it makes people feel safer

[–]GodOfSnails 11 points12 points  (0 children)

For real ain't that the truth

[–]TreyLastname 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I actually have a funny story. So, at my school, we had a teaxhers parking lot with a gate that locks from one side. Only way anyone got in was if someone ok the school side walked in, someone had a staff card, or you tried climbing over. Well, I saw some parents or teachers trying to get in. They were shaking the handle, so I let them in. No thank you, instead I get "why did you let me in, what if I was a school shooter?". Listen. This was at the end of the school day, literally everyone was out side in the front to get picked up by car or bus. If you plan to shoot up a school at the end of the day, and dont do it where EVERYONE IS AT, then you're not a threat, you're a fucking idiot

[–]Jeheh 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I’m pretty sure a metal fork is considered a deadly weapon let alone an actual knife.

[–]wrat11 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I can kill you with a pencil or pen as easily as I can with a fork, if anything easier because I can get a pencil deeper into your skull than I can a fork.

[–]Jeheh 3 points4 points  (1 child)

/I can get a pencil deeper into your skull/

u/JohnWick enters the chat.

[–]Chef_Midnight 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Dude you haven't been able to bring ANY blade to school for decades.... even in the 90's I had a friend get expelled for having a "knife". It was a multi tool with a tiny blade.

[–]OsB4Hoes13 35 points36 points  (19 children)

pumped up kicks plays in the background

[–]Slappy_J 18 points19 points  (18 children)

Not taking down too many students with a lever action .308, I would think...

[–]Shroedingerzdog 7 points8 points  (13 children)

Pretty rare for there to be a lever 308, bolts are way more common, most 308 bullets are too pointed to be used safely in a tubular magazine

[–]Slappy_J 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Winchester Model 88. Gigantic piece of shit, but it was mine.

[–]Mongolium 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I got a hunting and boating certificate as a part of a school class, but I'm not sure whether either of them are actually still valid.

[–]Mamitroid3 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Same.

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We had hunters safety in the lunchroom, shot bb guns in the gym, and had demonstrations of different firearms on the back corner of the playground on school nights. None of which would ever be allowed today... but all of which has stuck with me for decades.

[–]Tandemduckling 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Graduated in 2001, Also grew up in rural idaho and had to do it in junior high. Our superintendent taught the class because he said it was necessary when his best friend blew off his thumb because he would routine dry fire his muzzle loader with his thumb over the barrel hole and one time he forgot he had it loaded still.

[–]Texan2116 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I can do you one better.....In 1980-81, I took a shop class, where we actually made bullets, for our teacher to use. We were literally weighing these to the gram, and polishing them. In the same class, another student (with the instructors help)...built a rifle barrel. This was in Metal shop. Now it goes without saying, that in woodshop...damn near everyone built a gun rack at some point.

[–]Goku3186 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ours (97, middle school) was a separate elective class that went over general firearms safety along with hunters ed. Even just months post Columbine they still let the teacher bring in a pellet gun for us to demonstrate competency in handling and shoot a target from prone, one-knee, and standing. Most of us had been shooting for almost a decade at that point anyway but it was nice for the kids who weren't regularly exposed to firearms to learn how to handle one appropriately.

[–]fat_strelok 1702 points1703 points  (110 children)

We had this in Yugoslavia, along with basic first aid and domestic skills like cooking and sewing. It was a good idea. The gun and first aid subject was called "Defense", and the other one was "Domestic".

Yugoslavia had the idea that conscript manpower would defend it alongside the professional army. That's why most older people are at least knowledgeable about basic gun safety or at least have a healthy amount of fear/respect for the gun.

Both classes were unisex, not knowing to shoot if you're a girl and not knowing to sew/cook if you're a man should be shameful again.

Then again there were Marxism classes too with which I don't agree, but I godda hand it to them that Defense and Domestic are fantastic ideas for a mandatory class.

[–]KickBallFever 370 points371 points  (31 children)

I really like that your classes we’re unisex and males and females learned the same skills. That’s awesome. When I had home economics here in the states it was the same way but your classes sound way better.

[–]CoeurdePirate222 73 points74 points  (15 children)

Agree. Yeah I wouldn’t mind them going over some things about guns and basic safety and whatnot - that would take ~3 days honestly and could have positive repercussions. But I think it should be integrated into a class like this that goes over stuff like how to interact with government websites for taxes or whatever and how to get a job and how to fill this out and how to blah blah. Like there’s so much stuff to teach people, that we just aren’t.

[–]OperationAsshat 29 points30 points  (13 children)

This 100%. A standard class lasts too long for it to be mostly gun safety and first aid, I could see it being extremely easy to teach the basics about taxes and proper resume building since these are basic skills that a lot of people have no clue about.

There were a large amount of people I went to school with who moved away and lost thousands because of shitty parents who continue to use their SSN for loans/credit cards/bank accounts as well as claiming them as dependent for years after.

And in the US we are pushing most of our students to immediately apply for tens, if not hundreds of thousands in student loans for college around the time and even before they turn 18. The entire culture involving young people and financing stupid amounts of debt is so fucked.

[–]adamAtBeef 12 points13 points  (12 children)

But hey, they know how to speak Spanish and solve polynomials. Useful skills in the real world for sure

[–]DancinginAshes 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Call it “adult survival skills” because that’s pretty much what a class teaching useful life skills would be.

[–]hammertime850 11 points12 points  (1 child)

as a guy i wished i learned more about cooking earlier. what an invaluable life skill

[–]Kyidou 6 points7 points  (11 children)

Why wouldn't any classes be unisex...?

[–]drtobbogan0 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Gun safety/hunting are often seen as stereotypical masculine things while sewing and cooking are typically seen as more feminine, at least in the US. I think things are changing though.

[–]15021993 49 points50 points  (8 children)

My parents and my brother grew up there, never mentioned to me they had these classes. I have to ask them, can’t imagine my mother holding a gun at all. Woman wouldn’t even hold a little baby chicken.

[–]Tillind 9 points10 points  (6 children)

My understanding is they had them in most of what are now post Soviet countries. Ukraine, for one

[–]irokes360 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yugoslavia was not post soviet tho

[–]ElephantMan28 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tito's rolling in his grave over that one

[–]halfasmuchastwice 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Probably gave her flashbacks to all the baby chickens we have to shoot in gun safety class. If you can hit a twitchy baby chicken, you can certainly defend your family from even the smallest meth addicts.

[–]satinsateensaltine 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I was about to mention this too. Defense also included things like learning flag signals and safe movement through dangerous zones (especially relevant given the constant threat the USSR posed to them). Absolutely I believe that at least domestic/home economics should receive much heavier emphasis than they currently do in the west.

[–]throwaway152038 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I remember that you have to protect wells from being poisoned by the enemy and how to properly place landmines.

Also I remember gunshot firstaid!

[–]sldunn 26 points27 points  (8 children)

I agree that it's a good idea to have both skills. For domestic, you won't always have your mother around, as an adult you need to be able to take care of yourself. For defense, I'm a believer in the sentiment that God made humanity, and Sam Colt made them equal.

[–]BEARA101 24 points25 points  (7 children)

In Yugoslavia Mikhail Kalashnikov made them equal

[–]fat_strelok 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Crvena Zastava gun manufacturers from Kragujevac. We have an RPK copy (the Soviets didn't want to give us an AK) so we made the M70 which is tougher and more accurate than some AKs out there.

Not the best AK in the world, but it sure is nice.

[–]BEARA101 4 points5 points  (4 children)

It's not the best, but I'd say it's in the top 5 AKs in the world when it comes to the quality, eome even say the only foreign production better than the M70 is the Romanian one. Getting my hands on a semi-automatic version would be the dream, but it seems less and less likely since the government is trying to make it harder to get firearms in Serbia.

Also, wasn't it based on the AKM? The one based on the RPK is the M72.

[–]ek1995 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Just asked my dad about this, and he confirmed that there were in fact weapons classes. Never knew that, very cool.

[–]Animationproject 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I like this "Both classes were unisex, not knowing to shoot if you're a girl and not knowing to sew/cook if you're a man should be shameful again."

[–]Jenny_Tillia 279 points280 points  (51 children)

I agree with this. In a country where firearms are so easily accessible, and so many kids live in homes where there are firearms present, kids absolutely should be taught gun safety.

I went to school in a rural community. The vast majority of kids lived in homes with multiple firearms, and many of them and their family members were avid hunters, so much so that when I was a kid there was no school on the first day of hunting season. Once they stopped closing school on opening day they gave everyone one "personal day" per year to take off that didn't count towards attendance so kids could still take that day off.

There was a hunter's safety course every year held on school grounds after school which was a requirement for kids to obtain their hunting license for the year. It discussed firearm safety as well as how to properly gut/dress a deer and state hunting laws.

Even crazier yet, before Columbine (which happened when I was in 5th grade) kids could BRING THEIR HUNTING RIFLES TO SCHOOL during hunting season if they were going hunting right after school. They had to be unloaded and immediately brought to the office where the secretary would lock them up in a room in the office and they could be picked up once the final bell rang. Teenagers who could drive were able to leave their RIFLES in their car, locked in the trunk in the parking lot, but they were required to remain there for the duration of the day.

My school was k-12 and I remember all this from when I was a kid. My brother remembers it too, and he is 5 years older than me. Neither of us have any memories if anyone doing anything stupid, unsafe, or threatening. Everyone respected and followed the rules, because most of us grew up in homes where we were educated about safety and taught to take firearms very very seriously.

[–]The_Waltesefalcon 81 points82 points  (23 children)

When I was a kid I brought my dad's 03A3 and WWI era 1911 to school when we were studying WWI. I had to leave them with a principal but I stopped there on the way to history class and took them back after class. I wasn't escorted in the halls or anything while I was carrying to or from the office.

Just a few years ago when my sons were still in school kids could bring their rifles to school during hunting season as long as they were unloaded and locked in their vehicles.

[–]ytphantom 13 points14 points  (8 children)

If I had had my Winchester Model 12 by then, I could not have done that, let's be real. My teachers would've probably been cool with it, but even were I to have stuck a gun lock in it and left the key in the car (or at home,) the principals would have probably been too sissified to let me do it. It's not even a WW2 model 12, it's a '47 with a simmons rib.

[–]The_Waltesefalcon 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Heck, I'm a history teacher now and I wouldn't be allowed to bring my Model 97 trench gun to school for class nowadays.

[–]ytphantom 10 points11 points  (4 children)

It kind of sucks. Sure, you can argue that guns and schools should not mix, but an unloaded gun with a gun lock in it cannot possibly hurt someone unless the gun lock is removed. Even then, they'd need ammo or they'd have to use it like a club, which at that point just bring a softball bat to school.

[–]The_Waltesefalcon 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Which there are plenty of at school already. We have a lot of laws that are kinds nonsensical. I hold a CCL and being a teacher I've had to pass multiple background checks and have no ctiminal record whatsoever but I'm still not trustworthy enough to bring a gun into the school.

[–]ytphantom 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yeah, no kidding. The laws really are nonsensical, like me being able to walk into a gun store at 20 and buy an antique shotgun that's mechanically capable of firing much faster than a banned automatic shotgun such as the AA-12, with the only string attached being that it needs lead shot or other forms of soft metal shot because steel shot would wear out the barrel, yet I can't legally purchase a handgun from an FFL. I could also go to a Barrett sponsored dealer or to Barrett themselves and buy a Barrett M107A1 (if I had the money for the rather large but imo worth every cent price tag, that is) at my current age. But not a 9mm.

It's stupid. It's just... Stupid.

[–]Claymore357 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The product of making gun laws due to emotion not logic

[–]worthrone11160606 8 points9 points  (11 children)

Okay what the heck is a 03A3

[–]The_Waltesefalcon 22 points23 points  (5 children)

WWI rifle used by the USA.

[–]worthrone11160606 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Wait was your dad in ww1 or he bought them later on in his life?

[–]The_Waltesefalcon 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The 1911 had been his grandad's the 03A3 was just a rifle he bought.

[–]worthrone11160606 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Ah okay well thanks ro answering my question and have a good day kind sir or ma'am

[–]Snoutpile 2377 points2378 points  (249 children)

This is the most American post i've ever seen, have an upvote.

[–]bananacumshake 371 points372 points  (45 children)

I thought the exact same thing.

[–]PanicAtTheFishIsle 225 points226 points  (42 children)

Just when you thought you’d seen enough yeehaw, there was one last yeee to give.

[–]VenusHalley 242 points243 points  (102 children)

Yeah. European me is like... all of the kids will have sex at one point. Maybe one kid out of the entire grade (about 75 kids) will get a gun.

[–]karma_aversion 223 points224 points  (50 children)

It depends but in some rural areas in the US about 90% of the kids will eventually own a gun and maybe 99% will be near a gun at some point in their lives.

[–]bananacumshake 265 points266 points  (27 children)

And maybe one kid will have sex at one point.

[–]sldunn 104 points105 points  (11 children)

If you are out in rural areas, there isn't much things to do but have sex... and meth.

[–]dik2112 40 points41 points  (1 child)

And you can make both by yourself!

[–]original_username_79 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I'm in a rural area. We shoot soda cans off fence posts.

[–]BanMeGayMod 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We happy pinecones out of trees

[–]Strick63 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And guns!

[–]poorgreazy 46 points47 points  (2 children)

In the inner city there's nothing to do but sell drugs and impregnate women with no intention of being in the child's life.

See I can stereotype too.

[–]Totally_Not_Evil 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Yea but both of those are correct. Poor rednecks have more in common with poor inner city people than you might think.

[–]mynameisnotshamus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And shoot guns and hunt.

[–]KnowsAboutMath 44 points45 points  (4 children)

"Recent CDC statistics indicate that as many as 4 in 7 Americans will die at some point in their lives."

[–]huntersburroughs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hardest laugh I've had all day. Thanks.

[–]Lucid-Crow 21 points22 points  (6 children)

The county with the absolute highest rate of gun ownership is only 64%.

http://www.city-data.com/top2/co8.html

[–]DukePotato0620 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Problem is stats tends to be wrong, especially with guns. Doesn't matter who does the estimate it the survey there will be inaccuracies. Especially with guns because many people who own firearms are also very private

[–]karma_aversion 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Thats just current gun ownership. What percentage have owned a gun at some point in their lives, but don't currently own one?

[–]vanpunke666 13 points14 points  (1 child)

hell even that aint accurate, my father in law owns tons of guns and the whole family just uses his when they go hunting. Statistically thats only one out of 15 people owning a gun with 66% using one regularly

[–]KingDominoIII 52 points53 points  (15 children)

There are more guns than people in the US. 43 percent of Americans report living with a gun.

[–]Mo_dawg1 71 points72 points  (11 children)

That's people who admit to owning guns.

[–]thatHecklerOverThere 15 points16 points  (3 children)

More specifically admit to things.

You'll find plenty of folks to tell you proudly about their guns. Just not if you look like the government.

[–]Mo_dawg1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Or people claiming to be doing surveys

[–]a_dry_banana 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well you see for what the government knows you tragically lost it in a boating accident soo you see...

[–]Blackops606 19 points20 points  (11 children)

75 kids in a grade? That's crazy compared to ours. My schools had anywhere from 300-600 per grade. Total amount of kids per school was roughly 1200.

[–]VenusHalley 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Today I was telling my friend our school (grades 1-9) has 600 kids and she was "oh such a big school!"

(and yeah, it is normal where I live to have grades 1-9 in one school. Some schools are split to first and second "levels", but that is not so common).

[–]BigBeefyWalrus 119 points120 points  (20 children)

If you want to know a I guess fun fact:

My parents are from Armenia when it was controlled by the Soviet Union. In High School my dad and every other boy in the school was taught how to field strip an AK because after high school would be the mandatory military service. He didn’t actually serve and moved to the US at 19.

Onto the actual topic, this sounds great. I was taught Gun Safety at age 10 by my dad. He’s a hunter. The first few times we went to the range he would keep teaching me the four basic rules. It’s basically engraved into my brain at this point

[–]WhackDanielz 58 points59 points  (16 children)

The four rules, for the uninitiated:

  1. Assume every gun is loaded.
  2. Never point a gun at something you're not willing to destroy.
  3. Know your target and what's beyond it.
  4. Keep your goddamn booger hook off the bang switch until you're ready to bring the hate.

[–]WTF-Is_The_Internet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is what I was taught when I took classes to learn to handle and shoot guns safely, because I had no idea what I was doing. My instructor also told me that if I'm ever at the range, and people are doing stupid shit, to leave.

My first time at the range by myself, 5 minutes in, I see a green dot from the laser sight of a gun someone laid on the back table come over my shoulder into side of my lane. It probably wasn't loaded, but rule number one says it was. Luckily the range officer saw this and reprimanded the guy before I could even figure out what was going on.

My second time, RO watching the CCTV has to come in 3 times and call cease fire on all lanes to remind the same group of their one strict rule, no rapid fire, double tap only, then 3 Mississippis.

I'm starting to think if I follow my instructors 5th rule, I'll never get any range time in, and I go during off hours when most people are at work.

[–]pelftruearrow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I appreciate it when someone says #4 correctly. This is how I teach people and they seem to make them stick in their memory better. Good job citizen 👍

[–]coralilith 97 points98 points  (56 children)

Why is reddit always coming up with new mandatory classes? My schedule for school this year is already packed with stuff, I don’t even have room for a lunch period. But if reddit had it their way I would be taking gun safety and tax class instead of math.

[–]pinballwitch420 74 points75 points  (28 children)

Society wants schools to take up a lot of things that parents and guardians should be teaching young people.

[–]kingbris 28 points29 points  (11 children)

I hate when parents don't never wanna parent.

[–]horatio_cavendish[S] 4 points5 points  (14 children)

True. But if they're not doing it does that really mean we shouldn't try?

[–]SteliosAstinos 16 points17 points  (17 children)

Lol yeah seriously. People on Reddit want schools to teach: how to cook, how to do taxes, basic carpentry and plumbing and now gun safety. Some shit is the parents job or take it upon yourself.

[–]manginahunter1970 265 points266 points  (80 children)

Grew up in Juneau Alaska. We had a gun range in the basement of our school. We were all taught gun safety. You gotta be one dumb motherfucker to not let your kid get educated in gun safety. Regardless of your stance. You just never know.

[–]Nobody_Pure 56 points57 points  (7 children)

Yep. Better to be taught safety and a small measure of fear than learn about them from Hollywood.

[–]diachi_revived 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Regardless of your stance. You just never know.

That's why I encourage everyone I know here in Canada to go do the Firearms Safety Course, lots of guns here too and knowing how to safely handle one if you happen to come across one doesn't hurt.

[–]vorkuta_step_8 17 points18 points  (4 children)

At our high school, we have our school’s security guard come in to our class at least once a year to talk about how to interact with police, how to report a crime, and stuff along those lines. I feel like the four basic guns rules for safety could be thrown in during this talk.

[–]KaizenSheepdog 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Let’s add the “how to interact with police” talk to high school. I got that from my folks.

[–]FrankTM26 60 points61 points  (10 children)

I remember a conversation I had with an older woman at my last job. She told me how they had classes like this in high school and they even taught you how to shoot it as well. I think it also stemmed from it being a farm community too, so everyone had to be capable of operating one.

I do feel that the analogy you brought up does work. If increased and proper sex ed lowers risks associated with it, then maybe gun education can do the same to lower unnecessary incidents.

[–]haloblasterA259 14 points15 points  (8 children)

I mean I don’t think it should be mandatory in our school system but you should definitely need to attend some sort of class (outside of the education system) before you can own a gun.

[–]Lindsay_Yay 234 points235 points  (135 children)

A lot of people don’t know anything about firearms and just fear monger

[–]horatio_cavendish[S] 191 points192 points  (117 children)

A disturbing amount of adults don't even understand the difference between semi-automatic and fully-automatic.

[–]Luperca4 140 points141 points  (60 children)

If you asked many what AR stood for. They would say “Assault Rifle”.

[–]Douglas408 89 points90 points  (26 children)

This right here. That crap is what I hate, when they say AR is for assault rifle

[–]TheGermanRaccoon 38 points39 points  (25 children)

What does it mean? I’m a bit uneducated, but being 15 that kind of proves OPs point

[–]Douglas408 77 points78 points  (20 children)

It stands for Armalite, or armalite rifle. Always happy to educate

[–]TheGermanRaccoon 31 points32 points  (18 children)

Interesting! Never knew that, just assumed it ment assault rifle. Thanks!

[–]thebombwillexplode1 28 points29 points  (13 children)

Media and politicains created the words "Assault Weapon" when in reality it's been Armalite all along

Edit- changed assault rifle to assault weapon

[–]Testiculese 25 points26 points  (12 children)

They created "assault weapon", which is an undefined term that they blatantly misuse. Assault rifle is already a well-defined term...that they blatantly misuse.

[–]thebombwillexplode1 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Ok you are correct I looked it up. It seems Hitler created the term for propaganda.

[–]Douglas408 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No problem!

[–]whiskey4mymen 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Armalite is the manufacturer

[–]knerr57 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily the manufacturer, but the OG design was from Armalite. At this point, nearly every American gun manufacturer makes some version of the AR15

[–]ytphantom 14 points15 points  (6 children)

"them dadgum semi-fully automatic AR-14s"

-idk I'm just strawmanning boomers here for the meme

[–]pigeondobs 26 points27 points  (7 children)

“You could kill someone with a gun therefore it is bad” bitch I could kill you with a bologna sandwich

[–]jicty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Look at the UK. This is a legitimate tweet from a legitimate British police department.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mpsregentspark/status/974645778558980096?lang=en

Like, really? I can't have hand tools anymore?

[–]miraculous_spackle 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, in a country where there's a good chance you might run into a gun, it's wise for people to have safety training/operator training.

Even if you never even pick one up, you may someday be around a situation where you would benefit from being aware of what's going on. Or god forbid if you needed to take a gun from someone and quickly unload/safe it.

[–]friar-of-beans 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Yes fuck yes, ignorance is dangerous especially with firearms.

[–]mouthshutearsopen00 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My high school in the late 90’s had a health and safety class with a gun safety section. The class was mostly CPR and first aid but also covered the written tests for boating, fishing, and hunting licenses. The hunting section included gun safety and an afternoon trip to shoot skeet.

[–]PforOpossum 256 points257 points  (147 children)

You could effectively cover it in one lesson.

Always treat a gun like its loaded

dont point it at anything you dont want shot

Be aware of what's behind your target

Dont put you finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot.

There's no point buying a gun and using up a whole day in class to go over gun ownership when half the people won't ever own a gun.

Edit: this entire thread is either people trying to argue but actually agreeing with me or people making the argument of "kids are already fucking stupid and dont know things, let's take time away from their education to teach them about guns instead".

[–]BaronSathonyx 231 points232 points  (70 children)

There's no point buying a gun and using up a whole day in class to go over gun ownership when half the people won't ever own a gun.

That would make sense if you were able to determine which students would end up never owning a gun.

Since that's not really an option, you can get a bit more specific as kids go through school:

  • Elementary school: Focus on "stop, don't touch, run away, find an adult"
  • Middle school: basic firearm operation, how to make them safe and confirm they're safe
  • High school: basics of self-defense law, legal consequences

That way, you could at least make sure a greater number of kids left public education with a working knowledge of firearms and cut down on the number of accidental deaths.

[–]aintwelcomehere 28 points29 points  (6 children)

Knowing self defense law could be a whole class in itself. So important to understand escalation concepts.

[–]horatio_cavendish[S] 87 points88 points  (9 children)

Exactly. We don't need to bring real guns into the classroom to combat basic ignorance in much the same way that we don't have to have sex in the classroom to demonstrate how to use a condom.

[–]Geschiedenismemes 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Wait we don’t? Then why did the teacher tell me we do

[–]Kaimeros 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The blue dummy guns from combative training would work perfectly well for this. So would the daisy drill rifles for that matter. Most ROTC programs have them anyway.

[–]hopalong2019 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I grew up around guns (rural Midwest) but never had an interest or desire to use one myself. They give me a bit of anxiety. We now live in an area with 0 police in the town at all, and there have been break ins within the last few months. We have guns, but I never learned how to shoot. My husband (marine veteran) has now been teaching me the basics. We're still on the load, check if loaded, unload, and safety portion. He doesn't want me to start shooting until I understand that portion. He taught me "Treat Never Keep Keep" which is the same thing you said, just worded different.

[–]Its-Average 26 points27 points  (8 children)

“There’s no point in learning about European history when half the class won’t use it”

[–]Possumface2 12 points13 points  (8 children)

(European here) we don’t have guns but I think it would be a good idea in the US and possibly the UK. Mate we spend hours and hours learning how to analyse poetry when most people aren’t even gonna look at a poem after they’re 18. We spend hours learning about acids and bases and moles and shit when the most people are ever gonna use that for is maybe some kind of home depo or something. If we can spend that much time on all that we can afford to spend one day learning the potentially life saving skill of gun safety.

[–]PforOpossum 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Dude pretty much no USA state teaches kids actual life skills. Knowing how to use excel or basic coding are both pretty important and useful skills and yet we never learn it.

[–]WeskerCVX 12 points13 points  (1 child)

that's like saying I dont need car insurance because Iv never been in an accident. People that lack foresight think like this and usually end up in a lot of shitty situations because of it.

[–]poorgreazy 18 points19 points  (7 children)

What a glib take.

The biggest emotion around guns in fear. Fear of the scary boom sticks the media loves to paint as autonomous murder machines. Teach the kids, have them actually operate a gun safely and remove the fear.

There's literally nothing scary about guns but all proponents of gun removal laws are scared of them.

[–]Comrade22MB 159 points160 points  (93 children)

I'm sorry, is this some sort of american thing that I'm too canadian to understand?

[–]TheUnkindledAsh 123 points124 points  (28 children)

It really is.

I'm Irish, and my first thought was "Well if this ain't some yeehaw type shit right here".

[–]bignotion 52 points53 points  (29 children)

Why? Canada has a high rate of gun ownership. There are 9.95 million firearms — or 31 per 100 residents - in Canada. One would think with that many guns, a gun safety course would make sense.

[–]IllvisFreshly 36 points37 points  (16 children)

You take the safety course before you are allowed to posses the weapon. Not everyone needs to know how to use firearms from childhood but gun owners surely should

[–]frenchiefromcanada 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I have not seen a gun in my life outside museums. If you don't go hunting or live on a farm, you don't see guns in Canada.

[–]deja_blues 11 points12 points  (0 children)

With your third edit point:

I took NRA CCW training when I was 14. It was a two day course. The first day was a 10 hour class that was ENTIRELY reading the law and learning the parts of a gun and what they're for, how to assemble and disassemble it, how to be safe with it, etc. There was not a single gun in that classroom that day. If we could not pass a test (where you had to get 90% correct on, I believe), we were not allowed to proceed to the range the next day. We also were not allowed to pass the class if we did not reach that goal. I agree with your opinion that something like this would be a FANTASTIC thing to have in schools, so even if you're not the one with the gun, you're able to understand what another person is capable of if they have one in their hands.

[–]Jeheh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I learned basic gun safety in the scouts when I was 8-9 and we had marksmanship in HS as a gym elective. Any more I though even in this age the mere mention of a gun on conversation would get a kid expelled. s/

[–]SilentlyStoned420 5 points6 points  (30 children)

This is a great idea. I don't even like guns, mainly because I'm afraid I'm going to hurt someone accidentally and they scare me. But this is smart. Teaching people proper safety is a great idea and it would probably lead to less misuse.

[–]Hurricaneshand 3 points4 points  (29 children)

And if this class existed and you had learned when you were young chances are that you probably would be less fearful of them and understand how to not hurt someone accidentally if you ever came into possession of a firearm for whatever reason.

[–]srjod 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Life skills class in general. - having students understand how to balance a budget - understanding credit APR % - understanding how taxes and home loans work - basic first aid - basic nutrition - basic domestic skills / sewing, cooking, - basic HYGIENE

Educate yourself so you’re not bent to the will of the corporate machines.

[–][deleted] 280 points281 points  (320 children)

Gun safety training should be mandatory to be allowed to purchase a gun. There is no reason to spend money buying guns for public school students. That’s wasteful and not really an effective way of addressing the problem of lack of training.

[–]MrsTurnPage 207 points208 points  (84 children)

There are Army and Marine recruiting stations all over the US. It would be nothing to have them go around their local school districts to teach teenagers the basic 4 rules of gun safety. No one needs to buy guns for it.

Edit so y'all quit:

THEY DON'T NEED GUNS TO TEACH GUN SAFETY!!! ITS FOUR FUCKING PRINCIPLES AND YOU CAN TEACH TRIGGER CONTROL WITH ANYTHING THAT HAS A TRIGGER/MUZZLE AWARENESS WITH SQUIRT BOTTLES FROM THE DOLLAR TREE! NO GUNS NEED TO BE PURCHASED OR BROUGHT INTO THE SCHOOL!

FUCKING A. DO WE PROVIDE DILDOS AND FLESH LIGHTS FOR SEX EDUCATION? USE YOUR BRAINS!

[–]DocMerlin 59 points60 points  (28 children)

The NRA does it for free if you let them. They were actually started because new immigrants to the US didn't know how to use guns safely, and needed to be taught.

[–]SouthernYoghurt9 50 points51 points  (2 children)

This. Basic gun safety should be covered, gun training is overkill

[–]BaronSathonyx 64 points65 points  (72 children)

Yeah, no. Requiring someone to pass a test before being allowed to exercise a right was ruled unconstitutional when literacy tests were struck down by the Supreme Court.

[–]C-Makimaki 28 points29 points  (54 children)

Shall not be infringed. If gun training were mandatory somone would make absurd requirements to soft ban guns.

[–]Rattle_Brain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I kinda agree. There will always be someone who enjoy guns, so it'll be less risky for the rest of us if that person knows how them work, simply because he'll be less likely to make a mistake that could end terribly wrong. (Keep in mind that I'm excluding guys with any kind of mental disorder that could push them to kill someone).

[–]Wompdonkey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Had it in Texas growing up.

[–]crowdsourced 4 points5 points  (13 children)

A course should at least be a requirement to purchase a firearm.

[–]IFuckingLoveHalloumi 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Sorry but as a European, this kind of thoughts always shock me... I can think of at least 20 topics that should be taught in school and firearms would never make it to the top 100. But I do agree that if there are firearms in every homes, then better be safe than sorry.

[–]bog-boy-bombo 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Or just... no guns at all...

[–]_bird_internet[🍰] 54 points55 points  (55 children)

Far too many people are shot with "unloaded" guns.

Let's put this in perspective. In 2018, there were 458 deaths from unintentional shootings in the US. While that is a lot, that actually ranks far below things like poisonings (62,399), car accidents (37,991), and falls (37,455). Accidental gun deaths even ranks below accidental machinery deaths (525), and drowning (3,710).

People dying from unintentional shootings is obviously bad, and there should be better gun training, but putting every child through mandatory gun training seems really extreme. Gun safety should be mandatory for anyone who wants to use a gun, but lots of people never come into contact with guns and have no interest in it. This just seems like a way to further put guns into our culture and normalize its use with children.

[–]Oopdidoop 14 points15 points  (10 children)

I don’t really want to reply to most of your comment because I’m not sure what to say exactly, but it probably wouldn’t be taught to children, rather teenagers (15 or 16 maybe? Older?)

[–]XA36 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think education would change depending on age and possibly region. A 5 year old should never touch a gun without an adult present anywhere. A 13 year old in NYC should probably get the same treatment, but I was competing in trapshooting at that age. 17 year olds anywhere should know safe storage, handling, laws regarding firearms, etc.

[–]ilivetofly 10 points11 points  (18 children)

Right but do you not teach children how to swim at school? I have also heard that in America some schools teach students how to drive.

You can't teach a kid how to not fall over or every single thing that could lead to an accidental poisoning. Folks try though. Aka no running in the hallways or with scissors. Chemistry class will teach about the dangers of mixing household items. Etc etc.

How to operate machinery should be taught on the job and failure to do so will get the employer sued to fuck.

Seems guns are the one topic that just has nothing mandatory to deal with it.

[–]_bird_internet[🍰] 20 points21 points  (6 children)

Teaching children to swim at school is not mandatory. It did not happen at any of the schools around me. I've never heard of high schools teaching kids to drive either.

... Chemistry class will teach about the dangers of mixing household items. Etc etc.

Poisoning is not why we teach chemistry. I think you misunderstood my point in listing out deaths. I was pointing out that it was relatively low in comparison to other things, not that we need lessons for each of these in school.

How to operate machinery should be taught on the job and failure to do so will get the employer sued to fuck.

Yes. Which is also why we should have mandatory gun lessons for people who want to use guns. It doesn't need to be mandatory for everyone, just for people who use them. I don't need to understand how to operate a fork lift, because I don't use one. So why do I need to know how to use a gun?

Seems guns are the one topic that just has nothing mandatory to deal with it.

Mandatory for people who use them, not for everyone like OP is arguing.

[–]DrankTooMuchMead 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I took a firearms class in my community college. We met at the police range outside the campus, of course, but it permanently got me into the hobby. That was 11 years ago and it was taught by police.

[–]39point5 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I also think the laws behind properly using a firearm in self defense should be covered. That kind of ignorance has led to a few people getting arrested for murder in my area.

[–]Divisnn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In 8th grade (the year before high school, for non-Americans), my school had a skeet shooting "club". The bio teacher would take a few 8th graders out to the clay pigeon shack behind the school and we'd shot them with 12 gauges. This was less than 20 years ago in the Northeast. I can't imagine this is allowed anymore, but I certainly enjoyed it.

[–]teddymcpix 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You should change your title to “Gun Safety Training should be mandatory in High School in the United States of America”

The rest of the world seems to have less of a problem. Indeed here in the UK the thought of a 16 year old getting hold of a gun that wasn’t an air rifle would be a challenge...

[–]Nissan240sxDude 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely no reason a child should not understand weapon safety. I don’t think people could even begin to argue this. It’s not like we’re advocating for teaching preteens to clear rooms or anything. A lot of gun deaths are result of negligence and negligence is the result of poor training. I support this idea. I remember doing a bow and arrow course in PE class in 7th grade, it wouldn’t be so difficult to add in some firearm safety training.

[–]shyasaturtleLikes boiled beef 14 points15 points  (4 children)

laughs in Switzerland where there are gun competitions for kids

[–]Butler-of-Penises 13 points14 points  (9 children)

So should growing and cooking food; survival training as well; hunting; critical thinking rather than memorization... all that good shit.

But they don’t teach that stuff by design. The state doesn’t want you armed, capable, and self reliant. They want you reliant on them for safety and survival.

[–]InfidelBurner 20 points21 points  (22 children)

A lot of schools already do this with archery and have optional rifle clubs (though people are trying to get these removes). Maybe if more people learn about firearms and why we have the second amendment, people will understand why all gun control is completely unconstitutional.

[–]Bloo3p 38 points39 points  (64 children)

Yup. Guns aren’t the problem, people are. Look at countries like Switzerland, they have guns, but the people who own the firearms, are educated, and taught proper gun use. That’s the problem.

[–]LaughsAtOwnJoke 23 points24 points  (61 children)

I mean in Switzerland you have to get a license which is a far better start then forcing kids to learn about them in school.

They also have a more strict ban on automatic weapons.

Actually using them for the basis of a comparison to the US is just completely disingenuous to begin with.

[–]2ndaccountlmao 15 points16 points  (5 children)

US has banned automatic weapons as well, they never confiscated them but they are illegal to produce and there are very few left

[–]Douglas408 17 points18 points  (4 children)

United States also bans automatic weapons except under very special conditions. So why is this brought up as a point?

[–]bignotion 6 points7 points  (3 children)

They also have a flat out ban on automatic weapons.

So does the US....

[–]burningwatermelon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Been saying this for a while, fallen on deaf ears until now. I’m glad someone agrees with me. Even if you don’t plan to own a gun, there is zero downside to knowing how to be safe around one.

[–]mikerichh 20 points21 points  (10 children)

Disagree. I’d rather required classes on budgeting, taxes, and insurance first because everyone will need that. Not everyone will own a gun

[–]Trippn21 5 points6 points  (0 children)

*elementary school

with yearly reviews