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[–]YAsh20036 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! Just wondering if Kokomi is worth pulling for even with Fontaine coming up?

I need her for my Ayaka freeze team… but would it be better to skip her? I saw a leak saying healers will be important in Fontaine, so what do you guys think?

[–]yasuhosarlewrio waiting room 12 points13 points  (3 children)

i cant decide how i feel about the idea of wristwatch being on standard 🤔

on one hand, the idea of him never getting a rateup after his initial banner really sucks. on the other, i personally probably wouldn’t go out of my way to pull for him (assuming hes a cryo on field dps), but he’s another character i wouldn’t mind losing 50/50 to.

i wish mhy would do something to help with the lack of guarantee for standard characters. some other games have choice tickets (letting you choose a 5*), either that you can buy or earn through events over time. or they could periodically do banners for standard characters, like they did with keqing… although, that can feel pretty bad because some reruns take so long that it feels as if a standard character is taking someone else’s place. i just feel like the longer the game goes on, the more of a problem the whole banner system is going to become lol.

[–]hotdogsea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ive made a rule for myself to pull on characters who are confirmed to be on standard. i missed it on tighnari but did it for dehya. luckily, i got tighnari while pulling for kirara, but the thought of not getting tighnari for god knows how many patches scares me.

i know i know theyre always on the standard banner, but its when youll actually get them, like me who got my first ever qiqi at ar 58

[–]c6-barbaraharbringer of death flags 2 points3 points  (1 child)

tbh im kinda glad i have a reason to look forward to my 50/50s, but the idea of him possibly never coming home is annoying me — i’m probably going to have to pull on his 1st banner for him,

[–]yasuhosarlewrio waiting room 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thats exactly how i feel, honestly 😭

its nice to have a reason to make 50/50 losses not feel so bad, but it also feels really terrible to know that you have to rely solely on those to maybe get the character you want. thats the situation i’m in right now with tighnari 🥲

[–]box-of-sourballsFontaine's men are lucky these prison bars are holding me back[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What are you still doing here Wilbur, you have to head off to the farm at the new megathread!

[–]Roboaki Uncle Tian T0 Support 7 points8 points  (0 children)

After getting Chongyun for the Xth times in this banner while still having no Kirara

My headcanon now is that Chongyun's Yang being so strong than he scared Box Cat away.

[–]SpikeLeonCrow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I could easily went though this abyss using some pretty helpful 5* but i dont know why i decided to torture myself using hyperbloom double electro to beat the second chamber, And even restricting more with only using 4* to do both chambers. It was so infuriating and painful i decided to go an use colleinternational for the second chamber and a half-asset sucrose aggravate (lvl 50 yaoyao somehow was pretty reliable for the first chamber and the consecrated frenzy) for the first one. fortunately, i was able to 36* with these teams but now im with the doubt if 12-1-2 is posible using fishl-kuki. I've seen othe people doing so with yae-fishl. but there was a nahida that melts throught the hydro lector. In my tortuous attemps I had to conform with dendro aether and his random targeting/low dendro gauge :,(. Apart fom that, The baptist is a joke and batman dies pretty fast with hyperbloom, Its so unfortunate these two were behind abyss freeze madness.

[–]kitsune_reiTall pyro men, please love me back 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So, I've gotten my C+++ Xingqiu:

  • from the beginner banner
  • from limited character bannerS < plural
  • from standard banner
  • from the weapon banner
  • and the latest, from the standard banner again after spending a blue fate that I got from ascending...Xingqiu.

I don't know, just a guess, but I think he really likes me. /facepalm

[–]im_daing_insideWriot! at the Disco 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just fell down on my knees in walmart after reading rizz sley is rumoured to be standard. 😔

[–]BraveKetchupDahlia Waiting Room 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Manifesting Wriotheslay has good team synergy with Kaeya 🕯🕯

[–]equivocaloid exo comeback in 2 weeks!! 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Bought blue wishes and used them, saw that I had 7 pity for my next non blue colored wish. After buying my Kaeya con, I had 5 leftover glitter so I said OK sure I'll buy a blue wish with that. Nothing. I said, OK I can spare a few wishes from abyss for this. Did abyss and used 3 wishes for standard. This time, a pink star showed up. Please, I thought, please. And there you have it, my 14th Xinyan.

[–]OneOfQiqisFewFan- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahhh, the good ol' gambler's itch

[–]Cat_Lady_231545 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Odd thought, but if Wriothesley is going to standard, I wonder if they're trying to even out the gender ratio a bit? Diluc vs. Qiqi/Mona/Jean/Keqing, now jumping to vs. Diluc/Tighnari/Wrio... but then plus Dehya, so that kinda squashes the thought a bit.

But HSR started with near parity between male and female 5* characters, and going forward leaks suggest one new character each per patch for a while.

I wonder if data from Genshin show that male chars do just as well in sales (or keep some players engaged who might otherwise not play), and thus they've decided to embrace gender parity a bit more.

Also, Sumeru dropped a ton of 5* male chars, evening it out a lot in Genshin as well. We're now at 14 vs. 18 male to female 5* (including standard chars) if I counted right. If you exclude child characters, that drops to 14 vs. 15.

Just a thought I had as I grapple with the idea of Wrio on standard, haha.

(Please note I'm not trying to start a war, I pull male and female chars pretty much equally.)

[–]Todorokill THE SIBS ARE HOME 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Honestly i don’t think they have a checklist like that. People keep expecting them to drop a geo in there to fill the element checklist but they added an another pyro claymore. I feel like these patterns we try to figure out don’t really exist on their side as much haha

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not a big of Wriothesley's outfit. It's not slaying as much as I thought it would. I guess the general theme of Fontaine isn't my cup of tea. The characters look way more top heavy than usual, but really plain on the pants section.

[–]Freyja6607Ribbit 17 points18 points  (0 children)

For a main event that was supposed to be a TCG tournament and advertised as such... we barely get to see the actual competition :/

We spent more time running around like headless chicken doing unrelated things (and the payoff was dogshit!!)

Hoyo really dropped the ball on this one, why cant we have a nice little TCG tournament w/ no bullshit story to accompany it??

Also why does all event need to have some emotional scenes or a big lore tied w/ it?? Cant we just have a funny filler main event with the playable cast??

[–]outsidebtw 5 points6 points  (2 children)

while i deleted my comments on first impressions on abyss, it's comforting to see - based on up/downvotes, the controversial status - that people are still on the fence about this new abyss, mostly negative on my negative comment, and positive on my positive comment. which is pretty cool in some perspective

how about that. regretting deleting that previous comment now

[–]Whap_Reddit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Don't worry about the votes. And don't feel the need to remove your comment when it's downvoted. What is the worst that happens? You imaginary reddit karma number goes down?

No matter what your opinion is you'll step on someone's toes.

If you say the abyss wasn't that bad when building around the mechanics, you'll be labeled as an elitist whose flexing their skill.

If you say it is too difficult and it's unfair, you will be labeled as the reason Genshin won't ever get end game variety.

If you pick your words and try to remain as neutral as possible while ignoring your own opinion you could probably avoid downvotes. But what's the point in putting on a facade to get likes from others?

[–]outsidebtw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah shouldn't have done deleted it

oh well, that's past now

still, pretty cool of you to remind me stuff. thanks

[–]fireforged_ysaving for hexenzirkel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So... in Genshin, chess are invented by Celestia?

[–]rysto32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had to resort to Hu Tao Burgeon on the second half and suffer through my Kokomi taser team on the first half, but I 9-starred Abyss 12. I've decided that I really hate Beidou though. She's just got too many problems to be an actually good unit despite her theoretical numbers looking great. She sucks in single target, she sucks in AoE, her energy problems are horrendous, and even in a favourable two-target situation you still lose all of your DPS if one enemy dies before the other or the enemies are more than like 5 mm apart (why yes, I did just get done fighting the consecrated beasts, how could you tell?)

[–]TrapFestival 8 points9 points  (2 children)

If you can't remember Wriothesley's name, think of him as a Sonic OC. His name is Wrio, and he's a sley. Whatever that is.

[–]CaelVK Ei did nothing wrong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

rizz slay

[–]wet_blanket_tinfoilI will the Sigewinne 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Rewatching MHA and I forgot how charming it is

I think the insane fandom really just affected my memory of the show lol

[–]crazeny 77+15+170+505pulls for The Doctor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I used to love it and buy merch and stuff but after some time I got sick of it. I do think the arc gets less interesting afterwards and the authors style of overexplaining certain things are not my cup of tea.

Couldn't care less of the fandom lol

[–]Todorokill THE SIBS ARE HOME 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m kinda glad i consumed it all in isolation because no one i knew had watched it and online communities didn’t appeal to me either so i had a rly chill experience.

[–]aoi_desuArlecchino's believer, pet, tool, living carpet, & prisoner 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Early arc was so great especially the tournament (peak), but the latter arc feels so dragged out and all over the place even to the point i forgot midoriya is main character, i mean, he didn't even show up for so long after he's done with his emo phase lol, also a lot of main antagonist problem is parental issue 💀

[–]gogeta0 Furina animations wait room,help 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why when I read Midoriya I thought you wanted to call him mid and not his name 😭😭😭

[–]NuclearChickenzzstaff of homer im marge 7 points8 points  (0 children)

i really loved it early on but man does it go downhill in my eyes. I sadly gave up on it after a while because I felt like it had lost everything that made me adore it to begin with.

[–]JeanKB 9 points10 points  (3 children)

To be fair the latter arcs are so bad they retroactively ruin the whole story, but the first few arcs are really charming indeed. It's very similar to Naruto in that regard. Both series peak way too early and then it's all downhill from there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have this theory that it’s Shounen Jump’s fault partially. Demon Slayer and Haikyuu both ended at the same time, so BNHA had to carry and they likely pushed the creator to extend it. (They fucked with Bleach too, but I digress.) I think the creator also admitted that one of the movie endings was what he originally had in mind for the ending of the series, and I feel like him having to work toward a different ending all of the sudden shows.

[–]JeanKB -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's Hori that fucked up the pacing. The manga was aimless for 20 volumes, but then he noticed he had to start working towards and ending somehow. So the story just does a 180 and now the villains have an army, there's a war going on out of nowhere, Deku becomes ben10 and all other characters are forgotten.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, a friend told me that MHA went downhill. I don't think I'll be finishing the series, but I'll be enjoying the starting arcs while I can

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love the series (well, I don’t like the direction the manga took but) but I think it’s hit or miss. You either love it or hate it. The fandom having a bad reputation doesn’t help though lol

[–]Synonyms26mains 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Praying circle for Dirge of Sal/Deicide to be released from the beta prison. With so many Harbingers in Fontaine, at least one of them must wield that spear, right??? Hopefully an electro Childe alt too, to complete the maybe NGE Asuka reference lol.

[–]Medical-Definition75 no damage gang 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'd really like to see Enviosity trying to clear this abyss with the OG8 now. He's pulled some impressive feats in the past, but this should not be doable.

[–]benhu12341 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tbh I think it could be clearable but def not 36* lol

[–]madamekathyrn🎩 hat bois secured! || Mi-a protecc squad 🎩 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems upon abyss reset I’m gonna have to dust off my klee to burn these bastards alive lmao.

[–]noctresquewhile u were partying i studied the tcg 4 points5 points  (0 children)

even if wriosfhffhghgjgly ends up banished to standard (dear god i hope he’s not tho), i’m praying he turns out to be good like tighnari so i can actually use him in the abyss and thus have a reason to get shenhe

[–]babyloniangardens -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Hey can someone take a look at this and lmk what build they think would be better for my Ayato por favor? </3


aka either the 4 piece Nymph or the 2 piece Nymph, 2 piece Gladiator

I did it in 2 responses because it said you can post 1 image per comment :"(


[–]JeanKB 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'd go with the 4p nymph's dream. Even if you fail to burst every rotation and thus can't fully stack it, it still should outperform the 2p2p setup.

Also, if you have a sword billet lying around, you should definitely consider crafting Amenoma Kageuchi for Ayato. Even if its base ATK is a lot lower than Aquila's, it has a better substat, and a passive that slightly eases out his energy needs so you won't need that much ER. Plus it looks insanely good on Ayato.

Otherwise, Lion's Roar and Harbinger of Dawn are good alternatives that also outperform Aquila (and Amenoma), although their passives are conditional so their usefulness depends on the rest of the team, and they do nothing to help Ayato's energy needs.

[–]babyloniangardens 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Amenoma / Lion's / Harbinger would be better than Aquila? :O

[–]JeanKB 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Aquila's substat being phys DMG% makes it a very niche weapon. The only character that sort of wants it is Bennett, and only because his buff scales with base ATK. Everyone else is better off with a different sword.

Both Amenoma and Lion's Roar have an ATK% substat so they are very strong choices for Ayato, with Lion's Roar being a great option in taser teams.

As for Harbinger of Dawn, it's a great weapon if you can stay at >90% HP for its crit rate passive, and is specially strong if you have a buffer like Bennett on your team, since then HoD will outperform most of his other alternatives.

[–]babyloniangardens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i just figured the sheer high base attack of Aquila would pull it ahead of the other R1 4 star weapons, despite the phys dmg bonjs

[–]fireforged_ysaving for hexenzirkel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So I was at 73 pity on standard and at 9/12 ice cubes to ascend Aloy. As I start soft pity, I suddenly got really worried that I get a 5* and it finally is Dehya or Keqing, meaning no starglitter for Yae. But who knows, maybe I just get 2 ice cubes and go to sleep?

Nope, 3 ice cubes. I ascend Aloy and get a fate, pull on standard and it isn't even blue.

It's purple and it's Layla constellation. Well, not bad. We continue.

[–]DownpourOfSaltIs my existence magic or a trick? 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Looking at this post from the Star Rail sub has been quite interesting. Basically whether to tell an NPC the truth or a lie to keep him safe. I find the responses quite interesting. Some were imo reasonable responses like “he’s an adult and can make his own decisions” but I felt like there were quite a few more people than I expected who said the truth simply because it was the truth, disregarding the consequences. That seems very dangerous in real life. Because he may go out into space on his own searching for the girl and potentially ending up dead alone in space based of our own choice to tell him the truth. But it was still his decision based on the truth we told him. If the NPC was a real person, and died/disappeared because of your decision to tell him the truth, would you blame yourself for his death/disappearance?

What do you guys think?

Also I know I talk about Umineko a lot on here but this whole “Red Truth” thing along with whether to tell the truth even if it hurts someone very deeply screams Umineko and I was reminded of it the moment I saw the post. But interestingly, I also saw a few people mention that Persona 4 taught them that the hurtful truth was more important than a white lie. This imo brings an interesting topic of how different stories can portray the complete opposite morals depending simply on the context and presentation, with both views feeling completely valid.

[–]flumphgrumpBoba Sword🗡️ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If it were a case where there were truly no action he could take to improve the situation, where the only real options were making him feel bad knowing the truth or not making him feel bad in blissful ignorance, I'd be inclined toward a white lie. But there are lots of things he could do.

Sure, a very risky journey where he could die in space is one of them. But he could also just have a heart to heart with the woman and break up properly in a way that gives them both closure. Or look for ways to stay in touch however they can at a spacial/temporal distance. Or go see a space therapist to work through his grief. Or any number of other things. Basically, the lie is not a white lie. It's actively depriving him of opportunities to make things better.

Aside from that, it's not like you have any personal stake in the situation. Even in the worst case scenario, the only person who faces negative consequences is the guy himself. It's his choice to make and his responsibility to bear if it goes south.

[–]NoForensicID 3 points4 points  (0 children)

An Umineko enjoyer out in the wild! I really have to reread it.

For that quest, I chose to tell the man the truth. I think it's a good idea to be aware of the consequences of telling the truth, and the chance of him dying in space because of it is possible.

But there was another quest on Herta Space Station where you also had the choice to tell either the truth or a lie to an android. If you tell the truth to the android, like the inventor of the android warned, it will self-destruct. I feel that the consequences are more directly in your hands. The android does not decide if she wants to hear the truth or the lie, and in turn, she does not decide if she'll die or not. We do. So I told her the lie. Where as with the quest you were talking about, what he decides to do with the infomation is his own decision afterwards. The truth will not directly hurt him, but, what decisions he makes because of the truth may.

I also based my decision off of what I would want to hear if I were in their place, of course, with knowing that that may not be what everyone else wants to hear. But as the choice of telling the truth or lie has fallen onto me, I guess I'll have to be the one to make that decision. If I were in the NPC's place, I'd like to hear the truth of what really happened to my lover. The decisions I make afterwards is nobody else's fault but mine. But if I were in the android's place, I'd rather not hear the sentence that has the ability to instantly make my head explode, lol

[–]Whap_Reddit 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'm not sure of the context, but I wouldn't hold blame for their choice that got themselves killed. Living in ignorance is worthless.

Ther bitter truth is better than an ideal illusion.

[–]fireforged_ysaving for hexenzirkel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with your first paragraph, no matter what I do, I can't make someone end their life or risk it. It was them who put it on the table in the first place. It's not a situation of me manipulating the person, either.

[–]fireforged_ysaving for hexenzirkel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really don't regard the decisions in the game as if it's real life. In HSR I tell truth to everyone. Irl, well I can't really predict the outcome and the people aren't putting phrases that suggest the possible outcome either. So it's more varied. I can lie because it will be safer or just because it's more convenient for me. I'm not really a fan of... idk... approach to this as if it's a real world moral dilemma? It's an interesting thing to discuss, that's for sure. But some people often start derailing it into "only a heartless person would choose X" and it's really not that deep as long as it's just an option in the game.

[–]silam39- prête à mourir pour Mlle Furina 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I would not blame myself, because what someone else does when they learn the truth is not my fault. If I kept it to myself and the guy hurt himself out of despair or something then I'd feel guilty because I intentionally deceived him and kept the truth.

I think it's important to respect other people enough to tell them the truth, and to be humble enough to accept that other people's decisions are their own. Someone choosing to do or not do something after I provided facts is their own decision, and I'd be taking agency away from them by claiming otherwise.

Assuming the truth is provided unembellished and with context, obviously. This is separate from intentional manipulation.

[–]DownpourOfSaltIs my existence magic or a trick? 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What if that person was a close family member or friend? Would you still not blame yourself? Imo it depends on context and I feel like this decision would heavily change for someone really close to them whether they tell the truth or a lie to keep them safe from harm, especially if that harm was the risk of literal death, knowing they could have prevented that. And I think most people would blame themselves to some degree at least initially if it was someone really close before moving on after a while

[–]silam39- prête à mourir pour Mlle Furina 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That wouldn't change anything. I'm able to be very forgiving to myself when I can logically decide I'm not at fault, and someone being close to me wouldn't change that.

[–]onetrickponySonalittle blonde bitches collector 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I thought reesly guy was with long blonde hair in a tail and glasses what happened (I haven't been paying attention to his leaks in a while). another guy? those leaks back then were fake?

[–]BUSNSThat one annoying Re:Zero fan 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The long blonde hair character is Neuvilitte (no glasses tho)

[–]onetrickponySonalittle blonde bitches collector 0 points1 point  (1 child)

wait that's true how did i mix them up? so i guess they're the rumored 2 tall dudes leakers were talking about back then huh

[–]Cat_Lady_231545 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Should be. The counterpart was said to be pyro, but Wriothesley's outfit screams pyro, so it makes sense that it's him no matter what his vision actually is.

[–]Never_Rated get behind me Furina 10 points11 points  (4 children)

[–]TrapFestival 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's Electro JonTron.

[–]MelonLord125- 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No, but like genuinely, what was this guy about anyway?

[–]Never_Rated get behind me Furina 5 points6 points  (0 children)


If these days we still believe certain sus leaks, imagine in 2021, people would just eat up any leak. But its clear now that someone just created their own 'build-a-character' and people just believed it.

Some people even theorized that was going to be Itto back then 💀

[–]sp00kk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

iirc a random Twitter account "leaked" him back when 2.0 dropped, but it turned out to be fake pretty quickly.

[–]babyloniangardens 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hey can someone take a look at this and lmk what build they think would be better for my Ayato por favor? </3


[–]JeanKB -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It got deleted by the mods, reupload it somewhere else

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

sigh Wasn’t the rumor that Wrizzly is standard and in 4.1? If that’s the case, I might be screwed lol. I should have pulled Dehya when she had a banner and I didn’t, and :9 if they’re going to put him on standard too…then I’ll want to pull him when he has a featured banner or else you know I’ll never get him on my 50/50 lol. But I also want Focalors.

[–]Ilovepickles11212 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I tried on Dehya and failed 😣

Haven’t pulled since but I hope if I lose a 50/50 it’s to her since I’d like a copy. It took me until nahidas first banner to get a single Mona copy and I’ve played since week 1

Standard banner is a prison

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If standard banner is a prison, then it’s fitting for the warden, don’t you think? Ahaha

[–]Refus3Efficient Mehrak simp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Standard banner isn't a prison, it's the void that swallows your favourite characters

Diluc please come home it's been 3 years

[–]Ilovepickles11212 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would be but still… ._.

Hoping to get a char on a 50/50 loss has always resulted in more qiqi and diluc for me

Still no tighnari either 😔

[–]SqaureEgg4.2 Beta When 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah he’s standard so rip

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should have my guarantee saved up by the time we reach Fontaine, so I should have time to save for him and Focalors both (or close to it) if Focalors isn’t until 4.2. I just don’t want to skip him if he’s going to standard since you’re never guaranteed the standard charas. 🥲

[–]Cattryn- Fox Main 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Y’know I just now noticed that HoYo basically never gives us surveys on the Abyss. I guess they can use clear data to show who has success vs not but still.

Because yeah… the permafreeze lectors? Damn. I’m about to try burgeon Xiangling because Thoma just isn’t enough pyro to break the cryo shields.

[–]blackcoffin90 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If I'm not mistaken, they now ask feedbacks from CBT players on how hard/easy F12 is and they make changes according to that.

[–]Cattryn- Fox Main 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Interesting. I wonder if they make an effort to get a mix of whales and f2p for beta testing then.

[–]blackcoffin90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hard to say as it's random.

[–]TheYango 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’m about to try burgeon Xiangling because Thoma just isn’t enough pyro to break the cryo shields.

I think people viewing second half as "Burgeon" is leading them to play less good teams on it. The second side doesn't want Burgeon--it isn't asking you to do AoE transformative Dendro damage (which is what Burgeon does). It's asking for Hydro/Dendro/Pyro.

The reason that's not the same is that your team core doesn't have to be a Burgeon team--you can run 3 character team cores with a hanging 4th character purely there to break shields, because the DPS check is not that demanding on the non-shield portions so you can afford to use a 3 character team on those portions with the 4th character purely there to break shields. True Burgeon teams are actually less good than National+Dendro or Hyperbloom+Pyro at breaking shields because Burgeon Pyro appliers deliberately don't want to apply Pyro quickly to avoid triggering Burning. For this Abyss it's more important to just apply Pyro quickly to break shields. You can just use your 3-character core to kill normal health bars.

Nahida/Xiangling/Bennett/Xingqiu isn't "Xiangling Burgeon", it's 3-character National with Nahida as a flex shieldbreaker (which is why people are calling it Nahida National).

[–]Cattryn- Fox Main 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You make valid points, but in my specific case, I still don’t have a properly built National team. My XL is usually on a 2pc Emblem/2pc ATK build because I’ve given up on 4pc Emblem. That domain still gives me the shittiest artifacts. So Xiangling on a team for me is just there to apply pyro. She can do more damage with a Gilded build than her “normal” artifacts and she’s only lvl 80.

Didn’t end up working anyway. Even with Fav she didn’t have enough ER. I had to switch to good old Hu Tao and still only got 33 stars. I’m trying to decide if it’s worth more hours of my life for the last 3.

[–]Dense-Extreme5515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the 2.X era there were questions about Abyss in the Feedbacks,nowadays they don't even bother.

[–]Mart-n 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, that is probably the way to do it. In terms of pure health, the second half isn't that bad. It's just a hyper specific element check of hydro, pyro, and dendro.

[–]Cattryn- Fox Main 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I ended up going Hu Tao/XQ/XL/ZL. Zhongli hard-carried my team because they wouldn’t survive the heralds otherwise.

[–]fazb3arsfrightharbingers, where art thou? 7 points8 points  (0 children)

man what is even going on in fontaine

there will be 3 harbingers and 1 former harbinger, there's a whole underground prison and a NAVY, one of the main topics will be environmental pollution, focalors is pretty much insane, and it's FRANCE, so there most definitely will be at least an attempt at a revolution

the 2nd half of genshin's story is promising a lot

(why is reddit's spoiler tagging so difficult

[–]Shadow_ClawContingency Contract! 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Once again I mysteriously have the most trouble with the Whopperflower floor in Abyss. Getting to second half only to discover I somehow only have a minute left on the clock. Darn bouncy little shits.

At least Yoi burgeon performed admirably on the other chambers.

[–]Whap_Reddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I could see those giving Yoimiya trouble. I make them all teleport onto each other and use any AOE ability to kill them all at once. Even Hu Tao's meager AOE is enough for that.

Still dumb how the fireworks specialist doesn't even have a tiny AOE on her fireworks.

[–]Ebonslayer Time for... RETRIBURGEON 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What was your Yoi Burgeon team, how well did it work?

[–]Shadow_ClawContingency Contract! 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simple Yoi/Yelan/Nahida/Zhongli purely for the boss rooms. Works well enough but I have a strong 1st half (except against Whopperflowers grrrr)

[–]Crashman126 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Using Raiden, Lisa, DMC, and Kazuha feels nice in first half.

Just have to get used to playing second half with hu tao, xingqiu, nahida, and Zhongli. Though I am leaning towards Thoma for easier pyro application and more off field damage.

In any event, 36 starring does feel great despite finding the floor super annoying.

[–]Chaos_Lov3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Completed the abyss today https://imgur.com/a/xsnJPmo

[–]Kreguar 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Who are the rumored anemo characters?

[–]StellarMonarchinsane focalors cultist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lynette, 4star.

[–]Medical-Definition75 no damage gang 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Last abyss was awful, but this... wow. I'm impressed. Forget 36 stars, I couldn't manage to get 33.

Who said melt Ganyu was good against the Baptist? You can get a single shot in between his first two shields and setting up a pyro aura eats most of his downed time after killing the pyro shield. Part of that is my high ping making switching characters more troublesome than it should be, but it'd be an unpleasant experience nevertheless. I might retry with trusty old National later, but getting through 12-1 again isn't going to be fun.

[–]TrapFestival 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Out of curiosity, what Bow is on Ganyu?

Also if you're doing Classic Melt, deploy Fanastic Voyage and Pyronado shortly before cracking his Pyro shield, rather than after. The downed state doesn't exceed the duration of those Bursts so losing some time on them doesn't matter.

You might also stand to benefit from dropping the shielder for Barbara or Kokomi if she's around since Baptist's attack uptime is so poor if you can respond to everything properly. It'll make going though 12-1B and 12-2B clumsy, but it should pay out provided you don't get anyone downed since you can heal so there's not a significant risk of ending up there with everyone in the red.

Note that I haven't actually tried dropping shield for Hydro, I just went Unga Bunga and smashed through with Diona in the shield. In any case, especially in light of ping definitely make sure to deploy Bursts right before cracking the Pyro shield, not once it's already down.

[–]Medical-Definition75 no damage gang 1 point2 points  (1 child)


I'm running Kazuha because swirling is useful in 12-1-2, but swirling cryo on the Baptist isn't possible when setting up Kaz's Q early, so it's not a great team for that chamber.

[–]TrapFestival 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I went with Xiangling. I'd also recommend throwing Ganyu's Burst at the head of the Pyro Shield to help with chipping it if you aren't already, especially since Hamayumi's not involved it's a case where you might as well.

[–]stegosaury 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i originally tried melt and it beat my ass too. finally tried burgeon per some recommendations for second half and that actually made it quite easy for me after repeatedly getting wrecked with my other teams. idk if you’ve done that yet but that got me 36* since having pyro + dendro on second half was helpful (specifically i did national first half and hu tao burgeon second half)

[–]Medical-Definition75 no damage gang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, Just went with Beidou/Fischl/Sucrose/Baizhu and Ganyu/Kazuha/Zhongli/Bennett. Was aiming for 33 stars from the start, so I focused on survivability to avoid a lot of retries. And then 12-3 nailed my ass to the wall.

Thanks for the tip, I'll keep it in mind.

[–]stainNecrolytebloom bloom bakudan 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I 36* this abyss...but at what cost?! 236 retries, 4 different teams to clear chamber by chamber and a lot of ragequits. To put some context, weanut took 102 retries so this is the worst by far

[–]ngeorge98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're a better person than me

[–]Ilovepickles11212 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s some impressive mental fortitude to have that many goes at it

[–]Wistful_Moon Neuvillette mermaid arc when 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I admire your impressive dedication

[–]Stripey_PossumGM to everyone but especially hydro men 2 points3 points  (2 children)

unrelated, mentions of Banana Fish and Oshi No Ko (no real spoilers, just some alluding, but Ill tag it just in case)

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY hell today has been,,,, a day for sure. For context I have not watched any anime since last summer when I watched like 10 episodes of Evangelion and then was never able to continue it due to a lack of motivation, even though I did find the story interesting. Since then I've been stuck in this horrible limbo of wanting to watch shows, but not having the physical capability to look it up and actually start watching iykwim. Well I felt somehow strangely motivated today and I watched 5 episodes of BF and Oshi No Ko's pilot

(BF) My friend has been nagging me for like actual years now to watch it because it made them cry a few times, but again I was in a burnout so I couldn't get to it. And actually the only reason I started watching it was because even though I was more interested in Oshi No Ko, but I promised my friend I'd watch BF first when I got out of my slump. It was honestly pretty alright, but definitely not something I would've picked up on my own bc the story didn't interest me at all. It still doesn't really, but it's alright enough. The music absolutely slaps though and the action is well animated, so that's fun. It just has a tad more guns and weirdly horny old guys than I'd prefer. Well if it gets too bad/triggering at any point I'll just stop watching I guess

(Oshi No Ko) Man I thought this show would be a good pickup to watch alongside BF because "some lighthearted idol stuff would be good to wash down the aftertaste of the heavier topics in BF"..... well let's just say that I ended up finding this story way more interesting than BF even though I've only watched the pilot. The setup to get to the real plot was a bit weird but I figured I just haven't watched enough anime to get used to the occasional questionableness lol. Definitely looking forward to the following episodes.

Honestly I'm really happy I could seemingly break out of my burnout now, since I'm gonna have more free time than I know what to do with soon. Now I can finally get to watching through my watchlist (watch me get into another burnout within a month from now lmao)

[–]AhCup-I keep misspelling Dehya as Deyha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbh watching Oshi No Ko as blind as you do got the best effect. I read the manga a year ago, so I shouldn't be surprised by the plot. Somehow this show still hit really hard in anime format. The voice acting it really adding the enjoyment to the show. Anyone catch up with the latest you will agree as well. I basically go re-watch the last part again and again because it's so satisfying

[–]silam39- prête à mourir pour Mlle Furina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

watching Oshi no Ko for a nice happy pick me up is a very unfortunate choice lmao. The series really is very very good, once you get past the weird setup

[–]Ebonslayer Time for... RETRIBURGEON 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Where do you think the entrance to Fontaine will be? I vaguely remember finding a gate near Stormterror's lair that could be a path to it.

[–]StellarMonarchinsane focalors cultist 6 points7 points  (3 children)

we sort of already know but it's not where you'd expect. looks like we'll be getting there through the desert

[–]Ebonslayer Time for... RETRIBURGEON 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It almost looks like we'd get there through the Gate of Everlasting Mourning, but that place reeks of Khaenri'ah so it can't be that.

Edit: I wonder if someone's overlayed our new, current map onto that.

[–]StellarMonarchinsane focalors cultist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you want an overlay I might go and do one later tonight and post it here. I have some image editing software but I'm a noob.

[–]Mart-n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, very confusing since there's presumably a realistic pathway for people to travel between Fontaine and Sumeru city, as opposed to going through the "barely habited" 3.6 desert region.

[–]slimefestivalHe who looks down on all that are naughty *bonk* 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This comic about Alhaitham's parents and baby Haitham 🥲🥲🥲

[–]fireforged_ysaving for hexenzirkel 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Fic tags

Written after 3.2 update

Written before 3.3 update

Pretty impressive to write 26k in 5 hours /s

[–]SpringxBreeze 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I'm honestly going to be really sad once Genshin is over. This game gives me so much peace. Every other day I just stand in a spot for a while to admire the scenery and listen to the soundtrack. I have so many fond memories of Genshin already. I just genuinely, wholeheartedly adore this game. The characters, the views, the soundtrack, the stories about friendship, the tragic stories, they've all become dear to me

[–]APerson567iBased Character Enjoyer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well' if it makes you feel better, they will almost definitely make a companion game, like HSR is to HI3 once Genshin finishes

[–]SpringxBreeze 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if they do and I'm glad about it! I'm still going to miss the memories, characters and views dearly but I make sure to always take huge loads of photos so I can remember my experiences, adventures, thoughts, feelings and fun :>

[–]ificommentthen2oopsliving in the emblem domain 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Wrinstonchurchill low key looks like an edgy Shampoo from HSR

[–]CerothesiaAlbedo is real 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Glad to finally see more Weasel leaks!

[–]Vally_Ria khaenri'ah enthusiast 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Wonder what's up with "Captain R" and her many designs. Does she still not have a final design? Does she have an above-average amount of concept designs (at least 20 according to SYP) or does it just seem that way because we normally don't get to see character concept arts?

[–]StellarMonarchinsane focalors cultist 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Seems to me like we've been getting leaks of a character that's just very very early in development

[–]Vally_Ria khaenri'ah enthusiast 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, doesn't seem like she's gonna be in the Fontaine Archon quest for now

[–]KazuhatPhysical Enthusiast 0 points1 point  (2 children)

TIL you can't get Xiphos from the character banner. I was hoping to snipe one while pulling for Kazuha.

[–]Seamerlin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Event exclusives only show up when they are rate up

You can’t get xiphos from weapon or standard either, only xiphos rate up weapon banners

[–]KazuhatPhysical Enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah that sucks. I hope they run it again soon.

[–]ificommentthen2oopsliving in the emblem domain 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Genshin powerscalers are funny because they will spend 5 hours comparing Zhongli and Ei's feats and then say "well Venti lies a lot so he's probably the strongest"

[–]Whap_Reddit 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Powerscale debates rarely make sense. Because power is more than raw strength.

Which is more powerful? An ancient dragon or a stealthy rogue with dragon killing poison?

A body builder or a skinny material artist?

[–]silam39- prête à mourir pour Mlle Furina 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's always funny to me when the powerscalers dismiss Nahida because she's weak, despite her controlling Irminsul

[–]gutemorningcertified shizun fucker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I remember there was once a post on main sub talking about how nahida is the strongest of all of them because mind reading is scary but they also ended up glorified her too much and forgetting that the other three also has some of her abilities (like shape shifting) and she is definitely has a lot to learn about. The powerscaling archon was always stupid discussion tho because power can be literally anything and these people often dismissing the fact that zhongli and ei has other ability outside of fighting

[–]ificommentthen2oopsliving in the emblem domain 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah powerscaling is dumb, and Genshin doesn't really care about it at all in its storytelling other than obvious stuff like archons > everyone else at the moment (besides maybe the top harbingers?), but it's something that always gets a lot of attention.

[–]JeanKB -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To be fair it's still funny to discuss certain things, like how all harbingers shown so far are jobbers. How can you take them seriously when Signora is a pile of ashes and Cheld is out there jobbing to ruin guards?

[–]Stripey_PossumGM to everyone but especially hydro men 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Neuvilette and Wriothesley, except their personalities are the opposite of these guys'. I just think that would be funny

[–]babyloniangardens 1 point2 points  (18 children)

What abilities / kit do yall hope Wriothesley has? ^.^

[–]noctresquewhile u were partying i studied the tcg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

melt dps PLEASE

for once i am completely ok with a male character being an on-field main dps, but ONLY for this

[–]Medical-Definition75 no damage gang 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Cryo Dehya.

I jest, but a cryo Dehya would be useful for freeze teams. Now that I think about it, any Dehya would be better than pyro Dehya (except, perhaps, for geo Dehya).

[–]FragrantScratch3184 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Albedo is basically Geo Dehya

[–]Medical-Definition75 no damage gang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, plus the damage, the AoE, the buffs, the cheap burst, the decent uptime and minus the risk of dying off-field.

Pyro Albedo would be amazing, actually. Think about him as a Ganyu support.

[–]Ebonslayer Time for... RETRIBURGEON 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Even Geo Dehya would be better, since Crystallize is still better than the rest of her kit at defense.

[–]Medical-Definition75 no damage gang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also she could run 4AP and pick up the crystals whenever you needed an elemental buff.

[–]Shadow_Tempest_1003Cocolia and Signora did nothing wrong 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Anything that's not as bad as dehya I guess. Though a melt focused 5 star would be nice since Ayaka is mostly used for freeze and ganyu isn't as good anymore.

[–]babyloniangardens -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i love ur flair #stan cocolia and signora

[–]ificommentthen2oopsliving in the emblem domain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If he's standard then IDK. I have Ganyu and will probably get Ayaka at some point so I don't need an on field DPS who would probably be weaker. I have Shenhe so idk how another cryo support would work for my teams. Sub DPS would be nice I guess

[–]babyloniangardens 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I would like a Cryo Yelan or a Cryo Venti

a Cryo Sub DPS would be godlyyyy

5 Star Cryo Xiangling/Kuki would also be good too. just something that has strong Cryo damage / application

[–]Ebonslayer Time for... RETRIBURGEON 0 points1 point  (1 child)

a Cryo Sub DPS would be godlyyyy

Everyone forgets about Kaeya. :(

[–]babyloniangardens -1 points0 points  (0 children)

for my characters, i dont find Kaeya’s abilities all that useful :/

(ayato / scara / keqing)

im sure he’s good with others tho!

[–]Tiaojia0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On field dps. I'm not a fan of either ganyu or ayaka so I'm in the market for an on field cryo dps to have an actually decent freeze team.

[–]Stripey_PossumGM to everyone but especially hydro men 1 point2 points  (0 children)

honestly if he really has to be cryo I'd want him to be either

  1. Reverse melt dps (but like one that was actually designed for it)
  2. Forward melt enabler (he'd kinda have to be cryo Xiangling for this to work but whatever it takes man)
  3. Hyperfridge compatible (decent enough off field cryo application, preferably not stationary)

I just don't like freeze tbh. Plus we have Ayaka for a freeze oriented cryo dps, and Ganyu who can do both pretty decently, so I'd like to see a reverse melt specialist too.

[–]Todorokill THE SIBS ARE HOME 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Subdps/support. Please. Just not another selfish on field dps that doesn’t work with the other guys. I want to improve my teams not make new ones with the same supports just surrounding a new dps ;-;

[–]OofjayStaff of Thoma 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes please, I have so many main DPS's already.

[–]APerson567iBased Character Enjoyer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There's going to be 2 5-stars in 4.1 according to the leaks, and 1 of the 2 will be a Standard Character, of course people will speculate that Wriothesley is Standard

and while he could be Standard, literally nothing is confirmed yet

We only got to know of Dehya and Tighnari being added to Standard like 1 week before their respective version livestreams, with Dehya being actually confirmed the day of the Livestream

So leakers are probably just guessing and have nothing concrete yet, I don't think there's a particular need to despair yet

[–]Ebonslayer Time for... RETRIBURGEON 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The sub is just rebooting to its new version doomposting mode, no need to worry.

[–]BrilliantAbroad458 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Battles to 36* the Abyss last cycle: 17.

Battles to 36* the Abyss this cycle: 57.

Lord forgive me, I promised to be happy with 33* but I just can't.

[–]Yesburgers...never to see the light of Dehya... 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This one seems easier in that once you have it figured out, you can redo it without retries for next time. But for me, 3.6 was harder because due to high ping, even though I knew what I wanted to do, I still kept dying on the 2and and 3rd cycle repeats.

[–]TrapFestival 11 points12 points  (3 children)

"Genshin has no power creep." is a lie.

It's not just the player characters that are getting it.

[–]BrilliantAbroad458 3 points4 points  (2 children)

My hat's off to those who can max stars this bs without Nahida. These recent Abysses are testaments to how your accounts need to have a bunch of different characters built.

[–]ngeorge98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This Abyss made me really glad that I decided to suck it up and pull for Nahida during her rerun. She really held it down for me to beat the second side.

[–]TrapFestival 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So far Hu Tao/Xingqiu/Zhongli/Yelan and Ganyu/Bennett/Diona/Xiangling continue to be able to eventually overturn anything the Abyss can be bothered to throw at me.

With Yae Miko having RUINED EVERYTHING, if 4.0 does present a 4* Path so that I can devote no more than 4800 Primogems to claim a single copy of a 4* character then I might make it a side project to actually do C6 Hu Tao since the "All Or Nothing" rule means that just doing C1 is unacceptable. Then C6 Ganyu would probably fall after that because buffing her side would probably be more important than buffing Hu Tao's side even more with C6 Yelan instead.

[–]TrapFestival 3 points4 points  (0 children)


Doesn't Wriothesley kind of passingly look like that Electro JonTron from way back when?

[–]CaelVK Ei did nothing wrong 13 points14 points  (1 child)

hoping mummy girl is our desert geo character that uses sand abilities

[–]SqaureEgg4.2 Beta When -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Basic animations incoming

[–]Peinzius 12 points13 points  (0 children)

just fell to my knees in wriothesley

[–]Kiwi195Certified Archon hater 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Well what happend to that theory of you can't see the back the character is unplayable? I mean wriothesley has a long Cape behind there's no way we can see his back

[–]Heart_Shaped_Beelyney. (very normal) 6 points7 points  (0 children)

itto exists and his back is like a curtain, they can still tack something onto his cape for dynamic movement

[–]Mart-n 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I feel like that only existed to retroactively explain Signora's situation after it came out that she wasn't listed as playable in the game files. I don't know where else that would even apply?

[–]babyloniangardens 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i agree i always felt like it was a kinda silly explanation

i believe people said something similar about Scara becoming playable back when he had his OG veil

[–]sp8der 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So it's 3.8 with no new characters and then 4.0, as far as we know? Where does the mummy girl fit in and what rarity is she, if known?

[–]Cat_Lady_231545 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just speculation, but I figure that she'd pop up like mika or kirara. Some 4.x patch will take us to sumeru for a main patch event (which are generally festivals) and she'd be introduced at that point.

If this is the case, I'd assume 4.3 or later since I'd imagine thru 4.2 is going to be fully focused on fontaine.

[–]APerson567iBased Character Enjoyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We had a leak saying there was a female Deshret Geo Bow character, so it could be her

[–]Mart-n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't think we know either, yet.

[–]Tiaojia0 8 points9 points  (4 children)

First it was just wriomborghini rumored to be standard, now its neuvstradamus being rumored to be a 4 star. Hoyo not letting me catch a break fr, I better go pass the fuck out before someone leaks alleged geo blondie not geo and a standard and arlecchino d-wording

[–]missvioletsI survived the 3.5 update 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's no way in hell Neuvilette is a 4 star. Like no way. Literally impossible.

[–]slimefestivalHe who looks down on all that are naughty *bonk* 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I don't remember anyone actually saying the blonde lady is rumored to be Geo?

[–]Tiaojia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Source: my heart I'm a geo main please be gentle

[–]deeddiClorinde's little pogchamp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's based on her fit being yellow but i'm hoping for hydro claymore because of those blue gems she has on her collar thing

[–]WeeziMonkey 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I haven't played Genshin in a while because I feel like there's not enough content to use your favorite characters in. Which makes me so sad to see some of these super cool leaks of characters that I'd love to main. But what fucking content do I "main" them in? Pacman? Brick Breaker? Waverider minigames? Hide and seek? The 2 hours of abyss per month? Bosses that will waste my time by being invulnerable half the fight? The overworld where a single Kazuha E instantly kills everything? These characters feel so wasted in Genshin.

[–]Tyberius115Manifesting T0 5S tier Focalors 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm still praying that they add another world level or another form of combat related endgame, because I'm feeling this too. It's to the point where I just wanna pull for the hydro archon and then take a long break until things change.

[–]Ebonslayer Time for... RETRIBURGEON 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I intentionally use pretty shit artifacts in overworld so it remains interesting and I can use bursts against enemy groups. The only things I really build are ER, HP and crit rate if the character uses Fav.

[–]Mart-n 10 points11 points  (0 children)

New abyss is pretty painful, so if you've got some goofy favs, it may take multiple hours this time :)

One day they'll add a new endgame mode... for sure...